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2012 Hyundai Accent Replacement "Verna"?

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  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    backy, I agree I (hate) the 3 bullet cluster instrument panel on the 2012 Kia Rio which they seem now to be embracing along much of their product line (Forte) included. That inexplainable (hole in the dash) to the right of the radio drives me crazy as well. I do like all the content upgrades that Hyundai (does not) offer on its Accent and I prefer the looks of the Rio5 Hatchback`s rear end much better then the Accent`s "Fiesta" style vertical tail lights. Guess it comes down to if you can live with a basically stripped down 2012 Accent or instead a 2012 Rio with a unattractive instrument panel and dashboard. I (do) like the European style toggle switches that control some of the HVAC functions and the leather boot assembly for the automatic transmission shift lever too. Those Projector headlights along with the LED Daytime running lights and LED Tail Lights are unheard of in this class of vehicle too.
  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    Just a minor correction...the base Accent hatch has body colored door handles and mirrors, as well as power windows and remote keyless with alarm. If you get the automatic, it also includes standard cruise. Only the sedan comes in the ultra cheap version. The hatch GS model is by far the best deal of the 2012 Accents. I do wish they would offer standard 15" tires (like the Rio), or at least 185 width 14 inchers instead of the 175 width.

    That being said, I'm torn between whether I would choose the Rio5 or the Accent. I prefer the Rio5's exterior styling ( It looks like a mini GTI, especially from the rear!), although the Accent looks good too, except for the funky looking taillights. But the Accent's interior looks more upscale and I prefer the blue/white interior illumination Hyundai uses over the red/white illumination that Kia uses. The available power sunroof on the Rio is also very tempting. Strange that Hyundai doesn't offer that!
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited May 2011
    I was one of 30 people that participated last night, Tues May 17 with a Live Chat with John Krafick CEO of Hyundai Motors America. Everyone was throwing him soft balls and being cheerleaders. When I kept asking why the new Accent was so severely "decontented" compared to the new 2012 Kia Rio, he either did not respond and when he did, his only explanation was he could only comment on Hyundai as if he knew nothing about what Kia was doing being a "sibling" company to the parent corporation being Hyundai. I agree with your preference of the Accents more luxurious interior and blue/white instrument panel lighting over the red/white Rio`s, (like Pontiac used for years, very harsh on the eyes), but the LED DRL`s and tail lights, projector head lights, rear view camera monitor, power moon roof, leather interior option, turn signal indicators in exterior mirrors, 17`` Alloy wheels, etc. make the new 2012 Kia Rio my choice. Peter Schreyer former Audi head stylist did a remarkable job with this new B-segment vehicle. For whatever small shortcomings (I) can find, the pluses far out way any negatives. I think Hyundai is aiming its new 2012 Accent for the older AARP demographics with a "who shrunk the Sonata" crowd that wants 40 mpg and the new Kia Rio is being marketed to a younger and more sophisticated group who demand more upscale content and are willing to pay for it.
  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    I agree that the Rio is targeting younger buyers, but I think all the content is going to make the Rio too expensive. If the younger set wants something sporty, it would make more sense to get the new Veloster or even the Forte Koupe once you start getting into the 18-20k range. Personally, I feel the rear view monitor is nothing more than a gimmick. It's not needed at all on a small hatchback like the Rio. The sad thing is they will probably group together this useless frivolous feature with more important stuff in a package, thus forcing you to pay a lot for technology you don't want. The projector headlights are nice, as are the LED running lights, which give it an Audi look. I do wish the standard alloy wheels were 16", not 17", on the SX. The 17" look nice but tires are too expensive and the ride might be too harsh. 16" wheels are a nice compromise. They should make the 17" wheels an option.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I agree, I would prefer the 16`` tires to the 17`` due to major extra cost of replacement, but I`d rather eat that extra cost once every 30K miles then live with the standard 14`` tires that the Accent comes with. Can anyone spell Flintstone Car? The rear view monitor will be mandatory standard equipment within a few years mandated by the NHTSA. If your looking for value, once you reach $17, 500. for a 2012 Hyundai GLS Sedan or LE/SE Hatchback with what Hyundai considers the "loaded package", your better off with the Elantra with almost the same equipment, same mpg and MUCH better resale value. I`d rather spend and extra $1000. and get the upgrade options like Power Moonroof, maybe Leather, etc thats available in the Kia Rio or Rio5 then settle for a much more base trim on the Accent and save $1000. I`ll enjoy the extras during my ownership and I`m sure it will be worth a few extra dollars in residual value 5 years down the road.
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    edited May 2011
    I'm always thinking about my next car as soon as I get my last car! My 93 Honda Del Sol Si will probably swapped out for something more practical for a 60+ guy in the next year or two - something just as much fun & economical but more comfortable, better visablity & more cargo room. For several years I was sure a Honda Fit or Nissan Versa would replace it. Now I find these new Korean twins & the Ford Fiesta hatch intriging & will likely add them to my list.

