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2012 Hyundai Accent Replacement "Verna"?

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    That is good to hear! So I might get 50+ mpg on a Fiesta, in more moderate driving and weather conditions... intriguing. Too bad the rear seat is much tighter than I'd want in a car.

    So I have no idea whatsoever why you would be even remotely interested in a Rio, let alone a "stripped" Accent. :confuse: Why not just buy another Fiesta if you need two cars of that size?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited May 2011
    Actually, considering that the Fiesta is a Sub-Compact /B-Segment vehicle, the rear seat room is not all that bad. As long as the front seat passengers are not over 6` tall and put the seat back all the way, there is adequate room for 2 average size adults in the rear seat. I decided against the 2012 Ford Focus for the same reason I did not want another Fiesta. Who wants either 2 identical or similar twins sitting next to each other in ones garage? Both the exterior and interior of the new Focus is too much the same. I`m attracted to the new 2012 Kia Rio5 because of my good experience with my current 06` Rio5 and the 5 year 60K bumper to bumper warranty as well as the upscale options content and its attractiveness. The new Hyundai Accent is just too (utility) for me.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    As long as the front seat passengers are not over 6` tall and put the seat back all the way, there is adequate room for 2 average size adults in the rear seat.
    If the average-sized adults are contortionists or masochists, yes. I tried out the rear seat room of the Fiesta and it's really, really cramped when sitting "behind myself." And I'm only 5'9-1/2". I think average-sized adults (which I am) would find it intolerable except for a quick trip in town. Which might be just fine for many buyers who only use the front seats and never need to haul adults or teens in back for any distance. That just not me, however. I am curious to see how the new Accent compares. I found the rear accomodations of the old Accent to be tolerable, but certainly not a car I'd want to ride in for any length of time in back. Roomier than the Fiesta though. But the new Accent is bigger than the old one, so I'll have to see if it's roomy enough. If not, I can "move up" to a compact car like the Elantra with a roomy back seat and still excellent FE.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I`m with you on the upgrade to the vastly more spacious Elantra compared to either the Ford Fiesta or the Hyundai Accent/Kia Rio but since I enjoy the practicality of having the mini-wagon Hatchback design to haul bicycles etc, I will forgo the extra rear passenger seat room for the storage configuration. Just my wife, myself and 2 Golden Retriever`s that usually go for a ride and an occasional guest that may join us for a trip to a local restaurant. Again, it is what it is, a Sub-Compact B-Segment vehicle. Parking and getting through the narrow streets of Key West, FL makes a smaller size vehicle one less headache to deal with. It was never designed for Soccer Mom`s as a substitute for a Mini-Van.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    At least one dealer in my area claims to have 2012 Accents, and my closest dealer said they'd be getting some "in a few days". I also see Fitzmall claims to have some in stock. So I was wondering if anyone has taken a test drive yet, or has purchased a 2012 Accent?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    I checked out a 2012 Accent GLS sedan at my local dealership today. It's the only 2012 Accent they have. A base model with AT, no options, $16.2k list price. Black with tan interior. I did not drive it because I won't be buying anything until next year at least and did not want to waste the salesman's time. But he opened it up for me so I could sit in it.

    First impressions were that it is a very good looking car in person, better than in photos. Especially from the 3/4 rear view. Front is OK but not exceptional. Very much in tune with Hyundai's "fluidic sculpture" theme, but not as weird as the new Elantra. The plastic wheel covers were good enough looking that I wouldn't be forced to upgrade to alloys.

    But the interior was even more impressive. It seems very roomy, as much so as some compacts such as Focus, Mazda3, and Cruze. The light tan interior probably helped provide an airy feel. (Although I am wondering about how easy it would be to keep the light tan fabric and headliner clean.) This was the base car without the optional interior trim upgrades, but I thought it looked very good anyway--a huge improvement over the old Accent and IMO the nicest interior in the class (although I haven't sat in the new Rio yet). All the plastics looked high quality (although surfaces were hard), the controls including the HVAC knobs were smooth, and the fabric seemed durable.

