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2012 Hyundai Accent Replacement "Verna"?

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  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    carfreak09, thanks for your very thorough impression of the 2012 Hyundia Accent. I assume since you did mention the 14`` tires, it was a Base Model GLS Sedan. I don`t think many dealers have received the Hatchback Accent`s yet. I too was both pleased by some of the vehicles attributes but I must say, I found more negatives. Styling, looks, fit and finish, performance and quietness were (all) positives. Like you mentioned, the tiny standard 14`` wheels and cover`s was a downer along with the black exterior door handles. They decided I guess at the last moment to paint the black exterior mirrors to match the vehicles exterior color paint. I did`nt notice that there was (no) interior door lock/release switch, what`s that all about? I miss the Power Moonroof option which is offered as standard equipment on Canadian GLS Accents with the upgraded trim. Canadian Accents get the spare tire and jack instead of the mini air compressor and tire puncture sealant canister. For those that care, (myself included) Hyundai deleted the DRL`s on the new 2012 Accent while maintaining them on their new 2011 and 2012 Sonata`s and Elantra`s. All in all, I think the new Accent is a huge improvement over the outgoing model (but) it could and (should) have been much better. We will have to wait and see if the new Hyundai Accent`s shortcomings are addressed and improved upon when its sibling, the 2012 Kia Rio and Rio5 Hatchback are launched this fall. According to most of the Media material Kia has leaked so far, it looks like they just might bring home the Gold!
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    Nice review, carfreak09. I appreciate it since I am considering purchasing one. When the 2011 Sonata came out, I was impressed with the overall design, powertrain, feature set and value. But I felt it was on large side. Then I got wind of the new 2011 Elantra and felt that it was perfect for replacing my aging 2006 Civic 4 door. But then I heard that a new and improved Accent with GDI was coming so again I decided to wait. I guess patience is a virtue because based on a few a couple of pre-reviews (yours, Michael Karesh's, and AccentPlanets), the reviewers seem pretty impressed with the dynamics (closer to the Elantra Touring's), power, quietness, engine sound, and comfort. I am interested in the 5 door SE model which will be sportier tuned.

    Phil1, while I too am disappointed that Hyundai did not include some of the things that will be in the Kia Rio, I feel that I can upgrade later when those features become available thanks to Hyundai's Guaranteed Trade-In Value Program .
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    At least 2 Hyundai dealers here in Southern California just received the 2012 5 door Accents according to the inventory information posted on their web sites. Each dealer received 4 and they are base GS variety. So they are starting to dribble in. Can't wait to test drive one.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Great, can't wait to see/drive one of those. If I like how the GS stick drives, that could do it for me for not much $$. I'd miss the cruise, but I'd only use it 2-3 times a year.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    hcalcat, I think if your in the market for a Hyundai Sedan, and your considering either the new 2012 Accent or the Elantra, the Elantra IMO is a much better value. You get a similar looking vehicle, slightly larger, 1.8 L engine compared to the 1.6 L engine in the Accent, both vehicles GLS Sedans with the identical preferred convenience upgrade package, ae" alloy wheels, fog lights, etc. has a price difference of only $1500. Elantra MSRP of $18,900. and Accent at MSRP of $17,400. For that mere $1500. you get much more car but more importantly, a huge increase in future residual trade in value. The Elantra is projected to return much more value then the smaller Sub-Compact B Segment Accent. That small difference in purchase price up front will more then be recouped down the road. The only difference and negative against the Elantra versus the Accent is the lack of GDI, (but) they both have the same EPA milage ratings, go figure that? Unless you want the Accent Hatchback version, I think the value and looks belongs to the 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS Sedan.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    phill1. I agree that from a purely spec, feature set, and value prospective, the Elantra has the edge over the Accent. But from a "seat of the pants" driver's perspective, I am hearing that "Accent>Elantra". Reviewers are saying the new Accent is actually "fun" to drive and I put a higher value on that. Of course I need to test drive one to see how that "fun" translates. I think the GDI and suspension tuning makes all the difference. I prefer the versatility and cargo space of the Accent hatchback for my Home Depot runs. If it becomes the top dog in the tough B-segment, I have a feeling its resale value will also be very good and should be no worse than a Honda Fit (which is very good, I owned one). I also thought about getting the new Rio with its rich feature set but I don't want to wait any longer plus I feel those additional upgrades (moonroof, leather, 17" wheels, back-up camera, keyless ignition, etc) will not come free or they may have to cut corners elsewhere. The mark-up on B-segment cars is relatively low so there isn't much wiggle room to make a profit.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    link title

