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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    I wonder how many people actually use the sliding door windows on the Honda/Mazda/Toyota? Seems with windows open and passengers in place, it's be windy and noisy?

    We use ours mainly for pre-cooling the vehicle quickly. You can roll all the windows down with the remote, so normally when it's hot I hit the button from the house/store/etc. so the windows are all down for a bit before we load up. With those huge windows down, it seems to help a lot.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    both have power sliding doors both sides...but DC power doors are much better designed than the Ody.

    What's the difference?? I don't recall anything standing out when I was comparing them.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    DC power sliding doors can be opened and closed manually very easily with no damage to the mechanism while other power sliding doors are difficult to open without using the power mechanism and the power mechanism can be damaged in the Ody if opened or closed manually.
    Something related to location of the motor for the power sliding doors.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Something related to location of the motor for the power sliding doors.

    I think I've read that the motors are actually IN the DCX doors.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168

    We use ours mainly for pre-cooling the vehicle quickly.


    I open both doors and rear power hatch completely via keyfob and crack sunroof.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    The Ody also has a switch to turn the power sliders off and they close the same as any other manual minivan doors.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    We did the same in our 2000 Odyssey (power doors opening, I mean). The only problem was that the neighbor's dog had a habit of trying to get in the car when we did this from inside the house before we left. With our Accord and my aunt's 2005 Odyssey, it is much easier and safer to roll down the windows with the remote than to open the doors. It also leaves the interior lights turned off, while opening the doors turns them on (yes I realize that they will turn off after a few minutes)
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    minicoopercat asked for advice

    He's on this forum he posted on 10/8 he's probably seen 10 conversations here about the almighty Odyssey Problems and Solutions Forum. I believe he's already looked there, if not I'd be very suprised. :blush:

    I resent the remarks about DCX owners not being able to or caring to post about their problems.

    You shouldn't just a matter of simple logic. You get three times as many posts per/day on the problem and solution page from a van that gets better CR ratings and has better customer satisfaction. Which may have 800,000 vans on the road. Now DCX has 10 million do you really think that is the right ratio. Some people use the internet and some don't.

    read both problem forums, and only post when someone deliberately slams DCX vans.

    I thought you were answering minicoopercat did he slam DCX vans??

    My answer to why are there so many pricing posts on the Odyssey prices paid forum is not many Honda dealers want to deal, so if you want a Honda you have to search to find the "best" price. DCX dealers are willing to discount so you don't have to chase all over a city or states to get a "fair" price.

    Oh I go into the dealership and just hope they give me a fair price. Wow this makes sense to me. I should really not research anything and hope to be given a good deal every time! I feel very enlightened. BTW I always want the BEST PRICE!!!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    How did you find 33 posts for me in the "Honda Ody Owners Problem" area?

    Just do a search under dennisctc of the forum it will give you posts you've been involed in. The total number is post you made and responses. I think this is fair because people wouldn't have posted without your initial post.
    Have A Great Day!
    Tom
  • I am a car person and I do notice little things that tend to become annoyances over time. I'm also not a person who keeps a car for a long time. Between the wife and I, we've been through 7 new cars in the last 5 years.

    The biggest thing keeping me from buying the Ody is the price. Because of my situation, I'd have to pay at least $1K higher than the average buyer. Upon further calculations, the difference between the T&C and similarly equipped Ody would be more like $6-8K. That's harder to justify, especially since I do like the features the Chrysler has to offer.

    I have driven the Chrysler. I wasn't really disappointed, it drove good, as I expected really. I'm hoping to get a chance to drive the Honda soon. Until then, I can just continue to compare specs, styling and user opinions. Thanks to everyone for the replies and valuable information ~
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Since you go thru vehicles almost as fast as they can make them (roughly every 8 and a half months) the Honday Ody would end up costing you less than the Chrysler due to it's much higher resale value. But, if you can buy a better (?) minivan for $6-8K less... then that may be the way to go.

