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Compact Pickup Comparison: Frontier, Ranger, Tacoma, S10, Dakota, B-Series, & Hombre

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  • barlitzbarlitz Posts: 752
    The package includes,instatrac 4x4,4x4 flat five spoke aluminum wheels,reinforced wide stance chasis w/46mm blistein gas charged monotube shocks,vortec 430V6 SFI engine 190 HP/250 lb tque,revised frame for wide tread 3.9" wider than standard,ground clearance 11.4" front and 9.1" in back,strengthened front differential and drive axles,unique rear suspension with revised multileaf springs and added rear axle track bar,unique rear axle w/ an 8.5" ring gear,larger bearings and larger diameter axle shafts,28mm front stabilizer bar,31"x10.5" R15 BFG's,locking differential,4 wheel antilock brakes,driver side 3RD door. There's more to an offroad vehicle than just putting a trd sticker on it,I'm curious to know what the trd includes other than a sticker thats missing a u. BTW JD powers rated the Mazda B4000 best compact followed by S-10,Toyota wasn't even mentioned
  • webbdwebbd Posts: 176
    I agree with Vince that the value, if value means getting more options for less money, of Toyota vehicles has eroded over the last decade or so. But the quality still remains. Check out the latest Consumer Reports issue which is on the newstands now, and you will see that all the toyota vehicles rank "better or much better-than-average" meaning that less than 5% of owners ever experience problems. Ford, specifically the F-150 and Ranger, as usual, rank "Average" meaning 5 - 9.3% of owners have problems. But if you flip over to GM, you will find the Silverado, S-10, Suburban, Sierra, and on and on all rank "Much-worse-than-average" or more than 14.8% of owners experience problems. DaimlerGerman managed to eek out a "worse-than-average" rating with their Ram trucks, but that just means that between 9.3 and 14.8% of owners had problems.

    But it's not just Toyota who've raised prices and lowered equipment offerings. The average price of a new vehicle was something like $14,000 earlier this decade, and now that figure is hovering around $20,000. The manufacturers are not to blame for this as they're just taking advantage of our insatiable hunger for more and more automobiles.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Posts: 1,102
    I also had a 95 Ranger with the exact same problems. So, just FYI in case you didn't know:

    -The windshield wipers were caused by a defective turn signal stalk (I had mine replaced under warranty with an updated design produced by a different supplier).

    -The dome light/door chime is caused by a sticking switch that is inside of the door latch mechanism. In most cases, a judicious application of WD-40 will cure it. In a few instances, the switch must be replaced. (I went the WD-40 route).
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Posts: 1,102
    As previously noted, I would avoid '95 Rangers. There aren't really any bad years for the 3L. Your worse case scenario would be having to use mid-grade fuel because of pinging that some 3L's experience on low-grade. I think it's due to the FFV experimenting over the years.

    I'd recommend a '96 or newer Ranger with the 3L and the 5-speed. They mate well together.

    Other than that, there's not really much to report. Just follow the general stuff when buying a used vehicle.

    Good luck
    -Colin
  • acf2001acf2001 Posts: 28
    I've been reading pickup posts for a while now and since i took possession of my Toyota truck on 12/30 i have had soooo much fun with it -logged 850 miles, bought new CD's, driving all over for no reason etc... Anyway some one out there help me. What is the deal with my stick, i mean shifter? When i start driving from a stop and am in first it seems that i barely get the clutch out before i have to shift into 2nd. Is this how trucks drive? THe gearing is different somehow? I'm puttin that thing into 4000 rpms and i am only going 10 mph! Kinda fun, except i bounce all over and look stupid. HOw high should the rpms go when shifting up?
    And second, with the ongoing resale debate...it seems to me that you almost never see a toyo truck for sale but tons of fords, chevy's etc... Wouldn't this push up the resale, this supply and demand? The toyo dealer here said used toyos are on the lot 3 days or less usu. Also, vince8 see my post under trucking magazines/truthfullness from 1/8. I too noticed bias, but not your kind.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Posts: 1,102
    You've got a 4-banger, right? Toyota puts really short gears on their 4cyl trucks for better performance off the line (as do all truck manufacturers).