    However, two things I have trouble understanding: :confuse:
    1. Why can't the folks at Ford & in Korea can design a nice looking hatch with rear quarter & hatch windows that don't taper down to low rider appearance & visabilty? Those small windows just kill visibility & almost make a back up camera mandatory for a slight stiff old timer like me. Then I suppose they aren't designing these hatches for old timers, but I think I see more grey hairs driving Fits & other hatches than 20 somethings.

    2. Also hard for me to understand is why -with two decades to improve engine technology - these new econo cars don't get significantly better gas mileage than an 18 year old Honda. I have had several Honda 1.6 L cars than consistently got 30 mpg city & 38-40 hiway w ATs.

    Finally I second the comments on 17" wheels when 15-16" would be just fine for econocars. The larger ones may marginally improve handling but have three negative effects: Heavier & increased fuel consumption, harsher ride & higher replacement costs.

    Subaru is a great example with their new Outback. Increased space, comfort & mpg without serious compromises to the practical things such as visablity & overall performance. At least that is why I got one!
    :shades:
    Maybe it is time to change my call name to "Grumpy Old Man" :sick:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    edited May 2011
    How much did that 18-year-old Honda weigh (and how crash-resistant was it), how big was it, and how much power did it have?

    All the safety regs and the need to haul around our ever-enlarged butts (in the US) have their cost.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Grumpy, I`m with you. I just turned 66 and (I) purchased a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE hatchback last July an love it! It certainly was not styled and designed for (my) demographics but I love it none the less. I pre-ordered it last Mar. 10`` and took the $595. cash credit instead of the radio SYNC upgrade and got the Power MoonRoof for only an extra $100. I don`t twitter/tweet, upload/download, bluetooth,MP3, and I already have enough (sinks) in my house. The Fiesta gets great fuel economy 34-35 mg city and 41-43 mpg highway. My aging 2006 Kia Rio5 Hatchback is due for replacement and I`ve decided on the 2012 Kia Rio5, will be It. It is available with that rearview camera monitor you mentioned that by the way will be mandatory equipment here in the USA within a few years. The new 2012 Hyundai Accent does (not) have that as an option. I`ve been real happy with my Kia Rio5 for the past 6 years and have no hesitation about purchasing another Kia product this Fall when they finally arrive. Also want the Power Moonroof option which again, the new Accent does not offer. I agree, new generation 1.6 liter engines (should get better then 35 mpg city and 40 mpg highway but until the government mandates better fuel economy, it is still better then most other vehicles available for under 20K.
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    Backy: The Del Sol weights 2420 lbs, had 1.6 L engine w 125 HP & 106 ft/lb torque. 0-60 - variously reported as 8.8 seconds to 9.8. 92 Si Hatch was almost identical.

    In comparison, the current Honda Fit base weights 2604, has 1.5 L engine w 117 HP & 106 torque. 0-60 variously reported at 9.6 - 11 seconds.

    For 18 yrs difference engine numbers very similar, performance & EPA are not signficantly different.

