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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,691
    You keep talking about this 6000.00 dollar price difference and I don't know where you get this?

    People read and believe this stuff, you know.

    You also don't bring up the horrific resale value Chrysler minivans have down the road. I have to deal with this on a daily basis when people want to trade them in on Odysseys.

    As far as buying a "Mr. Grill" ?? Only in these forums have I ever heard of this.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    JUST the facts. My son's 02 GC Sport got better gas mileage and was quieter than another son's 01 Ody EX. My 02 T&C LX gets better gas mileage and is quieter than the 01 Ody EX.

    Ok maybe true I have no idea how ethier of these people drive. Also get a db meter drive them down the same street and we got something. Then we have the issue talking about a 2001 ody and a 2002 chrysler, when people are looking at 2005 vehicles that are at least in the case of the Honda it is much different. ;)
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    What...you think I'm making stuff up? We already know I don't do that. ;) I'm just repeating what I read on other posts here on Edmunds, as well as past/current rebates/incentives on the various makes of minivan.

    Ask Dennistic( Post # 3991) in Honda Odyssey 2005+ about pricing. He wrote he saved $10,000 on his DGC over a comparable Ody EX. Since he has posted that figure(about 20 times) & explained how he got there, I tend to believe him.

    You throw in a 3k-4k rebate, plus 1-2k dealer financing,loyalty rebates,special incentives etc., all of that off the invoice price...and it is easy to see how a 6k price difference is possible. Though I would say for a lot of people it is ONLY about 4k-5K.

    The differences in resale is negated (90%) due to the Chrysler minis lower initial purchase price. Yes, Ody resale is good. Which is not good for those in the market for good preowned vehicles. I would not purchase a preowned Ody(or Sienna) because of it. Better off to buy new... or models 4 or 5 years old or older.

    On the Mr. Grill... I have heard Honda has been selling as many of those "Mr. Grills" as George Foreman has lean, mean grilling machines. ;)
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Some prefer to spend the extra 6 grand on image...which is fine if that is where you are in life. But, as Hans and the grand Grand Caravan gang are so fond of saying... sales numbers don't lie...or 50 million people can't be wrong...something like that.

    I have no problems with my image or what people think of me!!! I bought the odyssey for the standard safety VSC(which you can't get on DCX vans no matter how much money you have) side airbags, and superior offset crash scores. The handling and comfort are also in my opinion better. I looked on cars direct.com and a Dodge GC SXT is 23,681(No Options) and Honda Ex is 26,681. This is much closer to what normal people will get!! Dennis can post what he wants about his experience but it's unique and sets the honda at MSRP or above which is not the case at this time. BTW I checked and Honda dosen't sell anything for the Grill!!!! Are you just making it up to prove a point???
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    If you go to Chrysler's home site, they show the base Chrysler Town & Country priced at, $22,065. With employee discount, brings it down to $19,712. Then $2,000 cash allowance, brings the final total to $17,712. I would imagine if you bought the more expensive model with all the goodies on it, it would be about $6-8,000 less than sticker. As it is, you save over $5,350 on the cheaper model.

    As for Isell, I don't think your going to see that big depreciation on the Stow-n-Go vans as you saw on the others. It's not showing here like that.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    The Dodge doesn't have the VSC that you like and side airbags are optional. But the DGC SXT has a lot of stuff on it as standard that the Honda EX, also does not have but on the higher priced models or also does not offer at all. Such as elect. rear hatch, over head computer, battery saver, auto locks, signal lights that warn people coming up from behind, that someone is exiting the side doors.Cassette, plus CD, am/fm radio. Not sure if Honda offers radio controls on the steering wheel on the EX.
  • masterpaul1masterpaul1 Posts: 421
    We have a 2001 DGC EX with the 3.8L V6 with over 62K, mostly city miles, that gets between 17 to 18 MPG city and around 24 to 25 MPG Highway. Now from what I've been seeing here in Edmunds, our four year old DGC is getting about the same gas mileage as the new Honda 3.5L V6 with the VCD. Go figure.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I still have the sticker price on my DodgeGC SXT. Base sticker price was $26,680 plus $400.00 for the optional power liftgate. Brings sticker to $27,776 with $680.00 destination charge

    Besides some of the things I listed before as standard, and what usually comes standard on all vans, I won't list. This is the rest, all standard on this van.