    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Toyota stick something like 4.30s or 4.56s on their 4cyl Prerunners?
  • webbdwebbd Posts: 176
    Prerunners only come with automatics, Cthompson.

    Acf2001, do you have a regular or ext. cab? Not that it matters any, but I was just wondering. My '98 5-speed was a regular cab and it was fun to drive, being light-weight and peppy.

    The first gear is kinda short, and you shouldn't let it rev above 4000 for the first 1000 miles. You may have already done this a few times, but for engine break-in, try to refrain for the next couple hundred miles or so. Your engine's sweet spot is from 4000 RPM's and up in third gear. Next time you want to really go, drop into third gear at about 50-55 MPH and you'll really feel the power. Of course, wait until your engine is properly broken in first (1000 miles).
  • Vince still isn't winning over any Ranger owners in the "Ranger III" forum. All of the posts but his are still people wanting a new truck, as long as it's not a Ranger. HA!!!
  • acf2001acf2001 Posts: 28
    until 1000. Not too much fun. I don't hot rod cars, but LOVE standard shift and shifting and will try your sweet spot. Where'd you get info on that?????
    I have the extended cab. I have been good trying to keep the mph to 55 or less until broken in so truck is happy.
  • webbdwebbd Posts: 176
    I got my info from my own driving. I had the same engine you are driving now in my '98 reg. cab. But since you have the ext.cab, your truck weighs 420 lbs more than mine (yours weighs 2990 lbs), so it's going to be slower. Of course, you won't know the difference, so enjoy.

    About the sweet spot, unless they've changed the gearing, which they probably haven't, you can stay in 2nd almost up to 60, so I would normally shift somewhere around 50-55, and I'd then be right in the powerband of the engine in third gear. If you race, you may be beat off the line, but once you get into 2nd and eventually 3rd, this is where you make up ground. Your truck's 0-60 time should be somewhere around 9.0 - 9.1 seconds, considering the extra weight. My truck, at 2560 lbs had a published time of 8.4 seconds. If I see a published figure for your truck, I'll let you know.
  • May I present this point to ponder regarding the volume of used Fords & Chevys on car lots? Could it be that there are thousands more of them sold than Toyotas in the first place? I agree to a point that the lack of Toyotas on lots could keep resale values higher, since there are fewer from which to choose. But on the flipside, a person looking to buy a used truck at a good value may be wise to give the Rangers a serious look.