    When it comes to comfort & crashworthiness, surely the current models are superior to those of 18 yrs ago. But I still am puzzled why with 18 yrs of advancement in aerodynamics, engines, transmissions, & materials... a care that only weighs 200-300 lbs more doesn't show greater improvements ii the MPG (or performance.

    Interestingly when you compare the improvements in comfort, performance & economy of midsize cars, they seem to have faired better than the economy & compact cars.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,682
    edited May 2011
    also along with the 2012 Kia Rio hatchback offering the backup camera do a little searching over at the 2012 Ford Focus informational website. They are offering the backup camera in some new Focus models but not all. It is paired with some other premium items in some of the packages Ford puts together for that new European-inspired compact car from them.

    I would like to know more about the 2012 Kia Rio hatchback and sedan, particularly the Rio hatchback. That car looks awesome.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Since you Posted that you just purchased 2 (new) tires for your aging vehicle and will not be in the market for a new Kia Rio5 for a few years, what ever information you get on the soon to arrive Kia will not be pertinent in a couple of years when new features and options will be available. Unless of course you just like to look and enjoy "kicking tires" as so many folks do. The new 2012 Ford Focus only offers certain premium features with top end models like Titanium along with a bunch of packages that soon bring the price of the Focus to the upper range of $27,000. Way too much IMO for a Compact Hatchback that wears a Ford emblem thats not electric or Hybrid.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Those that are old enough to remember the cars of the mid fifties and sixties that had exhaust pipes and mufflers rust out in a year or less especially with dual exhaust vehicles, it was (planned) to require almost yearly replacement. A huge industry was built on that, remember Midas, Mineike, Monroe, now they are Brake and Full Service Repair Centers where before they just did Mufflers and Tail Pipes. Car manufacturers miraculously found stainless steel for mufflers and exhaust pipes and now they last the life of the vehicle. Until public pressure or the EPA puts pressure on the Industry to greatly increase fuel economy, It will not happen on its own. Big Oil and Big Auto are in bed with each other and their Lobby is too strong to expect that (they) will bring about that change without pressure from the outside.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    The 2012 Accent weighs in at about 2650 pounds with the AT and has 138 hp. Heavier than the Del Sol, 10% more power, yet 25% better fuel economy (EPA 24/32 for the 1997 Del Sol with AT vs. 30/40 for the 2012 Accent).

    I think 10% more power with 25% better fuel economy in a much roomier, safer, and more comfortable car is "significant".

    Maybe one reason midsized cars seem to have improved more in economy than economy cars is that today, economy/compact cars are the size of mid-sized cars from 18 years ago! Plus there was weight to be cut in mid-sized cars. Harder to cut weight while retaining safety on the small cars.

    You want better fuel economy compared to 18 years ago? How about the Prius? But that's using technology not available 18 years ago. The basic technology of non-hybrid powertrains hasn't changed that much in 18 years. Some evolutions, yes, like more cogs in the ATs, CVVT and GDI engines, but not totally new technology ala hybrids.
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    Yup, the up & coming Accent sounds good on paper. Will be interesting to see how real mpg compares to EPA. The Del Sol in real life gets 29 -30 city & 38-40 highway with a light foot. Accent will probably do even better with same driver's foot.

    Obviously the hybrids represent a true advancement in technology & fuel economy. But one has to drive relatively high miles to come out ahead in the $ department.

