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Isuzu Off Roading/Trail Reports

sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
edited March 23 in Isuzu
If you aren't afraid of a few scratches, the Pine Barrens is a great place to 4WD on the east coast. Most of the terrain is sand, but there are a lot of low branches and mud holes. The mud holes and water crossings can be deep.

I took the family for a day trip and we had a great time. The only negative, besides christening the truck with front to rear scratches were the droves of motorcycles that would come out of nowhere. I was travelling 10-20 mph and they would come around the bend about 30-40 mph. Not terrible but it broke up the quiet serene trip in the forest.
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  • Anyone from the NW interested in a dunes playday in late Jan? If so, e-mail me.
  • We just had about more than 10 inches of snow and was able to use the 4WD and low range of my '99 Passport. A lot of cars were stranded, blocking the roads, so I had to back up all the way to an intersection to use another path. The 4WD was really great. Since I drove only on the side streets, I liked the low range better. It had good control and better engine braking, especially if I shift the gears from D to 3 to 2 to L one at a time. I could slow down without using the bakes. I was hunting for unplowed roads and tried to drive through the most difficult surface. I managed to get stuck when I tried to pass another car that blocked the road and I climbed to a snow pile (higher than the SUV's ground clearance). But I still managed to quickly get past thru it by backing
    up once and moving forward again. Other than that, the SUV was unstoppable.

    Right now, I am enjoying the moment.

    Happy new year to all of you!!!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    We got 15" roughly here in NYC, and snow piles from plows on narrow streets were much higher. The trooper with TOD rocked totally! I pushed my way through plowed piles as high as about 3', during which I spun the wheels a bit, but the TOD is great in that, if it senses all 4 are slipping, it shifts the power back to the rears and then to the front hunting for traction. At first I would let off the gas totally, but after a few parrallel parking jobs, I realized if I just eased off a slight bit, it woul allow the TOD to do it's thing and bam right out of the snow. Dig dig dig wheels grip, and off I go.

    The downside i did find is that reverse sux in low traction conditions with any 4x4. I think the reverse gear ratio is much higher or lower (whichever one makes you spin em easier) which means that whenever you are parking like in your driveway and want to make sure you can get out, the best bet is to back in with the front facing the direction you want to go in afterward.

    Happy Snow!
    and Happy New Year!

    -mike
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    We got about 10" of powder in PA today. I got on a steep unplowed slope and tested 4-low and TOD. In 4-Low the truck would slide sideways and spin alot. In TOD it took right off and went up with no problems. I have noticed that I can get the back end loose if I accelerated too quickly.

    Overall the truck performed as usual. It made deep snow seem very easy. It would be more fun to hit some snow on off-road trails?

    I hit a few soft snow piles that were bumper high. Packed snow in the front and A-arms of the suspension. I am going to get up early tomorrow and see if I have a problem with TOD. I am going to let it warm up first.
  • In quest for unplowed open space, I went to the Orchard Beach (East of Bronx, New York) and found that the wide open parking lot was not plowed and there were already a lot of tracks from other SUV's who came in before me. Th snow was between one to two feet. There were lots of SUV's playing around including a Subaru Impresa (ouch, that low gorund clearance). The Passport tackled the snow with no problem. The limiting factor is also the ground clearance. When I tried to climb a snow pile to transfer from unplowed area to the plowed area, the whole bottom of the SUV was touching the snow and I couldn't move (kind of embarassing), Luckily, I can still move it a little and tried to rock it back and forth until I got free. Despite the fact that the underbody spare tire is close to the ground, it did not touched the snow. I got out once to check the snow while running accross an untouched surface and found out that the snow was about 14 inches deep and the tires only sank to about 7 inches and I can still dig another 7 inches on the tire track. I went over and over until I had enough. A lot of SUV owners also went there. I also saw a FWD car attemped to enter the unplowed area but backed off before the rear wheels can touch the deep snow.
  • deimosdeimos Posts: 57
    Hello,

    I've already replied to "Found a winter wonderland for beginners" by drmperalta on the SUV owners forum(please see bellow), but now I notice that Paisan, in his "Ditto on the snow", had a similar bad experience, like mine when backing off in 4X4 even LOW!

    In Reply to:Found a winter wonderland for beginners by drmperalta

    Hello,

    I'm happy that you had so much fun :)

    I hope that you won't mind if I ask a few questions(as a newbie), since last night, in similar snow, in a different and crowded city(Montreal rather then our Ottawa) my experience wasn't so great as yours?

    We have a '99 V6 5 speed Rodeo:

    So we were on this narrow street when we pass our host's place and (at the guy's suggestion) I try to park on the side of the street in one or two feet of snow...Definitely more then one on the left side of the truck, almost two I'd say...

    I park almost completely, but I get stuck a little, even after switching in 4W Low? After straightening up the tires I could back off, but in the process I've discovered two other disconcerting factors:

    a) Rather then backing off in straight line (diagonally towards the middle of the street, that was clean), the truck would kind of steer left?? And keep me in the snow and backing towards another parked car...

    I guess my stock tires aren't much good in snow :)

    b) Something started to smell! Later I've recalled an article from the last year newspapers something like "many SUV owners burned...their engines on the Chicago streets when getting stuck in the snow, because they don't know how to handle them...An SUV won't take you out of everywhere..."

    So the question is what is the danger here? I'm afraid that someone like me might actually burn something at the engine block(is it called block engine's insulation or garnish?)?

    Can anyone provide more input please?

    PS

    I did get out of the snow moving forward eventually, but I didn't want to push the truck too hard, since that smell was smelling trouble!