    The driving position was comfortable for me even though there's no telescopic steering column. There's a fold-down armrest that is more practical for right arm support than a center console, although of course you lose the extra storage (upgraded interior has a center console with sliding armrest). Headroom was good (I'm 5'-9-1/2").

    The real story on this car though is the back seat. With the driver's seat adjusted comfortably for me, there was as much or more legroom in back than in some compacts e.g. Cruze, Focus, Mazda3. There was plenty of knee space, with about 3" from knees to seatback, and there was just barely adequate foot room for my size 10 feet under the front seat. My ankles ran out of room first, but my thighs had adequate if not great support. It would be just fine for a few hours, or for smaller folks it I think would be quite comfy for all day trips. Head room was good, better than in the Elantra. Unfortunately, Hyundai deleted the rear center armrest that was in the old Accent.

    The trunk seemed very roomy for such a small car. Like the new Elantra and other new small cars, there's no spare tire--just sealant and a pump. The trunk has conventional hinges, but the upside of that is the lid pops up for easy lifting when you lift the inside release lever.

    I'll have to drive the car for a final verdict, but the fact it has a nicely designed interior with adequate rear seat room for adults or teens lets me keep the car on my short list. I'd have to get the upgrade package with remote locking and cruise control though. That puts the car within $1500 of a comparably-equipped Elantra.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited June 2011
    Thanks for the Posting on your first impression of that Base model Hyundai Accent. I was ready to settle for a 2012 Elantra GLS with Preferred Convenience Package which includes Alloy Wheels and Fog Lights plus Mats for MSRP of $18,900. (but) my next car will have GDI and unfortunately the 1.8 L Nu Engine Hyundai is using is multi-port F.I. instead of GDI. Guess its going to be a long Hot summer waiting for late Oct. when the 2012 Kia Rio5 finally arrives. Oh well, glad there is no urgency on my part and I can wait it out. I do prefer the looks of the Alloy wheels naturally over the Steelies until you damage one and have to pay to replace it. My issue is (not) so much with a half way decent looking wheel cover, its just why did they have to use a 14`` rim? Kia is going to use 15`` in its Base model Rio. Amazing how just moving up one tire size gives the vehicle a much different stance. I`d like to ask a serious question about how that Base model Accent looked with those, (you know) door handles and mirrors? The Accent GLS Sedan, White with beige interior looks even nicer then the Elantra, IMO with the Alloy`s and Fog Lights, but I won`t consider it because I want a Power Moonroof which is not available for US but curiously is Standard Equipment on Canadian Accents with Preferred Equipment Convenience Package. Wait a second, I answered my own question on the door handle / mirror issue. You did say the Accent you saw was Black exterior with Tan interior. Well, I guess if you order that exterior color, They Match! LOL
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    edited June 2011
    The 14" tires are cheaper to replace and probably give a smoother ride. But the Accent I'd get with cruise and remote locking has 16" alloys.

    I don't know why you keep saying the Accent has black handles and mirrors. It doesn't. Here's the base sedan:

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  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited June 2011
    I don`t know where you pulled that Photo from, but unless Hyundai made a last minute change of content, both their Media Postings as well as the HMA Web site indicates that (all) Base model GLS Sedans have Black exterior door handles and mirrors regardless of what Exterior color is ordered! Check it out. Only the LE and SE Hatchbacks have color matching door handles and mirrors. No problem as long as you order Black! On the matter of tire replacement cost they we both have discussed in earlier Posts, True, when you get up to 17`` tire sizes, the price explodes! The difference between a similar ratio 185/75/14 and either a 15`` or even 16`` rim, the bump in price is at the very most a few extra dollars per tire. Not even worthy of consideration, IMO. The difference is ride comfort between a 14`` through 16`` tire would be unrecognizable.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    Every photo of a base sedan I've seen on the Web has body color door handles. The press release from the New York auto show does say "bodycolor door handles" for the GLS sedan premium package, but no mention at all on mirror color anywhere on the sedan. The GS does say "bodycolor mirrors and door handles". It's possible the photos on the Web are from the Canadian version, and maybe those get bodycolor door handles. I bet that change will be made pretty quick for US models if it hasn't already--how much can it cost to paint the door handles??