    Test drove a Versa & Fit today. Both good cars I prefer the Fit, but I have trouble pulling the trigger & still enjoy the Del Sol. So I may sit it out for a while - perhaps long enough to take the Korean twins for a spin. I best stop bellyaching - we all know the good ol' days even if we are only talking 12-20 yrs ago were not really quite what we imagine them to be. ;)
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    backy, Nothing personal and nothing against Hyundai, I`ve owned a 06` Sonata and currently own a 06` Kia Rio5. But for Hyundai to be bragging on its new 2012 Accent that will get an estimated 40 mpg highway fuel economy while its larger, more luxurious Elantra with a larger 1.8 liter engine gets the same EPA fuel rating...huh, did I miss something? Only a $1000. price difference to go from a Accent GLS Sedan to a Elantra with the same equipment? Hows that for a no-brainer when the Elantra will bring back much more trade in value in the future. Face it, Hyundai dropped a bomb with its "decontented" new 2012 Accent. GDI and 6 speed automatic transmission is all well and good but with almost no upgradeable options, and both purchase price and fuel economy almost identical to its larger compact offering, the Elantra I don`t see all the excitement and interest. I was very much looking forward to replacing my 06` Kia Rio5 with the new Accent and now for me, its a No Sale!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    But for Hyundai to be bragging on its new 2012 Accent that will get an estimated 40 mpg highway fuel economy while its larger, more luxurious Elantra with a larger 1.8 liter engine gets the same EPA fuel rating...huh, did I miss something?

    No. See my post #45. I agree with you... it's odd that the Accent doesn't get hardly any better FE than the larger, more powerful Elantra. But OTOH, the Accent (and Rio) do match other small cars in the same class, e.g. the Fiesta SFE--and that car requires an extra-cost package to get 40 mpg.

    But one thing I don't understand... how can you complain about the FE of the Accent just a few posts after talking about how much you love the Rio, which I think has the same FE numbers despite having the same powertrains as the Accent PLUS the idle-stop feature? Wouldn't you think the Rio would have better FE numbers than the Accent?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    backy: First, as an owner of a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback that I purchased in July of 10` with 8K miles driven, I get 34-35 mpg city and 41-42 mpg highway (without) the extra cost SFE Package. Ford decided just before Launch to (add) all the SFE features (except) the special low resistance tires, on the entire line of Fiesta vehicles making the purchase of the SFE option quite unnecessary. The Ford Fiesta EPA FE ratings are over 10% (lower) then what most Fiesta owners actually achieve. When have you seen that lately? Great Job FORD! Secondly, I agree the sibling twin of the Hyundai Accent the new 2012 Kia Rio5 will probably also get lower FE numbers then it should. I believe since Kia will offer "ISG" Idle,Stop,Go Technology on its Rio, it will get better gas mileage then the Hyundai Accent. It just does not make sense to assume that adding ISG will not improve gas mileage then a similar vehicle without it. The main reason I will end up with the Kia Rio over the Hyundai Accent will (not) be an extra 2 mpg fuel savings but the much more expanded options content that the Kia Rio will have available and the Hyundai Accent will (not).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    The Ford Fiesta EPA FE ratings are over 10% (lower) then what most Fiesta owners actually achieve. When have you seen that lately?

    On every car I drive. Except it's often more like 15%.

    In other words... if you get much better than EPA ratings on the Fiesta, odds are you'll get much better than EPA ratings on the Rio (or Accent).
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Thats is certainly News to me. Every new Car I`ve purchased in the past 30 years and there have been quite a few, (never), I repeat Never achieved the EPA sticker Fuel Economy estimates. They were always culled using Dynamometer devices that (over) estimated MPG that one got in real driving situations. My Fiesta was a refreshing surprise that it actually exceeded the EPA ratings. Most new car buyers are disappointed to find that their new vehicles never come close to the posted estimates that were on the MSRP sticker. Even more amazing is that I`ve achieved this excellent FE here in South Florida in heavy traffic be it city or highway and with the A/C always engaged due to the year around hot climate. All that in a fully equipped vehicle (loaded) and selling for under 18K! Who needs to spend 25K on a Hybrid?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Just want to Post and make perfectly clear that I do not and never have been Employed or Worked for Ford Motor Co in any capacity whatsoever. Just a happy consumer that really enjoys his Ford Fiesta. Equally happy with both Hyundai and Kia products in the past as well, and plan on putting a new 2012 Kia Rio5 in my driveway as soon as their launched too!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    That is good to hear! So I might get 50+ mpg on a Fiesta, in more moderate driving and weather conditions... intriguing. Too bad the rear seat is much tighter than I'd want in a car.

