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Chevrolet Cruze

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    If you want a car as large as a Sonata. Many people don't but do want the interior room and upscale amenities that the Cruze offers. There are many compacts that if you deck them out they will be close to some of the midsizers at their entry points. However, deck out the midsizer in the same manner and usually you'll be several thousand higher. The Sonata Limited is around 27k.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,692
    Personal opinion is not based on fact...only based on that particular persons feelings...nothing more/nothing less. So many get this point confused it amazes me. Don't care what magazine writers or websites say, I go by how "I" feel and nothing else!

    Don't want no turbo here, just an auto slushbox with some upscale features...so what model should I be looking at?

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    "Don't care what magazine writers or websites say, I go by how "I" feel and nothing else!"

    Why are you asking for other's advice then?
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,692
    edited October 2010
    Only asking advise on the exact model we should be looking at...auto, power stuff, 2.0 engine(?)...that's what I'm interested in. No need for you to chime in unless you can answer my particular question...the last question which you seemed to ignore! A simple model is all I'm looking for...o k? Jeez louise!

    T I A to anyone who can answer my simple question!

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    edited October 2010
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    Gee, it seemed that it was perfectly alright for you to chime in about "personal opinions" but it isn't alright to respond to a post by you. Kind of onesided isn't it? You should know that anything posted on these forums is fair game. If you want to tell people what to do, become a host!

    Anyway, The two engines for the Cruze are a normally aspirated 1.8L I4 and a turbo 1.4L I4.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    I do not wish to cloud the issue but to further illuminate it.

    Actually, opinions are based on facts but the facts are insufficient to produce complete certainty. This critical distinction is what differentiates the meaning of the word "opinion" from the meaning of the word "fact."

    It naturally follows, therefore, that the more facts the opinion is based on, the more valid it is.
  • scottlscottl Posts: 109
    A base GLS Sonata has a 35 mpg/198 horsepower Direct Injection 2.4L, power windows/locks/heated mirrors, keyless remote, bluetooth, iPod connectivity, five star crash rating, six airbags, 4 wheel disk brakes with ABS, traction control, stability control, 6-speed auto or 6-speed manual, 5 year/60,000 mile bumper to bumper and 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain. You can get one for $19K with all dealer fees and destination included. Made in the USA, with more USA content than a Cruze.

    Subjectively, it has beautiful styling and is much larger and more comfortable than a Cruze.

    Why would I buy a Cruze over a Sonata? Seriously, what would sway me?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    edited October 2010
    Can't disagree with you on the Sonata but some people just don't want a midsize car....they want a compact car like the Cruze. Is that so hard to accept? If you want to bring up a car to compete with the Cruze why don't you stay in the compact class....like Civic or Coralla or Elantra? Is it because you're looking to buy a 2011 Sonata as evidenced by your posts over on the 2011 Sonata thread and possibly a little biased?

    From what I've seen and read, and this is only an opinion based on those things, the Cruze is very upscale, handles well, is very quiet and well put together....possibly nicer inside than the Sonata but I would really like to experience it for myself so I can comment more intelligently.

    Let's stick to MSRPs when discussing because "street prices" like you mention are all over the board and you certainly can't compare a street price for a Sonata that has been out for 9 months to the MSRP of the Cruze which is just now hitting dealerships. The Cruze will eventually sell at a pretty good discount as well I'm sure.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited October 2010
    I'm not thrilled with the Cruze's North American content, but it is made by an American company. Chevy's primary headquarters and chief staff aren't in South Korea like Hyundai's. I'm told the North American content will increase when Chevy starts building the 1.4L Turbo engine in Michigan.