    You can get a nice feel for what the 2012 Accent is like from this video. Specifically:

    1. Good acceleration
    2. Relatively Quiet
    3. Good Suspension Damping
    4. Good handling taking corners / turns
    5. Stable over bumps in the road
    6. Nice exhaust note (non-obtrusive)
    7. Engine only tach's 2K at 60 mph

    So far, so good. SE's are supposed to have an even "sportier" tuned suspension. Car is starting to grow on me
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I currently own a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE hatchback that I`m very happy with since last July. I am also in the market to replace my aging 2006 Kia Rio5 Hatchback that I have almost 70K driven and has been an excellent vehicle but its time for replacement. I`m as anxious as you but I have no choice but to wait till the Fall and the arrival of the new 2012 Kia Rio5 Hatchback. Comparing the looks of the upcoming Rio5 Hatchback and the Accent Hatchback alone, is worth the wait. All the additional available content plus not having a similar Fiesta rear hatch does it for me. Sure, all those upgraded options will add somewhat to the MSRP but, you can pick and choose (ala carte). At least one will have the (choice). Projector headlights, LED DRL`s and Tail Lights, Power Moonroof, etc (all) those items not available on the 2012 Accent Sedan or Hatchback. I personally need more then just utility. If the 2012 Kia Rio5 Hatchback does`nt do it for me, there will be a new 2012 Hyundai Elantra in my driveway soon after. I too enjoy the practicality of the Hatchback design over the Sedan, but (if) I end up settling for a Sedan, it will definitely be the Elantra for me. Initial cost plus Fuel Economy, and projected higher residual trade in values between the Elantra and the Accent make that call an easy one for me. Maybe wearing shorts year round gives me a slightly different perspective then you get from the "seat of the pants".
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    My current mix of cars are a 2008 Mazda MX-5 (Miata) PRHT, a 2007 Honda CRV, and the 2006 Honda Civic. The only car that I might consider to replace the MX-5 is the upcoming Veloster. It has the same 1.6L GDI engine as the 2012 Accent/Rio so it should be spunky enough and a turbo version is lurking down the road. But that's another story. My first priority is to replace my wife's aging Civic and right now we am leaning towards the Accent. If we buy it and then if for some reason she doesn't like it, I can always sell my CRV and get her the upcoming new 2012 Subaru Impreza. I would take over the Accent and after 2 years, I have the option of trading it in for some other Hyundai, possibly the Veloster. I think in the next 3 years, we will see a multitude of improvements to cars because of CAFE and safety mandates and technology and competition so many of today's cars may seem somewhat dated by then. Some examples of the future options are found in the 2012 Kia Rio, e.g., new GDI engine, start/stop at idle, rear camera, side mirror repeaters, ESC, LED DRL's, smart-phone integration, Blue-Link, Graceland, etc. All of this additional stuff (and complexity), of course, will come with a higher price tag and reliability risk so it is good to look for cars that come with good warranties and guaranteed trade-in values ;-).
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I agree with you totally. I hate most technology and find its proper place is in both medicine and defense. I have probably one of the very few early production Ford Fiesta`a that I ordered early Mar and took delivery this past July that was special ordered (without) the SYNC technology and upgraded million watt radio. I instead took the cash credit of $595 which was offered and put it towards the Power Moonroof which ended up costing me a mere extra $100. I don`t plan on purchasing a fully equipped 2012 Kia Rio Hatchback but (I) want to be able to have the opportunity to have the choice of options which unfortunately Hyundai in the US chose not to offer. LED DRL`s and Tail Lights won`t be a problem, Rear Camera Monitor won`t be either. Speaking of which, will be mandatory equipment in all US vehicles in a couple of years. Blue-link, smart phone, ISG (idle-stop-go) I`ll pass on too. Just thought, for that matter, I`ve never had a leak or mechanical problem with a factory installed Power Moonroof either. If you pull the trigger on the Accent Hatchback, best of luck. Guess I`ll have to be patient and wait till fall when the new Kia Rio drops too.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    Here are a couple first drive reports from Autoblog and Motortrend