    So I have no idea whatsoever why you would be even remotely interested in a Rio, let alone a "stripped" Accent. :confuse: Why not just buy another Fiesta if you need two cars of that size?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited May 2011
    Actually, considering that the Fiesta is a Sub-Compact /B-Segment vehicle, the rear seat room is not all that bad. As long as the front seat passengers are not over 6` tall and put the seat back all the way, there is adequate room for 2 average size adults in the rear seat. I decided against the 2012 Ford Focus for the same reason I did not want another Fiesta. Who wants either 2 identical or similar twins sitting next to each other in ones garage? Both the exterior and interior of the new Focus is too much the same. I`m attracted to the new 2012 Kia Rio5 because of my good experience with my current 06` Rio5 and the 5 year 60K bumper to bumper warranty as well as the upscale options content and its attractiveness. The new Hyundai Accent is just too (utility) for me.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    As long as the front seat passengers are not over 6` tall and put the seat back all the way, there is adequate room for 2 average size adults in the rear seat.
    If the average-sized adults are contortionists or masochists, yes. I tried out the rear seat room of the Fiesta and it's really, really cramped when sitting "behind myself." And I'm only 5'9-1/2". I think average-sized adults (which I am) would find it intolerable except for a quick trip in town. Which might be just fine for many buyers who only use the front seats and never need to haul adults or teens in back for any distance. That just not me, however. I am curious to see how the new Accent compares. I found the rear accomodations of the old Accent to be tolerable, but certainly not a car I'd want to ride in for any length of time in back. Roomier than the Fiesta though. But the new Accent is bigger than the old one, so I'll have to see if it's roomy enough. If not, I can "move up" to a compact car like the Elantra with a roomy back seat and still excellent FE.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I`m with you on the upgrade to the vastly more spacious Elantra compared to either the Ford Fiesta or the Hyundai Accent/Kia Rio but since I enjoy the practicality of having the mini-wagon Hatchback design to haul bicycles etc, I will forgo the extra rear passenger seat room for the storage configuration. Just my wife, myself and 2 Golden Retriever`s that usually go for a ride and an occasional guest that may join us for a trip to a local restaurant. Again, it is what it is, a Sub-Compact B-Segment vehicle. Parking and getting through the narrow streets of Key West, FL makes a smaller size vehicle one less headache to deal with. It was never designed for Soccer Mom`s as a substitute for a Mini-Van.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    At least one dealer in my area claims to have 2012 Accents, and my closest dealer said they'd be getting some "in a few days". I also see Fitzmall claims to have some in stock. So I was wondering if anyone has taken a test drive yet, or has purchased a 2012 Accent?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    I checked out a 2012 Accent GLS sedan at my local dealership today. It's the only 2012 Accent they have. A base model with AT, no options, $16.2k list price. Black with tan interior. I did not drive it because I won't be buying anything until next year at least and did not want to waste the salesman's time. But he opened it up for me so I could sit in it.

    First impressions were that it is a very good looking car in person, better than in photos. Especially from the 3/4 rear view. Front is OK but not exceptional. Very much in tune with Hyundai's "fluidic sculpture" theme, but not as weird as the new Elantra. The plastic wheel covers were good enough looking that I wouldn't be forced to upgrade to alloys.

    But the interior was even more impressive. It seems very roomy, as much so as some compacts such as Focus, Mazda3, and Cruze. The light tan interior probably helped provide an airy feel. (Although I am wondering about how easy it would be to keep the light tan fabric and headliner clean.) This was the base car without the optional interior trim upgrades, but I thought it looked very good anyway--a huge improvement over the old Accent and IMO the nicest interior in the class (although I haven't sat in the new Rio yet). All the plastics looked high quality (although surfaces were hard), the controls including the HVAC knobs were smooth, and the fabric seemed durable.

    The driving position was comfortable for me even though there's no telescopic steering column. There's a fold-down armrest that is more practical for right arm support than a center console, although of course you lose the extra storage (upgraded interior has a center console with sliding armrest). Headroom was good (I'm 5'-9-1/2").