    Anyway, if I got an Accent I'd get either the GLS sedan with premium package or the GS hatch, so I'm covered in color either way. :)
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    backy, Just an update on the 2012 Accent GLS Base Model Sedan. I went over yesterday to a local Hyundai Dealership where they had 8 new Accents, all GLS Sedans, no Hatchbacks. Some of the GLS Sedans were Base Models and the others had the upgraded Preferred Comfort/Convenience Packages. I`m right! The regular Base GLS Sedans have BLACK painted exterior door handles and mirrors. Looks like a matte black primer. It looks soooooooooo (nice),LOL! Have to admit that the Accent GLS Sedan (with) the upgraded Trim Package did look sharp. The ones in White, Boston Red, and Dark Metallic Brown all with Beige/Tan interiors looked great. I asked the salesman why the new 2012 Accent (did not) have as a safety feature the Daytime Running Lights, DRL`s like both the Sonata`a and Elantra`s have, he said...huh? When questioned about the lack of standard Power Moonroof and exterior mirror directional indicators as the Canadian models have, he responded; "Say what"? Like I posted earlier, the 2012 Elantra GLS Sedan that was sitting next to the 2012 Accent GLS Sedan, both equipped with the identical options and trim, Alloy Wheels, Fog Lights, etc. Elantra had a MSRP of $18,995 vs the Accent at $17, 495. The only thing missing on the Elantra was the GDI engine, a deal breaker for me. Other then that, I can`t fathom why anyone it their right mind would not opt for the Elantra for a mere $1,500 more and get the same 40 MPG fuel economy as the Accent. I`m waiting for the leaves to Fall and along with them, the 2012 Kia Rio5.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    edited June 2011
    For me it will come down to the actual sales price when it's time to buy. If buyers flock to the Elantra, that could mean bigger discounts on the Accent relative to the Elantra. It also depends on how the Accent drives of course. If there's a big difference in ride quality, that would be enough to get me to go to something like the Elantra... or a slightly used car like a Golf, which would be about the same price two years from now as a discounted GS hatch. FE not as good, but superior in all other respects. Of course, the Accent is available as a hatch and the Elantra is not, at least not in the same form as the sedan. But two years from now, the new Elantra hatch will probably be out.

    GS stick with mats, MSRP only $15,450. Has everything I'd need except cruise. Which I could probably live without... but I'd rather not.

    Then there's the Rio...

    I do like the brown color, assuming it's the same as on the Elantra. Very sharp with the tan interior on that car.
  • windgracewindgrace Posts: 83
    A little backstory: I'm almost 21 and I'm a college student. I'm looking at buying a car and I have about $15k saved and my mom will pitch in whatever I need.

    I've been looking at used car lots at dealerships for about 2 months and the price of used cars is insane right now! I could get an Accord with 100k+ miles for like $15k at a nearby Honda dealership!

    So I started looking at cheap entry level cars. I come from a family that's bought Japanese automaker cars for quite some time. Good reliability with Hondas and Subarus...been *really* disappointed with Toyotas.

    But the 2012 Accent is really appealing. Great warranty, list of standard features, fuel economy, styling and the price is right. My mom is iffy on buying a Hyundai, but she understands the appeal.

