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2012 Hyundai Accent Replacement "Verna"?



  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Your right, I was referring to the 3 `` shorter exterior dimensions the new 2012 Kia Rio or Rio5 allegedly has compared to the new 2012 Hyundai Accent. Thanks
  • nucarshoprnucarshopr Posts: 13
    A couple weeks ago I test drove several new cars including the new Accent.The one I drove came loaded with all the packages included with the auto tranny.I have to admit it was a nice car.A bit more power than the Yaris about the same as the Corrolla but less than the 2012 Civic.Handling was good to but again I liked the Civic best.I haven't been able to drive the Fiesta yet and that's the only other contender I'm looking at.There are several things I REALLY don't like about the Accent.First and foremost is the fact that the dealers won't budge on the price.Next is since it's a completely redesigned car nothing is known about reliability.Most every new design has bugs to be worked out and I seriously doubt the new Accent will be any different in that regard.Even with the package upgrades you don't even get a donut spare tire.Only a flat tire repair kit that's only good for a few miles use.Thats absurd by any standard.For me the proven reliability/quality of the Civic and Toyotas I drove far outweigh what the Accent offers.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    FWIW, the 2012 Civic is new also, thus unproven reliability. And the closest comparison to the Accent (hatch) is the Fit, not the Civic. A comparably equipped Civic costs thousands more than the Accent. So the Civic SHOULD be a much better car.

    Of course, the Corolla is also not a good comparo to the Accent. The Yaris is. Just based on interior quality and room alone, also fuel economy and power, I'd go for the Accent over the Yaris.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    nucarshpr, As the owner of a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback that I`ve owned since last July, 10` and driven 9K miles, I can say, I really like this vehicle. Great city fuel economy 34 mpg and constant 41 mpg highway, (without) the extra cost SFE package. Complaints about tight rear seat room, (its a Sub--Compact/B-Segment car). If your not stuck on a Hatchback, you should look at the 2012 Hyundai Elantra. Just $1,500. more then a similar equipped Accent and (much) more car. Unfortunately, still no emergency donut spare tire or jack but a salvage yard could remedy that quickly and cheaply. AND, same fuel economy as the smaller Accent too!
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I think recent history has proven that first year "jitters" of having serious issues with a new vehicles launch is pretty much in the past. See any problems with the recent launch of Hyundai`s Sonata, Elantra, or for that matter, the 2011 Ford Fiesta? In the last decade, (all) car manufacturers have road tested their new offerings under all kinds of harsh conditions for hundreds of thousands of miles before (full) production is begun. This is not your (fathers Oldsmobile). anymore. Back in "the day", Cars were quickly made and shipped to the dealers to fix production problems, thats not standard operating procedure anymore.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Actually just the opposite appears true. With all the new models and high tech gadgets, new models are appearing with numerous problems.
    Declining Quality in New Models
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    IMO, "most" new vehicles 2010-2012 both Domestic and Imported have very good quality build and few minor repair issues. Consumer Reports, JD Powers, and the rest of those Quality Survey folks take data both actual and "perceived" problems with new car owners and comply a list of the good, bad, and the ugly. I have a new 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback which I previously posted about. I purchased it in July 10` and have driven it 9K so far. NO Problems whatsoever, lucky? Perhaps, but I (did not) order the Sync System or the High Tech Ford My Touch either. I have to admit, I did order the Power Moonroof, but to date it has not failed nor has the power windows, power door locks, nor power mirrors either. The more technology you prefer adding to your vehicle, the more technology "crashes" you can expect. I use a small flip (dumb) phone, never have a problem. Want a state of the art iPhone, Blackberry, LTE Adroid 4 G, have fun. How many issues have the 2011 Hyundai Sonata or Elantra had? Ask their owners for (real) input. You can get a Lemon with a 15K car as easily as a 100K vehicle but, all in all, most new cars even in their first year of Launch have proven for the most part to be reliable and dependable transportation, "IF" you avoid the temptation to load them up with High Technology toys that will at some point crash and fail and give endless aggravation. Just saying........who wants to purchase a vehicle in its last year of production before either a major refresh or replacement? Most people would like driving a car that looks new and pretty much the same for 4 or 5 years before it looks dated and obsolete. We all have choices, and true, some end up with "Buyers Regret".
  • nucarshoprnucarshopr Posts: 13
    While it's true the 12 Civic is new to an extent it's changes vs the 11 version are quite modest compared to the completely new12 Accent.I should have mentioned some prices in my original post.I can get the DX Coupe with manual tranny for 15,500 compared to the GLS manual at 15,040.These are actual selling prices at the dealers I visited.Granted there's no AC or audio available with the DX which I'm not happy about but installing a decent audio system won't add much to the final cost.The AC is another story but IMO Honda' excellent record for reliability,more room front/back/trunk space,15" wheels/spare (vs 14" wheels/repair kit with the Accent),bigger more powerful engine still edges out the Accent for the money.Now the Fiesta S sedan with manual might well be the best deal of all.I was able to get in one but since it was already sold I couldn't actually take it for a spin.With the 500 cash back Ford has in place now it would only be 13,495.I might even be able to negotiate the price lower still.Considering what it comes with even in the basic S version that's very juicy.I should also mention I really don't want a lot of the frills like bluetooth,navigation,USB ports,moon roof and such.All I want is a car that's reasonably fun to drive,good on gas and reliable.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    nucarshopr, as your aware, I`m an owner of a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback since last July. As I`ve posted,34 mpg city and 41 mpg highway with A/T and no SFE package. No complaints and no repair or adjustments except some re-gluing of weather strip on rear doors. If you know someone, own Ford Shares-(100) or more, or go on Blue Oval, get an X Plan Pin # you can get the car for under invoice with NO-dealer Fee`s too! If your financing, Ford Credit might have a low APR as well. Not sure if all these deals are available on the Fiesta S though. I have yet to see one in person, only SE, SES & SEL. Not a big seller for sure.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    and, in 2012, can you imagine what the residual value would be even for a Honda Civic with manual transmission, crank windows, no radio and no A/C at trade in? Hope you plan on driving that (gem) right to the scrap yard. Also, Honda has had a great (past) reliability no doubt, but Hyundai/Kia has the 5/60K bumper to bumper warranty plus the 10 year 100K drive train coverage. It looks like your the kind of buyer that could make use of that?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Granted there's no AC or audio available with the DX ...