    Four wheel disc anti lock brakes
    Traction Control
    Dual slidding doors,
    Three Zone A/C
    Power rear quarter vent windows
    Remote keyless entry with engine Immobilizer
    Leather wrapped steering wheel with radio controls
    Eight way power seat on drivers side
    Lockable storage bin under passenger's side seat
    Power, heated, fold away, outside mirrors,
    Overhead computer and universal garage door opener
    AM/FM radio, with CD and cassette and six speakers.
    Illuminated vanity mirrors
    Fog Lamps
    16 inch Aluminum wheels
    Driver's knee blocker air bag
    Cruise control
    Roof Rack
    Stow-n-Go seats
    7 year or 70,000 mile powertrain warranty.

    I take it all have power windows, door locks, automatic tranny & etc.

    I bought it back last Dec. for $23, 750.50 with zero percent financing.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    BUT...the 2004 Sienna LE WAS more responsive than the 2005 Ody EX when the accelerator was pushed hard to the floor...at any speed. ;)
    Overall I like the 2005 Ody EX better than the 2004 Sienna LE or my 2002 T&C LX....but I cannot convince myself that the 05 Ody EX is worth $27,206 vs 05 Sienna LE $24,900 vs 05 GC SXT $23,147. :confuse:
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    If you go to Chrysler's home site, they show the base Chrysler Town & Country priced at, $22,065. With employee discount, brings it down to $19,712. Then $2,000 cash allowance, brings the final total to $17,712.

    Marine this is the SWB model with no stow n go and no antilock brakes. I had a similiar van for over 4 years anybody who thinks this is a deal should know better. I've seen this same van advertised for 16K in LA. The employee discount is a great marketing hype. People think they're getting someting but cars direct was lower on most GM models than the employee discount.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Now from what I've been seeing here in Edmunds, our four year old DGC is getting about the same gas mileage as the new Honda 3.5L V6 with the VCD. Go figure

    It's VCM and thats great for you I didn't have near the experience you did!! The Honda is the best vehicle I have ever owned for my family. Love the features, not just the gas mileage!!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Marine this is the SWB model with no stow n go and no antilock brakes. I had a similiar van for over 4 years anybody who thinks this is a deal should know better. I've seen this same van advertised for 16K in LA. The employee discount is a great marketing hype. People think they're getting someting but cars direct was lower on most GM models than the employee discount.

    It's about $300.00 more saved than what I got. But I also got zero Financing.

    I knw it's the short one without S&G. Not sure how much better the discounts would be for the SXT DGC
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Marine this is the SWB model with no stow n go and no antilock brakes. I had a similiar van for over 4 years anybody who thinks this is a deal should know better. I've seen this same van advertised for 16K in LA. The employee discount is a great marketing hype. People think they're getting someting but cars direct was lower on most GM models than the employee discount

    Nice thing.....Some people can't afford $24k for a new Oddy/DCX van, so what are they suppose to do? Buy a 2000 Oddy with 80k, questionable tranny and history or a new DCX van with warranty, better finance than used?
  • masterpaul1masterpaul1 Posts: 421
    Thanks for the correction. I was already typing my message when I thought about the VCM and couldn't remember the letters. So I guess in away, I made up something. Variable Cylinder De activation = VCD. I love our van, how it rides and all it's features. The 2005 Ody. is a very nice van, but if I had a choice between the two. I would stick with our 01 DGC EX. The only things that I would like to have on our van that is not a need is VSC, entertainment system, right side power sliding door, trip computer, automatic load leveling system and nav. system. I can have all of these installed on our van except the VSC, right side power sliding door and trip computer.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    What...you think I'm making stuff up? We already know I don't do that. I'm just repeating what I read on other posts here on Edmunds, as well as past/current rebates/incentives on the various makes of minivan.

    Ask Dennistic( Post # 3991) in Honda Odyssey 2005+ about pricing. He wrote he saved $10,000 on his DGC over a comparable Ody EX. Since he has posted that figure(about 20 times) & explained how he got there, I tend to believe him.

    You throw in a 3k-4k rebate, plus 1-2k dealer financing,loyalty rebates,special incentives etc., all of that off the invoice price...and it is easy to see how a 6k price difference is possible. Though I would say for a lot of people it is ONLY about 4k-5K.

    The differences in resale is negated (90%) due to the Chrysler minis lower initial purchase price. Yes, Ody resale is good. Which is not good for those in the market for good preowned vehicles. I would not purchase a preowned Ody(or Sienna) because of it. Better off to buy new... or models 4 or 5 years old or older.

    On the Mr. Grill... I have heard Honda has been selling as many of those "Mr. Grills" as George Foreman has lean, mean grilling machines.


    Yeah, I admit I'm in a slightly different boat (Ugh....Detroit :) but $5k is easily doable. I also think the Oddy resale is going to be effected by poor quality and recalls. I don't see much proof of the much touted "Honda Responsiveness" on these issues. Least they could do is throw in Mr. Grill with each purchase!!