    Personally, I like the Cruze because I like my local Chevy dealer's Service Dept. personnel and have for some time; the styling is conservative (to me, the latest Sonata looks 'boy racer', like a kid in 9th grade sketched it), and it's built 40 miles from me so I am positively affecting people in my area by buying it. It's too early to tell about the Cruze, but posts on Edmunds and elsewhere have shown some early quality glitches with the Sonata, too.
  • scottlscottl Posts: 109
    OK:

    Cruze 1LT with a spare tire and the "Connectivity plus Cruise" package: $19,520

    Sonata GLS Automatic: $20,915

    Since I want a manual the Sonata is $19,915. I can't even get a Cruze with a MT unless I get a stripper. Thanks, GM. I wonder if they ever bothered to add up all the sales they lose by attempting to force people to take automatics. In CO where I live, Subarus, VW's, BMWs, Audis, Hondas and yes, Hyundais with manual transmissions abound. There are very few GM cars at all, and the lack of MT availability is one reason. That and the fact that GM killed almost all of their dealers here, and the ones left are total morons. If it wasn't for pickups/SUVs, their market share for new vehicles here would be somewhere around that of Kia. I'm not kidding. They just don't get it.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,958
    the only NA engine is the 1.8l in the LS model, so you can pass on many of the better features (the luxo goodies like a moonroof, leather, power seats, etc.).

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,958
    stopped at a Chevy dealer today while out running errands. THey had 2 out front (a 2LT and an LTZ). Also had an LS that they sold.

    overall, a very nice package. Looks good, huge trunk, and plenty roomy. I am 6' and had good leg, toe and head room in the abck seat.

    Seemed pretty upscale in design and features. Seemed to be comfortable (driver's seat), but until I get it all adjusted and actually drive the car, hard to tell. But, the seat cushion seemed to be long enough (close to my Accord) for thigh support.

    one bizarre feature (a Ford trick) was a 1/2 power seat. the bottom was power, but the recline was manual, and the lever was in an awkward position. Probably not a big deal, since I rarely change that setting anyway, but still nice to have.

    a big plus was the gas tank size (15.6gal). Combined with the MPG ratings, should have a nice long cruising range. Really bugs me on some smaller cars where they have like a 12 gal tank, and aren't getting the kind of MPG to make it useful.

    sticker on the 2LT I sat in was 22.8K, the LTZ was 24K. Not cheap, and gonna face a ton of competition. And forget the sonota, the elantra is about to come out as a redesign. Same size, and probably cheaper.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    And forget the sonota, the elantra is about to come out as a redesign. Same size, and probably cheaper.

    You are right. I think the new Elantra that looks similar, but even better IMO, to the '11 Sonata is going to be huge competition for the Cruze. With the new 6 speed tranny it will be interesting to see what kind of numbers the Elantra will bring mpg wise. I think they are shooting for 40hwy.

    Then next spring the new Focus arrives. Civic and Corolla are starting to seem pretty long in the tooth and the clock is ticking for them unless they really do a turnaround. Chevy, Ford and Hyundai are really going to make inroads with these new compacts!
  • I work at a small Chevy dealer in a small town in Illinois. We just got our first Cruze today. That sucker is gorgeous!!! You can't get many GM vehicles without the automatic transmission. We rarely stock one. As I see it, here's the reason.... very few people today even know how to drive a manual transmission vehicle. We order cars that anyone can drive. Why should we limit our potential buyers?? Of course, our terrain is much different than yours in Colorado. We are flatland. This car is not intended to compete against the Sonata. If you want one....go buy one!
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    You are so correct!

    I sat in a new Cruze in a car show and it was in my opinion the best compact car I had ever seen. The early reports of how it drives are very impressive. It is quiet, refined, has an extremely high fit and finish and an extremely low N/V/H quotient. As you point out, it was not designed to compete with the Sonata which, although admirable in many ways, is far less refined and quiet on the road and with a harsher and less compliant ride than the Cruze.

    As for automatic transmissions, it always amuses me when their devotees get up on their high horses about how they wouldn't touch a car without one. I drove sticks for sixteen years straight and in fact learned to drive on one. That was in the country with open roads and no stop lights. In heavy city traffic, where I live now, a stick is a royal pain in the rear with constant shifting, poorer gas mileage and tedium.

