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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    You can even fish out of the back of it!

    Well I might have stretched that part a little, although it's possible. Don't think I'd ever do it. We are planning to go to San Francisco this fall and probably will sleep in it one night. We're sort of excited about it. There is still a little teenager in us.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,753
    And I don't need the backache the next day.

    Pick your neighborhood carefully before parking your van. I'm very serious.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "We are planning to go to San Francisco this fall and probably will sleep in it one night. We're sort of excited about it. There is still a little teenager in us."

    Marine2,

    Don't forget to bring the all too familiar blue oval pill with you! :)
    Enjoy!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    We're thinking of doing it in one of the road side rest areas.

    I do have a question for all of you though. In Sept. six in our family, (brother, cousin and wives) are going to take a 19 day trip to Ireland, England and Scotland. Is there a chance the battery will go dead in my van and the wife's car after sitting that long? If so, what's the best thing to do to keep it from happening?
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Hyundai and Kia have merged together. So Hyundai has the Sedona minivan from Kia. The new 2006 Sedona engine is probably from Hyundai.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    There are many unsold cars in dealer lots (especially GM , Ford, Chrysler) much, much older than 19 days and they do start OK then.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I thought they had merged, but didn't want to say anything in case I was wrong.

    I also heard Suzuki merged with Mazda I think?
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Susuki is in bed with GM in some manner/percentage.

    Same with Mazda and Ford.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Hyundai is getting version of Kia Minivan a year after launch of new Sedona....just FYI
  • daedae Posts: 143
    Well, brand love and arrogance is what made GM what it is today.

    Ill conceived union contracts is what drove GM into pits.

    Honda does not seem to rest on its laurels yet and it seems to retain some will to move around. Toyota is probably more prone to exploiting reputation and loyalty, but their process is just too damn good for that to be a big issue.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I wish they were less protective of their investment in existing components and tooling though. I guess their financial position does not leave them much of a working room.

    Like any business you have to pick and choose what to focus on....should I spend $1 million on HEMI tech and cylinder deactivation? or a new multivalve engine for a Minivan? I think Chrysler is gambling that most minivan buyer are not too technically literate and it's an appliance....it starts, has automatic tranny (who cares how many gears) and rides nice and quiet....oh, and price!

    There are many engineers here in Detroit who would argue that high reving, multivalve engines are not superior to push rods, especially when you factor in high manufacturing cost. Ever notice how Japanese cars post all these high HP ratings...i.e..the Nissan with their 260hp V6s? Yet a str8 6 from BMW for example provides better performance with only 200 hp, and you're not screaming the engine to get it work. Look at GM's small block V8 in the new Vette.....400hp and 28 mpg, and 0-60 mph in 4.5 sec!!!!! The basic design is 50 years old!!!
  • daedae Posts: 143
    Yet a str8 6 from BMW for example provides better performance with only 200 hp

    It is impressive indeed. I own a 325XiT manual and wife's 330Cic (auto.. oh, the shame) and for 184 and 225 hp, they are fast. But they are not pushrod, if that's what you implied.

    This new Valvetronic is one cool solution.

    But they seem to follow the same design as the better Honda 4bangers. Naturally aspirated, easy to rev. Prior to 330 I had a Prelude, and that thing was quite nice for a FWD.

    it's an appliance

    That is true. Still folks do buy Miele and Bosch, when GE and Kenmore also does the job. Just not as well.
  • daedae Posts: 143
    Hyundai and Kia have merged together.

    Indeed. I completely missed that fact...

    Kia Motors President Chung Ui-sun, the only son of Hyundai-Kia Automotive Group Chairman Chung Mong-koo

    Don't you love the way they run business. :D
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Like any business you have to pick and choose what to focus on....should I spend $1 million on HEMI tech and cylinder deactivation? or a new multivalve engine for a Minivan?

    Correct. When you only have so much money to work with, you pick what you think the public will be most interested in buying.

    I think Chrysler is gambling that most minivan buyer are not too technically literate and it's an appliance....it starts, has automatic tranny (who cares how many gears) and rides nice and quiet....oh, and price!

    I don't think they believed that at all. They knew they didn't have the money to come out with a new van, so they figured what can we put in our existing van that would make people want to buy a lot more of them. I don't think they felt that putting a high tech engine and transmission, into a vehicle that mostly women drive, was going to give them the sales volume they wanted. They needed something that appealed to both women and men. Thus, here is Stow-n-Go.

    Come to think of it, you are right in a way. They knew a high tech engine and tranny wasn't going to win any women over. Not in a minivan.

    There are many engineers here in Detroit who would argue that high reving, multivalve engines are not superior to push rods, especially when you factor in high manufacturing cost.

    On this I agree.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    As figures seem to keep on showing. Chrysler minivans sold a all time high for the month of May. Not bad for having practically the same old body for years and years.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    The Ridgeline truck is best in its class as well even as a first year model.
    CR July 05 rated it above Tacoma, Frontier, Dakota, and Colorado.

    Same for Honda Pilot in its own class.

    Remarkable!!
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Oh! I forgot to mention CRV, Accord, Civic as also best in their own class.

    The accollades/awards of each from various sources speak for themselves.