    Don't know what situation you'd have to be in to pay $1k higher than the average buyer,unless you're in some type of trouble with the IRS, or your best friend is a car salesman who won't give you a good deal... but heck...we're curious folks here at Edmunds...don't be a tease...be a cool cat and tell us whats up with you having to pay $1K more for your Ody. :cry:
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    How about a lease?? You sound like the type who could use one. The DCX vans have some good lease deals. The Honda dosen't do too well in this area because of demand. Also you can use the rebates to pay for the starting fees.I think the differance is like $100 a month. I would never do it myself, but for some people it makes good sense.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Do all Chrysler owners carpool to the Sarcasm society together, or go seperately?

    Now I don't speak for every DCX owner, but in Detroit (The Motor City) the Sarcasm Society holds sessions at the dealership while our vehicles are being completely rebuilt to go another 1000 miles before something else breaks!

    Can DCX owners bring a visitor/driver of a different brand? Ha... I'm actually pretty sarcastic myself, so its all in good fun.

    I think I heard of a similar support group at Ford, called FOA (Freestar owners anonymous). There was only one member though, because no one else bought the darned things!
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    There are about 4300 posts in the Chrysler minivan problem discussions and about 5700 posts in the Odyssey problems discussion. If you'd like to take part in those discussions, you can find them in the Vans & Minivans Forum list. If you'd like to compare/contrast the features of the Odyssey and DCX Minivans (and maybe give minicoopercat the advice he's looking for), this is the place to do it. If you'd like to bicker and snipe about who posted what, where, how many times, and what their secret agenda might be, take it to email.

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  • Since you go thru vehicles almost as fast as they can make them (roughly every 8 and a half months)

    Not quite, we try to keep them at least a year, but that's one for each of us. However, I would like to find a vehicle (at least for the wife) that she could keep for a few years.

    Don't know what situation you'd have to be in to pay $1k higher than the average buyer,unless you're in some type of trouble with the IRS, or your best friend is a car salesman who won't give you a good deal

    I live overseas and I'm not able to get any deals on the Honda, in fact, I have to pay about a $1K premium to get it. With the Chrysler, I still can't get as great as deal as most of you but with rebates and/or EP, I can get fairly close. Of course, shipping is an additional charge with both vehicles.
  • How about a lease?? You sound like the type who could use one. The DCX vans have some good lease deals.

    Unfortunately with living overseas, leasing is not an option.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    In terms of "resale" be careful to understand exactly what that means. The Ody will return a higher cash value because it costs more to begin with.

    Refer back to my post #4794 and before. In actuality you have to spend almost double the money for the Ody to realize a cash advantage of the Dodge.

    Regards,
    Dusty
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Hi Minicooper,
    looks like it's time for a leap of faith I would say it pretty close with the bad deal you get overseas. I went to kelly Blue book to find the info Dusty had because all my sources say for comparable models the Ody returns more dollars in trade in differance after 5 than the diffearance in initial price.

    A ody Ex with a MSRP of 28745.00 and a NCBBV of 27595.00 has a Cost of ownership over 5 years of 31,510.00

    A Chrysler Town and country Touring with a MSRP of 28,485.00 and a NCBBV of26,262.00.

    Had a 5 year ownership of 34,202.00 so the cost of owning a Touring for 5 years is estimated at almost 2700.00 more even it was 1300 dollars less to purchase.
    The main differance being depreciation.

    You can look at TCO or best resale value all sources will tell ya Honda Odyssey equiped similarly will give you a better ownership value.

    link title
  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    Whats wrong with the T&C navagation? I use it all the time and works great. It may not be voice activated or have a large screen but it doesnt cost 2K either. Who stares at the navigation screen anyway? It gives you voice prompts over the stereo speakers.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    In all curiousity, how much does it cost to get navi on the DCX van? How big is the screen? I've never seen it on one before! Thanks for the info. ;)
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I went out and purchased a Garmin c330 GPS for $700. It's portable, has voice prompts and goes from car to car with me. Don't use it all too often. The current DCX unit didn't seem worth $1400, considering its small screen, and mounting position in IP. It's definitely an after thought i.e...."OMG, Honda and Toyota offer GPS, we've got to have something!"