    We could go on for days with "My van has this, your's doesn't" even with safety systems like DCX's knee airbags, or Honda's stability control.

    Of course "Isellhondas" doesn't want people to realize there's a huge price difference between the two. What Honda salesperson would want that known?
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Yeah, I admit I'm in a slightly different boat (Ugh....Detroit but $5k is easily doable. I also think the Oddy resale is going to be effected by poor quality and recalls. I don't see much proof of the much touted "Honda Responsiveness" on these issues. Least they could do is throw in Mr. Grill with each purchase!!

    Dennis you know and I know only a small amount of the Odyssey sold have recalls. Do I have to post the numbers again?? The price difference if you get something close to the EX in the SXT is about 3 grand!! Look at TMV carsdirect or Dodge website and copare to prices paid on this site. There is no Mr. Grill available so please stop pushing that junk. Look back at initial quality from JD powers for the odyssey since 1999 it's really never been great. But the wierd thing is look at long term quailty of the same year it's top notch. Now there's a car company that stands behind there vehicles. Not like I had to stand behind my Intrepid at just over 50,000 miles to push it off the road.

    We could go on for days with "My van has this, your's doesn't" even with safety systems like DCX's knee airbags, or Honda's stability control.

    This is what we are debating here. BTW I think Hans should buy a Dodge SXT it's his kind of vehicle!!! 50 million people can't be wrong can they???
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Well the Honda is Edmunds most wanted consumer and editor. Also the TCO of the EX for 5 years is 39,500 and the Dodge SXT is 45,000. So there's a way to get your money back. Pay me now or pay me later. I've had zero problems with my van. The initial quaility is great.

    I wonder if Edmunds takes into account ALL variables...i.e...Rebates, Financing. I don't think they do.

    I've also had zero problems with my van and initial quality is great!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Edmunds provides a great service in providing pricing data on new and used vehicles. However, Edmunds does NOT use the discounted pricing of new DC minivans. (My post will probably be deleted for obvious reasons). And as with any other pricing guide for used vehicles, Edmunds uses a percentage factor for any model of a particular brand applied across the board to the MSRP instead of using the actual vehicle content.
    All said, Edmunds is still THE BEST SOURCE for data ;)
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    There is no Mr. Grill available so please stop pushing that junk.

    Sorry Socalawd and other Honda owners, here's the posting to help you guys order Mr. Grill and save a $800 repair bill! Just being helpful here!!!

    #459 of 514 Grille insert for 2005 Ody by rsblaski Jun 17, 2005 (6:39 pm)
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    A big thank you to jjtrindc for his info regarding Mr. Grille.
    I just ordered the grille insert and will get 2 day UPS delivery for only $12 more.
    You can find Mr. Grille with a simple search. Their phone # is 951-279-4360.
    Having had one condensor replaced already, I figure $99 is cheap insurance against an $800+ repair (which Desert Honda, Las Vegas graciously picked up without my even asking).
    We are taking a really long trip, picking up the grandkids in Wisconsin, driving to Florida to visit my mom and then to Disneyworld for a week.
    On the way, we will stop at Mammoth Cave and Stone Mountain.
    After that, a few more days with mom, then home to Nevada until we take the kids back home in August.
    We'll probably log 10,000 miles in all, but it will give us a chance to spend time with the grandkids and have them visit with my mom.

    FYI - I in no way, shape or form am endorsing Mr. Grill, since my DCX van doesn't need one. :P
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    THANKS for the posting. I like the 2005 Ody EX even though the 2004 Sienna LE had more pep. I was ready to place a deposit on a NEW 2006 Ody EX but the memory of the more exhilarating performance of the Sienna LE was too over powering...especially after reading the posts by mac on the outstanding power of the Ody. ;)
    I will write down the data on Mr. Grille to protect my new 2006 Odyssey if I don't get a Sienna LE or XLE because of the Sienna more responsive engine and transmission.
    There would be no question on which minivan to buy if the Denver Region would sell the Sienna XLE without the stupid, over priced, mandatory option groups. :cry:
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    Folks, a number of posts were removed this evening for being off-topic/disrespectful. Please remember that this is the "Odyssey vs. Dodge/Chrysler Minivan Discussion"... not the "Odyssey Owners vs. Dodge/Chrysler Minivan Owners Spitting Contest." Posts that continue to disrupt the discussion will be removed.

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  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "You keep talking about this 6000.00 dollar price difference and I don't know where you get this?

    People read and believe this stuff, you know.

    You also don't bring up the horrific resale value Chrysler minivans have down the road. I have to deal with this on a daily basis when people want to trade them in on Odysseys."