    So you should be comparing the base Accent GLS to the Civic DX then. The base Accent GLS lists at $13,205 including destination, without AC or audio. So you're looking at around $2500 less than the Civic, comparing apples to apples, with the discount you mentioned on the Civic, assuming a small discount on the Accent.

    If you must compare the Accent GLS with AC and audio (including satellite radio, also power package) to the Civic, you really should compare the Civic LX, which lists at $18,625 compared to $14,955 for the Accent... over $3600 more for the Civic.

    As for more power, the Civic has all of 2 hp over the lighter Accent. Also the Accent has a 6-speed tranny vs. the Civic's 5 speeds. Although the Civic does have more interior room (including rear leg room), the Accent actually has the larger trunk--14 cubic feet vs. 12.5. And of course the Accent hatch has tons of cargo room--something the Civic doesn't offer at any price. :)

    If you want a car that's good on gas, the Civic or Accent is a better bet than the Fiesta S. You'd need to get the extra-cost fuel economy package on the Fiesta to get comparable mpg to the Civic or Accent. Also, you said you like the room in the back seat of the Civic. So you would probably not like the rear seat of the Fiesta, which is a LOT tighter than that of the Accent. Have you checked out the rear seat of a Fiesta yet? It's Cruel & Unusual Punishment for all but small children. Also, the Fiesta is an all-new design, with unproven reliability.