    The real story on this car though is the back seat. With the driver's seat adjusted comfortably for me, there was as much or more legroom in back than in some compacts e.g. Cruze, Focus, Mazda3. There was plenty of knee space, with about 3" from knees to seatback, and there was just barely adequate foot room for my size 10 feet under the front seat. My ankles ran out of room first, but my thighs had adequate if not great support. It would be just fine for a few hours, or for smaller folks it I think would be quite comfy for all day trips. Head room was good, better than in the Elantra. Unfortunately, Hyundai deleted the rear center armrest that was in the old Accent.

    The trunk seemed very roomy for such a small car. Like the new Elantra and other new small cars, there's no spare tire--just sealant and a pump. The trunk has conventional hinges, but the upside of that is the lid pops up for easy lifting when you lift the inside release lever.

    I'll have to drive the car for a final verdict, but the fact it has a nicely designed interior with adequate rear seat room for adults or teens lets me keep the car on my short list. I'd have to get the upgrade package with remote locking and cruise control though. That puts the car within $1500 of a comparably-equipped Elantra.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited June 2011
    Thanks for the Posting on your first impression of that Base model Hyundai Accent. I was ready to settle for a 2012 Elantra GLS with Preferred Convenience Package which includes Alloy Wheels and Fog Lights plus Mats for MSRP of $18,900. (but) my next car will have GDI and unfortunately the 1.8 L Nu Engine Hyundai is using is multi-port F.I. instead of GDI. Guess its going to be a long Hot summer waiting for late Oct. when the 2012 Kia Rio5 finally arrives. Oh well, glad there is no urgency on my part and I can wait it out. I do prefer the looks of the Alloy wheels naturally over the Steelies until you damage one and have to pay to replace it. My issue is (not) so much with a half way decent looking wheel cover, its just why did they have to use a 14`` rim? Kia is going to use 15`` in its Base model Rio. Amazing how just moving up one tire size gives the vehicle a much different stance. I`d like to ask a serious question about how that Base model Accent looked with those, (you know) door handles and mirrors? The Accent GLS Sedan, White with beige interior looks even nicer then the Elantra, IMO with the Alloy`s and Fog Lights, but I won`t consider it because I want a Power Moonroof which is not available for US but curiously is Standard Equipment on Canadian Accents with Preferred Equipment Convenience Package. Wait a second, I answered my own question on the door handle / mirror issue. You did say the Accent you saw was Black exterior with Tan interior. Well, I guess if you order that exterior color, They Match! LOL
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    edited June 2011
    The 14" tires are cheaper to replace and probably give a smoother ride. But the Accent I'd get with cruise and remote locking has 16" alloys.

    I don't know why you keep saying the Accent has black handles and mirrors. It doesn't. Here's the base sedan:

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  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited June 2011
    I don`t know where you pulled that Photo from, but unless Hyundai made a last minute change of content, both their Media Postings as well as the HMA Web site indicates that (all) Base model GLS Sedans have Black exterior door handles and mirrors regardless of what Exterior color is ordered! Check it out. Only the LE and SE Hatchbacks have color matching door handles and mirrors. No problem as long as you order Black! On the matter of tire replacement cost they we both have discussed in earlier Posts, True, when you get up to 17`` tire sizes, the price explodes! The difference between a similar ratio 185/75/14 and either a 15`` or even 16`` rim, the bump in price is at the very most a few extra dollars per tire. Not even worthy of consideration, IMO. The difference is ride comfort between a 14`` through 16`` tire would be unrecognizable.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    Every photo of a base sedan I've seen on the Web has body color door handles. The press release from the New York auto show does say "bodycolor door handles" for the GLS sedan premium package, but no mention at all on mirror color anywhere on the sedan. The GS does say "bodycolor mirrors and door handles". It's possible the photos on the Web are from the Canadian version, and maybe those get bodycolor door handles. I bet that change will be made pretty quick for US models if it hasn't already--how much can it cost to paint the door handles??

    Anyway, if I got an Accent I'd get either the GLS sedan with premium package or the GS hatch, so I'm covered in color either way. :)
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