    Now that's makes it even more remarkable!!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    It looks like a nice truck and I like the storage under the bed of the truck. I think the bed is going to be to small for a lot of truck buyers though.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Did you see where Toyota is having a lot of problems with one of their gas/electric cars with frequent stalling? I forgot the model.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    It is the Prius model that everyone is so crazy about!
    www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-06-01-prius_x.htm

    Here is an interesting article on hybrids and their extra cost payback,
    www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-05-31-hybrid-costs-usat_x.htm
  • daedae Posts: 143
    with one of their gas/electric cars with frequent stalling?

    Prius.

    Given that a modern cars has tens of thousands of line of software code in it, and Prius probably three time the average, and given the sorry state of the software engineering development practices (to that I could attest), I am sure that this kind of stuff will happen more and more often.

    I am (not) waiting when I have to upload latest software patches to my car flash rom before going to work - as I can do with my digital camera and other doodads.

    Version 3.4.125a(build 2956) - correcting an issue with ABS sensor miscalculations when AC controls are used together with cruise control.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    No surprise about Consumer Reports ratings. The BIG surprise would be to see if they ever admit that Chrysler, Ford, or GM made something nice.
    A bigger surprise is why anyone would pay CR for vehicle purchasing data that can be obtained online from Edmunds at NO COST .
    Consumer Reports is NOT RECOMMENDED for purchase. :sick:
  • daedae Posts: 143
    They knew a high tech engine and tranny wasn't going to win any women over. Not in a minivan.

    I am married to a counterexample. She got a heavy foot, though thankfully decent reflexes.

    The question was "can we get it with a V8"?

    At least I got off the hook from buying some Armada or Landcruiser and whatever else all women are driving nowdays. Odyssey was found to be "cute" in Ocean Mist.

    My kids, thankfully, do not have a say yet.

    The purchase power inflluence goes: women -> teenagers -> men in decreasing order. :)
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    The purchase power inflluence goes: women -> teenagers -> men in decreasing order

    Now dae, you have said something I can whole heartedly agree with you on.
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    Folks, a number of posts have been removed because they were off-topic and/or uncivil. That said, it's nice to see that you've gotten the topic back on track.

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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I don't think they believed that at all. They knew they didn't have the money to come out with a new van, so they figured what can we put in our existing van that would make people want to buy a lot more of them. I don't think they felt that putting a high tech engine and transmission, into a vehicle that mostly women drive, was going to give them the sales volume they wanted. They needed something that appealed to both women and men. Thus, here is Stow-n-Go.

    DCX spent a fortune on retooling the Minivan Chasis for Stow n Go. I question their use of assets though....for example, Chrysler does have a 250hp multi-valve V6 (used on the last FWD 300c). I know it fits in a minivan because Ralph Gilles (lead designer for new RWD 300c) put one in his minivan (his wife made him buy one when their first baby was born). Why not put it in a minivan??? It fits, It's tooled????

    Where I think the big 3 screw up....they do just what they think they have to, to move vehicles. Look at Fords Freestar..."hey! lets just throw in new IP, barely copy Honda's magic seat and toss in a lot of incentives". GM's "hey!! lets just throw in a new IP, throw a big ugly nose on the front and toss in a lot of incentives". My buddy who works for GM, after he saw my new DCX said this to me "ohhh our people have studied Magic Seat and Stow N Go, and most consumers don't care about it". Probably the same people who thought a driver's side sliding door wasn't desired also!!!

    I give DCX credit for trying to push the limits on features.

    The Big 3 have many many assets but they need to take the Japanese approach. Look at Honda....Oddy, MDX, Pilot, Ridgeline.....all the same platform, all the same basic engine/tranny. They dont take a "lesser" engine and toss it in low end models, ohhh they tweak/program the ECU module to produce slightly differing HP ratings.....but they're all the same. The consumer wins, and Honda increases volumes of engines built, hence lowers cost.

    DCX - take the "old" 300c V6 and put it in your Minivans - across the board!!!!! It may cost an extra $500/minivan but how much are all those incentives costing???

    Ohhh If only I ruled the land!
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Like Dae, I believe that CR should be one of the many sources to help one make an objective decision in buying a vehicle. Many trust their credibility of information as their feedback come from a much larger group(tens of thousands) of people rather from our much smaller Forum crowd.

    All these sources of information should be used to corroborate each other for veracity. If they do like in the Ody's case or any other vehicle for that matter, then it is difficult to deny that statistically.

    As always, let the accollades/awards speak for themselves.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "The purchase power inflluence goes: women -> teenagers -> men in decreasing order"

    You have learnt the art of not losing your "executive privileges at home" :)
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    I fully agree.

    The "new" GM minivan is just the "same old wolf" dressed up differently. I GM thinks that they can fool a good portion of the minivan buying public. But they are only fooling themselves!

    GM has not even considered the disappearing 3rd row seat because it would involve costly retooling of the old Montana/Silhouette/Venture body.

    Now GM wants to get rid of their unsold vehicle inventory by offerring employee discounts to the general public.

    A VERY SAD, DESPERATE CASE INDEED!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Like Dae, I believe that CR should be one of the many sources to help one make an objective decision in buying a vehicle. Many trust their credibility of information as their feedback come from a much larger group(tens of thousands) of people rather from our much smaller Forum crowd.

    I think that is true when wanting to know how your vehicle will hold up. But reading what that tester said in CU in his review of DGC, I sure could detect a lot of bias there.
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