    First Drive - Autoblog

    First Drive - Motortrend
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626
    As my daughter and I were going shopping yesterday, we passed the Hyundai store and commented on how there were no new Elantra's or Accent's in the back area where they usually park them. Pull into the supermarket and there's a new black Accent! Looked very nice even though it had the bolt on wheel covers. Prefer the Elantra more but can see the wife in either one of them...eventually. Also, the 3s lost it's a/c for the 3rd time yesterday but like the other times, it came back on after she played with the dials. With just over 91k on the odo, I think it's trying to tell us something actually. We still want to get to 100k but not sure if we'll make it as the tires are looking a bit worn with almost 4ok on them.

    This is really a bad time to buy a car too, which I keep telling her. Might be worth it to just replace the two most worn tires & fix the a/c when it goes out. But it'll be her decision on when to buy.

    The Sandman :confuse: :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    First Drive - Autoweek

    They seem to like it ("what's not to like"). Big difference in 0-60 mph estimate from Motortrend.

    Autoweek: 9.0 sec (est)
    Motortrend: 10.5 sec (est)

    My estimate is closer to 9.0 seconds and no slower that the Elantra. ">link title

    Autoweek's and Autoblog's overall assessment is very positive, Motortrend's is "lukewarm:.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    No new news in these reviews. Not a bad small car but nothing great either. One error in the Motortrend review was their price difference between both a 2012 Hyundai Accent GLS Sedan and a 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS Sedan. Both vehicles with the identical equipment are only separated by a mere $1,500. $18, 900 for the Elantra and $17,400 for the Accent. Same Fuel Economy Too! No $3000. price gap and a hell of a lot more car with (much) better future residual (trade-in) value. A no brainer IMO.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    edited June 2011
    You seem to focus on features, size, price differential, and residual value in your assessment of these two cars. While I would agree that the Elantra may have the edge in features and size, I am more interested in how all the pieces come together. How does it handle, is it quiet and smooth, how does it brake (distance and feel), is it "fun" to drive, what is the "real world" fuel economy, how does it accerate, how sweet a ride, etc? Using a sports analogy, would you rather have a team of Allstars or a team that knows how to play together like a team. What keeps me interested in the Accent (over the Elantra) are these positive reviews, especially the one by Michael Karesh who when asked flat out said "I think the review clearly says Accent > Elantra."

    M Karesh 2012 Accent Review

    As for resale value, it is a huge mistake to base a new model's resale value on a prior model's, especially when the new model represents a quantum leap over the prior model and is already receiving accolades with some reviewers touting it as being at the top of its class. I believe if a car moves to top in class in a class that is growing, it will hold its value very nicely.

    So unless your cognitive powers and opinion carry more weight than others, picking the Elantra over the Accent is not a "no brainer". It depends on what you are interested in and as the saying goes "different strokes for different folks".
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,170
    don't discount $1500. That is about a 10 % upcharge!

    the other key difference? The elantra only comes in a 4 door. If you want your small car to have some utility, you are OOL at least until they come out with a new touring.