    Everything I've read seems to be raving about every new car Hyundai comes out with. I want to know how people (consumers, not just the press behind Edmunds/KBB/Inside Line, etc) feel about Hyundai, the warranty, and the long-term reliability of the car?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Go ahead and pull the trigger. I`ve owned 2 and both have been great cars. 2006 Hyundai Sonata and 2006 Kia Rio5 Hatchback. Excellent fuel economy and superior quality fit and finish coupled with the best and longest warranty in the industry. Slightly lower resale values then other makes, but thats more then made up for by initial lower purchase price. Personally, I would opt for the upcoming Kia Rio5 Hatchback over the Hyundai Accent but if your looking for a Base model Sedan (without) lots of options, I`m sure you will be more then satisfied with the new 2012 Hyundai Accent.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,341
    I'd also look at the H Elantra Touring. While not a sexy car, it is incredibly functional and will help you transport your stuff back and forth to college. I'm also waiting for the H Sonata Wagon to come our way. Should H Execs decide not to send it here, I'll get a second HET.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Well, obviously you don`t have a limited time table to make your decision since your all over the Map on this one. The Elantra Touring Hatchback is being replaced in a year or so with a newer more modern edition. No talk about a US Hyundai Sonata Wagon that I`m aware of. If practicality is what your looking for, the new 2012 Hyundai Accent Hatchback with its rear seat folded down will take care of that without any problem. Appears that your just browsing and looking while "kicking tires". With no urgency, you can wait it out for a few years and see what happens.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,341
    edited June 2011
    No for sure. Being rushed into buying a car is the worst mistake people make over and over again. I always know what my next car will be before I need one. Puts me in the driver's seat when negotiating from strength rather than desperation. As for the H ET, the current model is much taller and longer than what is coming down the pike. I can do without modern for the sake of maximum head and leg room for rear passengers, which is something that is lacking in the current Elantra sedan, and will be lacking in the 2012 ET as a result of the sloping rear roof line and loss of total overall length. As for the Accent, that is waaaay too small in interior size to transport 4 adults. And by the way, the Sonata Wagon is reality. It is sold all over the world. Now it is just a matter of it coming to the USA. H executives want it here, and I sure hope they get their way.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited June 2011
    First, there (is) a time element involved with making a decision on purchasing a new vehicle either based on "need" or the fact that since new models evolve, (for better or worse) delaying a decision too long may make the vehicle no longer available at all, at least, not New. Secondly, just because Europe has certain model vehicles and engine combinations, or for that matter, any other Foreign market, Most of the time, they do not appear in the same Form here in North America, and usually don`t get brought over here at all.. Hyundai and Kia in particular have lots of vehicles they sell all over the Globe but do not and (will not) market them here for lots of reasons. Safety requirements and pollution controls among them. There is a significant difference even between models and trim between Canadian vs US vehicles and we are both sharing North America, forget about the rest of the World. And finally, your comment about what HMA or Hyundai executives want here they get, well they got it, all right. The (entire) world got a much better equipped 2012 Accent then we got here in the USA, so I guess, thats what they wanted, right? And finally, I hate to burst your (bubble) on being able to negotiate a better deal (without) the sense of desperation, I assure you with over 40 years in the Car Business, there is one "trueism", How do you know you got a Good deal on a New Car Purchase? Simple, If you bought it, you got "F____d". Its just the way it goes, sorry.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    It appears due to all the recent bashing of the stupid Black Painted Exterior Mirrors that first appeared on the 2012 Hyundai Accent Base Model GLS Sedan that HMA,( Hyundai Motors America )has decided to equip their entry level vehicles with painted exterior mirrors that (match) the cars exterior paint color. I noticed a few Black mirrored GLS Sedans and now at another Dealership, all the Base Models have exterior mirrors that are color matched to the vehicle. Now f they have a few drops of paint left over they might finish the mistake by doing the exterior door handles as well.
  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    I took my car in to get an oil change and they had 2 2012 Accent GLS sedans on the lot, one with the auto and one with the manual. I decided to take a test drive of both and see how much of an improvement Hyundai made. Well folks, let me tell you, the 1.6 GDI and new 6 speed trannys are everything Hyundai described and than some. I was thoroughly impressed with the power. Whereas in my 2010 the car seems to drag with the AC on, particularly with the auto, the new car doesn't seem to be affected by it. The Accent now steps off smartly from a dead stop with only light throttle. The engine feels like its a 1.8 or 2.0. My friend in the back seat, who has driven my car, even commented on how much faster this car felt. I did notice that the torque curve is a lot flatter. On my 2010, you can feel a sudden urgency kick in around 4500 rppms as the CVVT switches over, but I didn't feel that on the GDI. It just had a steady strong surge of torque. The engine is also leaps and bounds quieter than the MC. It's about half as quiet when first turning over the starter and a good bit quieter when accelerating. I thought the MC was pretty quiet for the class but it sounds like a loud buzzy tin can after driving the GDI. The engine is also a lot smoother. The GDI is a gem!!