    Years ago, in the DCX test garage, I saw a Caravan outfitted with new IP and integrated GPS....much like the Honda with the extra hood on top of IP. This was about 2000!! It looked production intent, guess it wasn't. It might have been a supplier mockup (Yazaki) to show capability, sell IP assembly to DCX.
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    T&C Touring: Navigation radio is $1430 MSRP. It does require you to get the rear video screen, and includes the 6-disc CD/DVD changer. The group is $2580 total. Or, the Signature Series is $4170 and includes the above plus leather & sunroof for $5575 of content.

    The screen is small, though. Like, 5".
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    When we were shopping, the T&C nav was a step backward even from my several year old Garmin 2610. I have my portable but wanted an integrated system for this vehicle. The Ody NAV has a huge screen (larger than the nav in my wifes GX470), touch screen controls with voice activation (which also control HVAC, radio, etc.), and overall it just looked/worked extremely well. The screen is also well placed, high in the dash where it should be. The T&C is tucked down below which is great if you like looking at your feet while driving. I don't really use the NAV a lot for telling me how to get somewhere. We dabble in real estate and it's handy to see what roads are nearby and where they lead. The onboard yellow pages are handy, as well as looking ahead on the map to find fuel/food and other attractions.

    The T&C system reminded me of some very early NAV systems, I think DC found a container load of these somewhere and thought they'd stick them in the T&C. Of course the NAV offered on my Dodge Ram was horrible as well. It required loading the DVD just to map something, and taking it out if you want to listen to music. And they thought I was going to pay $1,500 for that??

    The $2,000 for the Ody NAV also includes a rear backup camera.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    That huge bump where NAV goes stands out like a sore thumb in the Ody LX, EX, or EX-L. :sick:
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    That huge bump where NAV goes stands out like a sore thumb in the Ody LX, EX, or EX-L.

    I thing the dash looks good. I just got done putting some 303 on it and was thinking how good it looks. Again another thing where some like it and some don't. ;)
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    That huge bump where NAV goes stands out like a sore thumb in the Ody LX, EX, or EX-L.

    I'd say Honda did a much better job on the styling/execution of the new Civic with NAV. It looks a lot cleaner, blends in etc....

    Now that I have the Garmin GPS, i believe they're more of a gimmick and regret buying mine even. $1400 or $2000 is too much for a sometime usual gadget, unless you might use it for job etc...
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    That huge bump where NAV goes stands out like a sore thumb

    That is opinion. My opinion is that is stays close to the windshield (line of sight) so I dont have to avert my eyes far from the road. Quite handy!
  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    I agree. I wouldn't have opted for NAV if I had to pay 1K - 2K. It came bundled with the signature series T&C which is a good package value in my opinion. That being said, I do use it more than I expected and it's a nice gadget to have in an unfamiliar city. Ody owners tout the 9" rear video and better featured NAV compared to the T&C. I have absolutely no complaints about the NAV and the kids havent complained about the 7" video screen to date. When I went out shopping for vans I looking for an Ody or Sienna but the value of the T&C sold me. With a 2K rebate, afiliate rewards pricing, and 0% interest for 5 years my T&C was a bundle less than a comparable Ody or Sienna. If I was able to pay cash the gap would have narrowed and I may have opted for the Ody or Sienna. But I dont have 30K+ cash to lay down.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    But I dont have 30K+ cash to lay down.

    When you get talking $30k-$40k for a minivan, you lose me! For that kinda money there are many options available, even Acura's MDX etc...
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    I have absolutely no complaints about the NAV and the kids havent complained about the 7" video screen to date.

    I'm sure it fine. As for the 7 inch screen most kids won't complain. There just happy they have something. But it is 65% more surface area. And that's a very good thing for my son who sits way back.

    When I went out shopping for vans I looking for an Ody or Sienna but the value of the T&C sold me. With a 2K rebate, afiliate rewards pricing, and 0% interest for 5 years my T&C was a bundle less than a comparable Ody or Sienna. If I was able to pay cash the gap would have narrowed and I may have opted for the Ody or Sienna. But I dont have 30K+ cash to lay down

    Yes it's nice to get a good deal. I do think I got a good value on my Ody. I really enjoy the car and the price was well worth it.
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