    I guess it just wasn't my day after all(see previous post about getting the tire cover punctured from a minor collision from behind earlier in the same city), but it could have been much worse :)

    Basically I'm not so worried about getting a little bit "embarrassed" like you said, but about the danger of pushing the truck to hard in a situation like that...

    Any advice would be more then welcomed!

    Thanks again,
  • deimosdeimos Posts: 57
    Hello again,

    About:

    "We got about 10" of powder in PA today. I got on a steep unplowed slope and tested 4-low and TOD. In 4-Low the truck would slide sideways and spin alot. In TOD it took right off and went up with no problems. "

    BTW: exactly what happened to me in 4-low backing off: slipping sideways and spin a lot! Kind of scarry :) Plus some smell...
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The smell was probably your clutch burning from not being fully engaged.

    TOD is the full-time variable tourque system on the Troopers. It can be used in wet or dry conditions, and varies torque split between the front and rear axles.

    The problem I had was in snow, it appeared to permeate the TOD unit, and cause a short. I cannot re-create the problem, even with driving a whole weekend in deep snow. I'm gonna let it go as a hiccup for now.

    -mike
  • deimosdeimos Posts: 57
    Thanks!

    So the smell doesn't come from something more serious like the gasket of the engine block(I think)?

    Also, you guys seem to indicate that TOD would do a better job in the snow then 4WD low?

    Not knowing better, I thought 4WD low is the best there is...It was one more reason not to go for a "permanent all wheel drive" ....:)

    I wasn't even aware that one can have either TOD or 4WD low in an Isuzu Trooper...

    I'll keep that in mind and sorry to hear about your hiccup with TOD...
    As a matter of fact anything that is fully automatic kind of worried us, in terms of reliability...

    But we'll learn as we go or from your experiences :)
  • gpm5gpm5 Posts: 785
    TOD=torque on demand. Not available in a five speed and the trooper with the manual tranny does not have it. Interesting that your 4WD Hi did better than 4WD Lo in the snow.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    On the Trooper you can also have it set to 2wd only in addition to TOD and 4wd Lo, kinda the best of the AWD and Part Time 4wd systems.

    -mike
  • gpm5gpm5 Posts: 785
    Sorry to duplicate this message, but if someone out there only looks at offroading, they will not see this message under maintenance and repair.

    I saw a discussion on water in the tranny somewhere in the owners club, but I can't recall where. Does water get into the tranny through the so-called vents? Are these on top of the transmission casing--does anybody know--are there vent line extensions on the trooper? I would assume that most vehicles could go through 6 inches of water, and I'd hope the trooper could go through more without having to replace the tranny fluid. They do show an advertisement with it sitting in a shallow river bed. I've heard about people extending their trany vent lines for offroading through deep water etc. --but I assume this would be water that would come through the doors. I also have heard of people ripping out the rugs and putting in rubber for such offroading. Any input would be great.
  • deimosdeimos Posts: 57
    Hi,

    Sorry for the confusing generated by my long posts :)

    No, my 4WD Hi didn't do better then 4WD Lo in deep snow: I've used 4WD Lo to get out, but , like someone else said here I had the same problem with it:

    "In 4-Low the truck would slide sideways and spin alot." especially when backing up...
    Eventually I was able to exit by moving forward after backing up a little, since backing up would slide left and back towards another parked car :)

    Not to mention that something starting to smell and I was afraid that I might burn something like the engine block gasket by overheating the engine(people said that it might have been my clutch rather then the engine)...

    I'm glad that at least you the Trooper owners have TOD to help you in snow and such :)

    I'll probably consider one for my next truck(even if we intend to keep our '99 V6 five speed Rodeo for as long as possible)...
  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    I think the sliding sideways while backing thing is due to not-so-good tires. If the tires can bite, you won't slide sideways, even when the snow gets really greasy. I have parallel parked in the snow many times without trouble, but I have always had good AT tires on my 4X4.

    I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with your vehicle, you just need better tires.
  • deimosdeimos Posts: 57
    Thanks!

    That was my guess as well...:)

    What are your "good AT tires on your 4X4. "? Are they all seasons, or winter only tires?

    If I'll have the choice I'd get all seasons for my Rodeo(to save money), if they'll do a better job then my factory ones...
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    If they are the Dueller 684s, are pretty decent. The reverse problem is in reverse the gear ratio is higher than foward so it cuts the wheels out much easier than in the foward gears.

    I've heard the Pirelli Scorpions are good tires too.

    -mike
  • deimosdeimos Posts: 57
    Thanks!

    That was my guess as well...:)

    What are your "good AT tires on your 4X4. "? Are they all seasons, or winter only tires?

    If I'll have the choice I'd get all seasons for my Rodeo(to save money), if they'll do a better job then my factory ones...
  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    So far I still have the OEM 684s, but I plan on getting Pirelli Scorpions when I get bigger tires. They outperformed a bunch of more expensive tires in a test that has been passed around, and are periodically on sale at Sears.

    I would look for a tire with lots of siping and blocking for snow use, although such a tire can be noisy in some cases.

    On one of my previous vehicles, an 88 Pathfinder, I had worn 75% of the original tread off the tires, but though I could make it through the winter, as they were not worn down to the wear bars yet. Then I had a minor fenderbender where I slid into a guy during a snowfall. The accident made me decide to spring for the new tires, and what a difference! I was able to drive in 2WD where with the old tires 4WD was necessary, and braking in the snow was also vastly improved. I am convinced that if I had gotten new tires earlier, I would not have slid into that guy.

    I guess my point is that any decent AT tire with good tread on it will be superior to worn tires, regardless of brand.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yep, I never skimp on tires or brakes. They are what keeps you in contact with the road and stops you from hitting someone else!

    -mike
  • gpm5gpm5 Posts: 785
    Does anyone use a continuous loop tow strap?
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