    The new multi-gear auto transmissions are getting better every year (my remarks do not apply to the odious CVT which has been resurrected for the marginally higher fuel economy it is supposed to impart at the cost of driving fun and higher noise levels - in my opinion not worth it for the minuscule and questionable increase in fuel economy) and as the boomer generation matures and constitutes an ever higher percentage of the automotive buying public, the demand for manuals will decrease even beyond the very low levels it is at now. With the exception of a few muscle and specialty cars, there will be not nearly enough of a demand for them to make carrying them prudent or making them a wise economic move by most any car manufacturer.

    There is one more reason the Cruze is a great car. The profits from the sale of every one remain in America and do not go to South Korea or any other foreign country. People who buy cars from import manufacturers love to brag that these bring "jobs" to America because they are made there. This is a spurious argument on the whole. The overall economic impact of these arrangements is negative, however, because the amount of money lost in shifting profits overseas greatly exceeds the contribution to the American economy of having a few manufacturing plants domestically. If profits were maximized to Hyundai and others by making their cars in their own countries, they would do just that. As they are not, the cars are made in America.

    At a time when profits and profitability of every commercial concern from auto manufacturers to pretzel makers is critical to placing the economy of the United States back on a strong footing, it would behoove automobile consumers to consider the effect their purchase has on their own country. If jobs continue to be lost in America the ability of more and more folks to afford a car from anywhere will be reduced. Charity does indeed begin at home.

    I wish you every success in your representation and sale of the new Cruze. I know it will do very well for you and for GM and, quite frankly, for America.
  • chuck1919chuck1919 Posts: 176
    edited October 2010
    "People who buy cars from import manufacturers love to brag that these bring "jobs" to America because they are made there. This is a spurious argument on the whole. The overall economic impact of these arrangements is negative, however, because the amount of money lost in shifting profits overseas greatly exceeds the contribution to the American economy of having a few manufacturing plants domestically."

    Please site verification of the above statement, and not just someone's opinions .

    In addition, is the Honda Accord, Toyota Tundra, Camry, American or imports? They are manufactured here, as is many Hyundai products, as is the Sonata.

    I could care less where a car is manufactured. I want what is best for me. GM made very stupid decisions in the past. Is it my duty to prop up a company because they have made bad decisions? That is a a bad argument.
  • scottlscottl Posts: 109
    The majority of the Cruze comes from somewhere else. The majority of the Sonata comes from the US. The profit from the sale of GM products currently goes to paying off loans made by taxpayers to GM. Where did the money for the loans come from? From the sale of treasury bonds to China and Saudi Arabia. We are essentially paying off the Chinese and Saudis for saving GM.

    I don't think you want to be bringing up the US content argument when the car you are arguing for is less than 50% US-made, and the car you are arguing against is made in Alabama. Is a Chrysler a US vehicle? How about a Chrysler made in Mexico? My Chevy truck made in Canada? An Aveo made in Korea?
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited October 2010
    As in everything, there are 'degrees' of truth/reality. I wish the Cruze had more domestic content (although am told it will when the Michigan engine plant starts building the 1.4L turbo). However, I think it cannot be denied that, like it or not, GM (heck, the "Big Three") employs far more Americans, and also at suppliers, than any 'transplant' company.

    Buy what you like--that's your business--but why not compare the "hometown job" to the one made by a company that started, and continues to be headquartered, in South Korea? Not to mention, there have been some teething issues with the Sonata...look at the forums here.

    I'm itching to drive a Cruze. I stopped at a dealer about 15 miles from here and he had three LT's...the 1LT I thought was an LS--it had the plastic wheel covers...but the other 1LT had aluminum wheels as did the 2LT. I'm kind of liking the 1LT with aluminum wheels, for equipment/price ratio. I also prefer cloth seating which the 1LT has but the 2LT doesn't.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    edited October 2010
    >I don't think you want to be bringing up the US content argument

    That discussion is over here at "Buying American Cars What Does It mean?"

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.efe81db/10390

    >sale of GM products currently goes to paying off loans made by taxpayers to GM. Where did the money for the loans come from?

    Since the Cruze is made by GM this can be interpreted as relevant to the topic.