    If you want a no-frills car, the base Accent GLS with 40 mpg, 6MT, big trunk, no AC or audio, and roomier back seat than the Fiesta might fit the bill. Not to mention that nice warranty.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    backy, Why do you (insist) on claiming that you need to order the Ford Fiesta with the extra cost SFE package to get 34 mpg city and 41 mpg highway? Not only have I and other Fiesta owners reported this (fact) but even Consumer Reports which has no love for FMC claimed that they actually achieved 45 mpg highway with a Fiesta without the SFE package. By the way, Ford has included on "ALL" Ford Fiesta`s the same equipment with or without the SFE except the special low resistance rolling tires which are certainly not worth the major added cost of the Package. If you want to "bash" the Fiesta for its marginal rear seat leg room, fine. But, as far as Fuel Economy goes, PLEASE, just the facts. I`m sure for the 2012 Ford Fiesta Model Year, the E.P.A. Fuel Economy figures will be adjusted upward unless Ford wants it`s Fiesta buyers to be pleasantly surprised. This "hate" affair you have with both Ford and it`s Fiesta has become so biased, its boring. By the way, when you suffer a tire (blow-out) and wait for your Tow Truck to haul away your 2012 Hyundai Accent because the mini-air compressor and can of tire sealant did`nt do the trick, the Fiesta does have a emergency spare tire and jack...just saying. Oh, by the way, That`s A Fact, contrary to an opinion. Fiesta is new with "un-proven reliability, well what about the totally new Hyundai Accent, still unproven unless you want to rely on a discontinued model. Base it on Brand? Ok, well what about the recent reliability and quality of Ford with its Fusion? Your entitled to your opinion, but not your own Facts! Just check the trunk of the new 2012 Hyundai Accent and see besides the 14 cubic foot storage space what`s under the matt.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    "YMMV". I like to use EPA ratings when comparing fuel economy across cars because there are so many variables if we look at what you get or I get or Joe Blow gets for fuel economy. Sure, it's possible to get over 40 mpg on any Fiesta. But it's possible to get over 40 mpg on an Accent (or Civic) too.

    I have no "hate affair" with Ford. The FACT is, the EPA fuel economy rating on the Fiesta S with the manual transmission (which the OP is talking about getting) is 28 / 37.

    So don't bash me over the head for stating FACTS. Maybe the EPA will adjust the FE ratings for the Fiesta S upwards for 2012. They haven't yet. I am stating the FACTS as they are today, not some premonition for the future.

    Also, the tight rear leg room of the Fiesta is a FACT. May not be important for some people, like you. But seems to be important to the OP, who mentioned that it was a plus that the Civic has more rear seat room than the Accent.

    Funny you talk about biased, though, with your 357 posts (or thereabouts) on the door handles of the Accent. ;)

    Both the new Accent and Fiesta are unproven for reliability. The Fusion is a different car than the Fiesta. But if you want claim that the Fiesta will be reliable because the Fusion has been reliable, I could say the same about the Accent wrt the Sonata or Elantra or some other Hyundai model.

    P.S. It's an easy matter to buy a spare tire and jack for the Accent, if you are uncomfortable with not having one. That's what I'd do if I bought one of these new cars ala Accent or Elantra or Cruze that doesn't have a standard spare tire. A dumb idea to save a little weight/money, IMO. But easily remedied. Not so easy to add a bigger trunk or more rear leg room to the Fiesta.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Odd that you take EPA Fuel Economy figures as the Holy Grail regardless what others (not just myself) and Publications like CR Posts. You know as well as I, in the (past) most Vehicles NEVER, I repeat "Never" get anywhere close to EPA Fuel Estimates in (real-time) driving conditions. They are usually obtained by putting a finely tuned sample vehicle on a Dynamometer to cull optimum results. The 2011 Ford Fiesta, a non-hybrid, actually delivers in excess of these ratings. If you insist that EPA rating`s are the equivalent of the Holy Bible, Koran, or the Talmud, so be it. Some folks still believe that the World is still flat despite compelling evidence to the contrary. Funny, no mention of ever being disappointed about owning a car that never achieved the EPA Fuel Economy posted on the MSRP? Only an issue that since the EPA (says) 28/37 MPG, then (that) is what one should expect, maybe. Check on the SFE Package too if you like and see it only (now) contains the tire upgrade unlike the new 2012 Ford Focus which has a different power louvered grill. I`ll wrap this up by stating, I like both Hyundai and Kia and have owned and intend to purchase their vehicles. My complaint is with HMA "decontented" its new Accent offering making it a lesser car then what is offered in other Markets around the world. Not just Canada gets a better equipped unit, but (even) India a developing Third World Nation, gets a higher content vehicle then the USA gets. Thats a fact, NOT an opinion. The "mirrors" which by the way are (now) painted the same exterior color as the vehicle on the GLS Base Sedan is just one item. There are plenty more. I`ll have to check and see if there is also a lack of storage area in my Fiesta Hatchback probably caused by the lack of back seat knee room too.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    You know as well as I, in the (past) most Vehicles NEVER, I repeat "Never" get anywhere close to EPA Fuel Estimates in (real-time) driving conditions.