    ISell: It is obvious that some folks have never attended the class, "Economics 101", that addresses the law of Supply and Demand!
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "We have a 2001 DGC EX with the 3.8L V6 with over 62K, mostly city miles, that gets between 17 to 18 MPG city and around 24 to 25 MPG Highway. Now from what I've been seeing here in Edmunds, our four year old DGC is getting about the same gas mileage as the new Honda 3.5L V6 with the VCD. Go figure."

    For the same gas mileage with 40+ more HP in the Ody. Now that's remarkable!!
    This is another positive performance differentiator!
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "This is what we are debating here. BTW I think Hans should buy a Dodge SXT it's his kind of vehicle!!! 50 million people can't be wrong can they??? "

    TOTALLY AGREE! It is like an older married man(wife is DGC SXT) lusting for a sexy, lusty woman(Ody EX), but realize that he does not have the energy, assets and similar interests to keep her happy.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    "This is what we are debating here. BTW I think Hans should buy a Dodge SXT it's his kind of vehicle!!! 50 million people can't be wrong can they??? "

    TOTALLY AGREE! It is like an older married man(wife is DGC SXT) lusting for a sexy, lusty woman(Ody EX), but realize that he does not have the energy, assets and similar interests to keep her happy.


    Soooo Sad Guys!!!, if you truly think any minivan sexy or lusty!!!! Let alone a Japanese car.....they aren't known for their timeless styling! When was the last time you lusted after an old Supra or something???
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    "You keep talking about this 6000.00 dollar price difference and I don't know where you get this?

    People read and believe this stuff, you know.

    You also don't bring up the horrific resale value Chrysler minivans have down the road. I have to deal with this on a daily basis when people want to trade them in on Odysseys."

    ISell: It is obvious that some folks have never attended the class, "Economics 101", that addresses the law of Supply and Demand!


    Try checking with your local DCX dealer, add the employee pricing and cash incentives, plus what dealers are willing to add......$6000 is very doable!!!! Ohh you could also go to other areas of this forum and see it too.

    There should be no Supply and Demand issues any more with Oddys, since Honda brought up a second plant ..... should be plenty of capacity.

    Take the $6000, put it in a bank earning just 5%/year.....in 5 years you have $7500, add that to the "horrific resale" and see which horse wins. Take the $6000 and blow it on a family vacation with timeless memories.

    Ohhh another point, what Honda dealers actually want used DCX vans sitting on their used car lots??? NONE! Same for DCX dealers. So of course Isellhondas will give lowest possible trade in.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    The statement was used as an analogy! I am not sure if some folks get it.

    Think more about the present.

    Lexus SC430, 350Z or even the rear end of the Quest for some - curvy lines, sensuous, etc

    Now think about the present Aztec from Pontiac today .... YUCK!

    But then Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Just look at your partner.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Think more about the present.

    Lexus SC430, 350Z or even the rear end of the Quest for some - curvy lines, sensuous, etc

    Now think about the present Aztec from Pontiac today .... YUCK!

    But then Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Just look at your partner.


    Key point "Present"......i'm thinking longer term. I think German cars, by far, exhibit timeless stying, with Detroit coming in second and Japan third. Personally, I can look at mid 80s BMW and still see a sharp looking car. Then I see an old Supra or Celica and wonder who designed it, especially since the Japanese have had CA design studios since the late 70s!!
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    It is only when the American designers had more say/influence in Japanese designs for western use that we see the changes to our tastes.

    Relatively, Hyundai and others did not have to go through that long evolution vs the Japanese. The 2006 Sonata, by copying some lines from other cars like Accord, etc is a good example.

    Another analogy. German cars, relative to Japanese or even American cars for that matter, are like men who have faithful wives but seek out/keep mistresses who require high maintenance. And it is true - these expensive cars have the lowest reliability ratings and require high maintenance!
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "Take the $6000, put it in a bank earning just 5%/year.....in 5 years you have $7500, add that to the "horrific resale" and see which horse wins. Take the $6000 and blow it on a family vacation with timeless memories. "

    For those of us who enjoy drivng a good handling sporty vehicle daily, that $6K, if it exists for feature to feature comprison/equivalency, pales in comparison to the extra driving enjoyment for those of us who are at that end of the driving preference spectrum.

    "Ohhh another point, what Honda dealers actually want used DCX vans sitting on their used car lots??? NONE! Same for DCX dealers. So of course Isellhondas will give lowest possible trade in."

    It's human nature as well as for a business because it is run by humans. A business with superior performing products has little/no interest in selling lower performing products. However if a customer(a wannabee for a better product) comes in and cannot afford the more expensive product, a savvy salesman would sell him a cheaper lower performing product if he can make a good profit on it. :P
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