    Would you rather have had a major portion of the industry shut down as GM shut down unaided? That would have cut off suppliers for many brands of automobiles and many companies? With all the losses of manufacturing jobs, wishing for the whole economy to have gone into a real, not ficiticious, depression, costing people jobs, lives, and possibly worse is just plain cruel. Many people show little concern about portions of the USA which has suffered greatly with losses of manufacturing jobs related to automobile manufacturing the way it is. Those of us in Ohio, Michigan and other states have born terrible pain because of the loss of jobs. To have wished worse on the whole country and specifically on certain parts of the country is unthinkable.

    So is your tenet is that GM should still be closed down and dissolved because they have a small amount of money compared to that wasted by the current government and therefore there should be no Cruze, which most would describe as even better than the cars offered by other manufacturers and by GM during the 90s and 2000s? Feel free to continue this in the proper topic Buying American....

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.efe81db/10390

    I have already made my point that the Cruze is a step up from the Cobalt and the Cobalt is much more than some noisier folks wanted everyone to believe.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 796
    I've had my '06 Mazda3 s 5-door five years next month, which is two years longer than I've ever kept a car in 20 years of driving. I love it and have every intention of driving it several more years....BUT the upcoming Ford Focus looks SMOKIN' HOT!!! I knew that I'd love the 5-door from early prototype photos and I gravitate toward sport hatches also! But the 4-door Sedan is just as sharp...dare I say, it's almost SEXY!

    The Focus 4-door would totally dominate in this class next year if the 2012 Elantra wasn't so damn good looking, too! Once these models are on the market, I can't fathom Toyota selling any Corollas to retail customers....maybe they should make them a fleet-only model like the Malibu Classic was for a few years? =) God only knows what the Civic will end up looking like??? What if it shows up looking like a mini Acura-TL....that would be hilarious!

    None of these cars are serious enough driver's cars to hurt Mazda3 sales too much. Although the 3 i (entry, 2.0L models) may lose some sales to Focus and Elantra especially. Maybe Mazda will touch up the MZ3 to keep it fresh against these newcomers...and by touch up, I mean get rid of that stupid grin on the front!!!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I know where the Cruze is assembled, and know its NA parts content. I know where the Sonata is assembled, but I've never seen anyone post its NA content as per the window sticker. Does anybody really know what it is?
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I looked online, and the 2011 Sonata has 41% NA parts content...even less than current Cruzes.
  • I looked online, and the 2011 Sonata has 41% NA parts content...even less than current Cruzes.

    Yes and 100% of the vehicle profit goes back to Asia. Hyundai/Kia have made great strides but unless you get a Genisis or Equus, they drive like tin cans on wheels.

    Chevrolet built the Cruze to be a smooth and quiet "premium" small car and succeeded. The Sonota and Elantra are still too rough in NVH for me.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    I'd venture to guess other Hyundais have FAR less domestic content than the Sonata. CAmry and Accord are the domestically produced imports that have very high content. The majority of the models built here by foreign automakers have very low domestic content- they simply do final assembly here with lots of imported parts.
  • I thought this was a Cruze forum. Your post mentions almost every other compact other than the Cruze. Is it better suited for another forum??? Just curious.
  • Read the Ward's Auto Review at the link. "The Cruze is the most appealing car in it's class."

    Ward's Auto World review
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    does anybody really know what time it is??does anyone even care about time??
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,958
    has anyone actually done any serious driving to a car with the 1.4l engine? I only recall 1 test drive report, that that was on an LS.

    Should ahve taken the test drive yesterday when I was test sitting, but I know that I am not in th emarket anytime soon, so I didn't want to waste the guys time (plus have to give my personal info!). I happeneded to be the only customer in the store I think, and the salesfolks were just standing out front watching the world go by. Never even stepped into the store until the salesguy went to get a card and brochure. Never even gave more than my first name. Very low key.

    This place also had 2 GS vettes on the showroom floor. All black coupe, and yellow convertible. Both manuals, bless their hearts.

    and at least 15-20 Camaros all lined up out front.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Very funny! Thanks for the moment of irreverence!
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