    I'll bet some do, just by the Law of Averages. But many people get worse than the EPA ratings. And many get better mpg than the EPA ratings. So for sake of comparison, I choose to use a published spec that is calculated in the same way on all vehicles, and is easily available to all. Not a "Holy Grail", but one way to compare on a standardized measure. I suppose instead we could use "Phill's Fuel Economy Ratings", but then you'd have to drive every car offered for sale, in exactly the same way--a big job.

    BTW, Hyundai decontents EVERY vehicle it sells here compared to other markets, especially the ROK. That is likely a plus for the OP who says he wants a basic car. If it offends you somehow, well, there's many other cars to choose from. The Accent has plenty of equipment for me. If the GS hatch 6MT had cruise, it would be just about perfect. :)
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    backy, I`ll let you have the last word on this one. Its like a former Massachusetts "Yellow Dog Liberal Democrat Socialist" like myself or Sen Bernie Saunders from VT trying to find common ground with a Right Wing Evangelical Born Again Christian Conservative Republican Tea Bagger, (enough description?) like a Michelle Bachmann, could they agree that they are discussing a topic in the same time zone? I think Bachmann has a better chance of becoming the Homecoming Queen at a NYC Gay Pride Parade! Please don`t take offense as I am in no way attempting to characterize you as either of these people. I`m just saying.......If you think Hyundai Motors America (HMA) is doing the average consumer a favor by (not) allowing "options" on its vehicles, thanks cool. YOU did mention that your a tiny bit disappointed that you can`t get cruise control on the 2012 Accent GS Hatchback, see what I mean? I know the Hyundai Accent was never intended to be a poor man`s Mercedes Benz, Audi or BMW, but allowing more choices in options as they do in other Markets, would appear to have been reasonable . Time will tell, Consumers will vote with their wallets and it won`t be long before John Krafick looks like a genius or I go on the Food Network and devour a huge slice of Crow Pie minus the Whipped Cream! In the mean time, I`m hoping that this Fall when the new 2012 Kia Rio and Rio5 finally arrive, the wait will be worth it. If you pull the trigger and get your 2012 Hyundai Accent GS Hatchback, (minus the Speed Control), best of luck and enjoy......Sincerely, phill1
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    If you think Hyundai Motors America (HMA) is doing the average consumer a favor by (not) allowing "options" on its vehicles, thanks cool.

    No, that's not what I think. It's also not true. There's options on Hyundais, including some Accent trims. But consider Honda has not offered factory options on most of its vehicles for a long time. They've done OK with that approach. On the opposite side is Ford, which offers lots of option packages, and allows a car to be ordered from the factory equipped a certain way. I can see that would be attractive to many buyers. It would be attractive to me, if Ford offered a small car here with a roomy back seat. That's a "blocker" requirement for me with my next car.

    Anyway, I do have the choice of cruise or not with the Accent, still in a reasonably priced car. It's not like, for example, the Cruze, where not only do I need to move to at least the LT to get cruise, I have to pay extra for it. At least on the SE hatch, cruise is standard. I'm still trying to decide if I really need cruise, since I have another car in the family that has it, and is more comfortable for long trips.

    If I get an Accent, it will likely be a 2013... maybe it'll offer a backup camera and factory nav and a panoramic sunroof and 18" wheels and leather and gosh knows what else by then. I know I won't buy one like that, however.
  • nucarshoprnucarshopr Posts: 13
    backy where are you seeing this base Accent for 13,205 including destination?The Hyundai link on this page says from 12,445 but when I click the link it shows from14,195 MSRP. At that price the Accent would definitely be a strong contender.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    What did the Yugo sell for? A new 2012 Accent stripped down with no radio, no A/C, and crank windows would sell well perhaps in the Sub Continent of Africa, but realistically here in North America, if you can find (one) the Dealer will have it in his Inventory for a Loss Leader Ad in the Sunday Newspaper listed as....Only "1" at This Price, Model # xxxxx. It will not be a big seller. Most New Car buyers want a few "bells and whistles" on their new ride. Not many wants pure "utility" otherwise they would look for a used well maintained former Police or Taxi vehicle. Funny how so many "frugal" Car shoppers are only interested in obtaining a New Car with the absolute lowest MRSP but then have no issue of "bending over" and paying between $500 to $800. for so called "Dealer Fee`s". What a hoot! I personally would rather put those funds into extra options on the vehicle, just saying....To each their own, I guess.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Go to the New Cars tab in and configure the base GLS sedan 6MT, with no options. MSRP is $13,205. Maybe you looked at the automatic?
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