    I know that Toyotas are great trucks - one of my brothers owns a '92 4X4 and my little brother works at the Tundra plant in Princeton, IN and is always touting the quality awards that the Tundras have received (however, he himself owns a '98 F-150 and is totally satisfied with it). My neighbor owns a 2000 Tundra and I have ridden in it a few times - it's a nice truck. But I still see no reason to pay so much more for a Toyota when my first Ranger was as good as it was. Unless my 2000 turns out to be a total piece of crap (which I honestly don't expect to be the case), I will stick with Ford.
  • webbdwebbd Posts: 176
    Those are very good points. I would surmise that some of the difference between the used prices of the Fords and Chevies vs. Toyotas is due to the fact that the supply of Fords and Chevies is greater and that this might present a better value for the shopper on a budget.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    back allnkowing and take a look at yourself. You beat me up about my postings yet in the same post you do the same!! There is a Tacoma problem room here at Edmunds, I have not POSTED ONCE in this room, yet you come into the Ranger room and post and bash the Ranger???!! Take another look at past posts, there are plenty of satisfied Ranger owners. Like I said, I must have done one heck of a job on your "Toyota is god" bubble, deflated it almost to nothing?
    Web! I made virtualy the same points bart did and you now say they are valid!!
    Why don't you tell the Toyota person why his truck really is lacking in power?? The 4cyl Toyota just doesn't cut it, thats why. It has 150HP and 177ft/lbs of torque, now add this up to the weight of the truck, people, gear.... Doesn't take a rocket scientist.
    Ford no longer puts 4cyl engines in 4whl drive trucks.. Neither does Chevy. You can knock GM now but by this time next year the new 2002 S-10 will be available. It will have a straight 6 that will give both Toyota and Ford a run back to the drawing board. There was a great article on this motor in a Truck Trend about 2 months ago. This engine puts out more torque then some V8 engines!
    Resale, please, go to KBB and punch in numbers of LIKE Tacoma/Rangers, you can see for yourself the resale is not the huge wide gap that some Toyota owners want you to believe. I am getting tired of posting this over and over again.
  • acf2001acf2001 Posts: 28
    on my lunch reading the sarcasm in vince's reply...
    anyway, vince i don't care about power, only how to drive correctly. Seriously, if i wanted an s2000, I could probably afford it somehow. I don't pretend (unlike you) that i have more than i actually have under the hood. It would be nice to have a V6, but after a Civic hatchback - this truck feels fast to me so leave me alone. Resale is regional. i am not a he either.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    What 4CYL in Ford or Chevy truck makes 150HP? 4CYL in 4WD truck will work fine. No, you won't be towing 5,000# or hauling 2,000# in bed, but for people who do not need a full size a 4CYL can work. Reason that they are not offered is that they are not popular in the US. How much HP does the 3.0 V6 in the Ranger have? 150HP, same as Toyota 4CYL. Big 3 not good at making 4CYL for truck use.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Well said. The part about almost choking on your lunch had me cracking up. Keep on truckin'.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Posts: 1,102
    I agree that the Big3 have problems making a decent 4cyl for truck use (unlike Toyota and Nissan).

    Maybe Ford's new 2.3L I4 will be an improvement. I'm skeptical, tho. I know that GM is introducing a whole new engine line-up soon. Dodge, well... They have trouble even making a decent 6cyl for their trucks (the 3.9 is a terrible engine by today's standards).

    Audios
    -C
  • steve234steve234 Posts: 460
    I have to wonder why even a discussion of 4 cyl truck engines. I'm sorry, but there is not a 4-banger around that has the power to do a decent amount of work. They make nice buzz toy engines, but otherwise yech. I will agree that the Dodge 3.9 and 5.9 are old technology and ready for retirement. They are still decent engines and deserve some respect. The new 4.7L is a really amazing engine. Despite what some may think about Dodge, I would say from personal experience that this is a better engine than the Toy 4.7, the Chevy 4.8 and the Ford 4.6. Dodge is getting ready to produce a 3.7 (based on the 4.7) and a 5.7 hemi which should have a lot of design feature similar to the 4.7. This will give Dodge a very impressive lineup.
  • You may think you're doing a good job proving something but you're the only one. Then again, you have proved that you're kind of a dork. You keep saying that I say "Toyota is God" but I never have said anything close to that. Why lie about everything when no one in these forums believe anything from you anyway? You've labeled anyone that likes their Toyota as thinking Toyota is perfect, yet, we've only said what you have also said. May I quote you? You said in post #163 "Yes, generally a Tacoma may have fewer problems". We've said the same thing, nothing more.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    When I was outside of US I saw many compact trucks used as work vehicles and not as personal vehicles. They had 4 cyl motors. Ford Ranger in Europe has only 4 cyl and GM (Holden) in Australia has 4 cyl motors in most pickup trucks. C'mon, this is about COMPACT trucks, and if you need V8 power then you better get a full size truck. (Dakota is not compact, so it needs a V6 or 8) For over 20 years compact trucks have had 4 cyl and they have more power now than ever before. 6 cyl in compact is needed for the required uses of some people and the need for speed of others, but to say that 4 cyl can not do decent amount of work is ridiculous.
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