    Me, the Rio is more interesting then either of the Hyundais, if for no other reason than I want some features (and require a moonroof) even on a small car with good MPG.

    will have to test sit an Accent this week. Need to pick up a bag of dog food, and the pet store happens to be right next to the hyundai dealer.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited June 2011
    Perhaps your right that I have focused more on (my) perceived value of the 2012 Elantra vs the 2012 Accent and true, your buying fun and so called excitement and not cold cuts by the pound at the Deli. And since this new Accent is hardly "out of the gate", future residual trade in values are yet to be determined, but based on past small sub-compact/ B segment vehicles (all makes), they usually don`t return anywhere the same amount as the slightly larger, more popular compact/C segment cars. Even that would not necessarily discourage me from purchasing a sub-compact car that I really was excited about. I admit, I myself purchased a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE hatchback last July which I`m very happy with and I hope to purchase the new 2012 Kia Rio5 Hatchback this fall if the vehicle matches the media buzz it has received so far. After seeing and driving the new 2012 Hyundai Accent, I personally feel its a ok car which could have been a great car if HMA had not "decontented" it. Having very few upgradeable options that were offered in other markets around the world including our neighbor to the north, Canada. It appears the Hyundai figures that its new 2012 Kia Rio and Rio5 will fill that gap.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    You can't base subcompact resale values on past "cheap" models. The new crop of subcompacts (Fiesta, Fit, Accent, and Rio) with their upscale rides, interior volume, and content are really the "new" compacts so their resale value should adjust accordingly along increased demand and market share. I am not worried about resale value in these vehicles.

    My dilemma is that I waited for the Elantra, waited to see what Honda would do with the 2012 Civic (ok but disappointing), waited for the Accent (I haven't driven one yet), and am now debating whether to wait for the Rio5. My 6 year old 2006 Honda Civic is running fine so I am in no hurry but just getting anxious. If the Rio 5 is just as good as the Accent with more content options, it might be an easy choice. The Rio5 is 3 inches shorter in length in already a small car so I'll have to see how that translates (I prefer a small car that looks "big" versus one that looks "small"). The other negatives for me would be not having the guaranteed trade-in value that Hyundai offers and that the nearest Kia dealer is 25 miles away.

    On the other hand, if I get the Accent now, I have the option to trade it in in 2 years when something better comes along. Just got to figure Hyundai will stay busy as they relentlessly pursue protecting their advantage over the competition. I think I just talked myself into getting the Accent (if my wife likes it ;-)).
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited June 2011
    Hyundai coming out with that marketing ploy of "guaranteed trade-in value" was brilliant! If you read all the disclaimers though of deductions for (above-normal wear & tear) excessive mileage, specified windows of trade in opportunity and the big one, having all Manufacturer recommended maintenance and service performed at a Hyundai Dealership, they can readily afford to stick their neck out and predict a residual trade in value much like the (buy-out) number you get with a regular Lease. Once you factor in all those expensive $40 oil changes and recommended 6K, 12K, 18K, 24K, etc "recommended procedures", whatever extra you get on trade in towards purchasing another Hyundai product, you have already paid them out of pocket AND thats if you meet (all) the pre-qualifications and you choose another Hyundai. CarMax already offers basically Kelly Blue Book trade in values for quality cars they will buy from the public now if a Dealer low-balls the trade in vehicle and this also allows one to shop for a replacement of (any) Brand vehicle. Again, if the new Hyundai Accent works for you, enjoy. If you don`t need the Hyundai Guaranteed Trade-In Promo, I`d not worry about the new 2012 Kia Rio`s, allegedly 3`` exterior shortage difference and wait till fall, I know I am. I`m sure the interior specifications will be almost identical.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626
    Do you mean "the Kia Rio's 3" difference"? Figured you did but your punctuation made me wonder since you leave spaces where there shouldn't be. Funny how wrong punctuation can leave others wondering what was meant.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

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