    I was also extremely impressed with Hyundai's homegrown 6 speed automatic. Folks, this tranny is superb! You can't even feel the shifts. You only see the rpms change and the digital display change numbers (very cool how you always know what gear you are in). Shiftronic is now standard so you have way more control over what gear the tranny is in. And if past Hyundais are any guide, the Shiftronic will hold the gear to redline until you manually shift it. I only drove the car up to about 50 mph but the tranny did not try to shift fast all the way up to overdrive like our current 4 speed. There was no discernible power difference between the auto and manual. In fact, the auto felt a little quicker to me. The only thing I didn't like was the gated shifter. It looks a little higher class but the zig zag pattern to change from R to D isn't as quick as a simple straight line shifter.

    The manual tranny's shifter was just as good as the one in the Elantra. No more notchiness. Reverse was easy to engage. 6th gear is a little harder to get into but I'm sure it's something you get used to over time. I never drove an MC manual, but this shifter is light years ahead of the LC's shifter. The clutch, on the other hand, was way too soft. You can't really feel the engagement point. Also, when accelerating hard, there is a dead spot when shifting from 1st to 2nd as the engine cuts gas for emissions reasons. It makes the 1-2 shift less than smooth and you loose some acceleration. I think it was for this reason that the automatic felt faster. I also noticed a good bit of squat when accelerating hard. It sort of reminded me of the land yachts of yore.

    Two other dynamic differences from the MC. The 4 wheel disc brakes are a huge improvement in brake pedal feel and braking power. The pedal is much firmer and is almost too touchy. I'm used to the mushy pedal feel in my MC. Brakes felt strong and smooth. If this is what the 4 wheel discs felt like on the 06-07 Accents, the rest of us have really been missing out. I really think rear discs are a worthwhile upgrade to later MCs! The electric steering, on the other hand, was the biggest disappointment of the car. It felt very wooden and effort was way too high. It felt like it didn't want to be turned. And there was absolutely no feel coming through the rim. I much prefer the hydraulic steering in my MC!

    As for the rest of the car, I noticed a lot of small changes, some good, some not so good. The hood release latch is now integrated into the bottom of the lower dash, which looks cleaner. The hood prop rod is still attached to the hood. The engine appears to be more compact as you can easily put your arm behind the engine now. Alternator has moved up to where the former power steering pump was, nice and easy to replace. The intake is now on the very front of the engine, with the filter located where the battery used to be. I'm not sure if a SRI would fit as well though. The gauges are always lit now, which could lead to people leaving their lights off at night. The trip computer is very cool, giving you miles to empty and avg mpg. There were vanity mirrors but no lights, a step backward from my car. The most puzzling feature lacking was a power door lock button. There simply isn't one, not even on the driver's door. Not sure how you operate the door locks from inside the car. I would miss having this button. The cloth door inserts were a nice addition although it was a very rough feeling fabric. Back seat room was decent, however, the floor ramps upward as it goes under the front seats, which means I can no longer stick my sneakers completely under the seat. This could cause a problem comfort wise for long limbed guys. I loved the pump handle for the height adjustment on the drivers seat, very VW. The seats are shaped different and I'm not sure whether they are as comfortable since I didn't spend much time adjusting them. The stereo operates exactly the same, it's just shaped different. Last but not least, the 175/70R14 tires are way too small and really cheapen the look of the car.

    All in all, the new Accent is a homerun and I'm seriously considering upgrading in 6 months or so. Power is definitely strong enough to make the Veloster a very tempting sporty hatch.
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