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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    All,

    I am trying to buy a Grand Caravan SXT here in IN. I read from other messages on this forum that Dodge still has a $5000 rebate although when I go to dodge.com all that I see they are offering currently is $2,500 rebate and $1,000 for thru the end of November. I've been dealing with a sales person who is offering $22,500 for the van which he says is about $100 less than inventory cost (with the rebate). Of course I made an offer of $19,500 which they thought I was crazy. Maybe I am crazy.. but I know there is a mark up on new vehicles.

    Can someone here point me exactly where I need to go, what site to get this $5,000 rebate that I'm sure they aren't going to tell me about? I'm looking at a base Grand Caravan SXT with Stow-n-Go with Power Adjustable Pedals and that's it. Any suggestions on what I can offer reasonably and get it from them. I am in no hurry to buy so I can play the game.

    I appreciate any help anyone can give on this subject. Thank you!


    I'm currently at the Dodge.com website.....go to Caravan section and click on BUILD & PRICE. As of this am, there is a $2500 Cash Rebate AND $3039 Employee Discount if you finance. This would bring price to $22,486 before taxes for DCX DGC SXT w/adjust pedals.

    If you lease, you can get an additional $1000 "loyalty Cash Rebate" (I guesss only if you have a Dodge currently, but I didn't bother to check details for you :) Towards the end of the year you might get cash back from year end. I wouldn't accept the $5539 as best you can do. Dealers also have leeway with pricing so shop around some
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I'm currently at the Dodge.com website.....go to Caravan section and click on BUILD & PRICE. As of this am, there is a $2500 Cash Rebate AND $3039 Employee Discount if you finance. This would bring price to $22,486 before taxes for DCX DGC SXT w/adjust pedals.

    I'm wondering if this is zip code specific??? I use 48326 to config one! Hmmmm....
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    DCX van incentives for November 2005:

    2005 $3000 rebate
    2006 $2500 rebate

    $1000 bonus cash for either year
    $1000 lease loyalty for either year if you currently are leasing any DCX product and lease this DCX van. You do not have to turn in the other DCX vehicle to claim this.

    DCX employees have 2 of their employee prices to give out to anyone, called employee choice. Find one of those emplyees like Dennice did a year ago and you save $3k off a base DGC SXT, and you get the $3.5k in rebates on an 06. Also, many dealers in Detroit are selling for $1-2k below the employee price, so there is room to give. I saw an ad in yesterday's newspaper with for a 2006 T&C Touring for $19,500. I haven't seen any Dodge ads for minivans this month. I'm sure Sunday's paper will be interesting.
  • Okay.. I appreciate everything each of you has added. You guys are good, real good.

    So it sounds like if I want the other $3,039 in rebates... total of $5539 I need to finance thru Dodge. Do I have to do this thru the website or can I do that at the dealer? What happens if I finance thru Dodge/Dealer and then pay it off as soon as I get my first bill. I mean I am wanting to pay this off in full, but I'm not going to tell them that. Will they honor that or do they care?

    Okay.. who's Deniece (ha ha) and how can I find someone who will give me one of their employee discounts.. anyone know of anyone or a website where I can find someone?

    Here's an update on last nights adventure to a different dealer. Funny, they dropped that 22,500 figure to 22,000 for invoice.. an automatic $500 drop in price. Plus in KY (across the river) I don't have to pay Tire taxes from IN which is another $80 than if I bought it here in IN. Crazy..

    So let me recap, if dealer is offering 22,000 which already includes the $2,500 in rebates and destination fee, if I deduct $3039 from that for financing thru them it's $18,961 not including State taxes. Correct? Then if I can find some employee to give me one of their 2 employee discounts it's an extra $3,000 off of that. Sound right?

    Thanks again for all your help.. I'll try to check back on this on Monday morning.
  • Just got off the phone with the dealer I've been working with in KY.. he said the refiance of the $3,039 thru dodge is not still happening. That is unless I have to do it thru Dodge/Chrysler?

    But the $3K employee discount is a great deal if I can find someone to give me one of their 2 vouchers. Lucky me.. who would be so nice. :)
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Dodge salesman told me during the summer that you must make 4 monthly payments before you can pay off the loan through DaimlerChrysler with no penalty.
    You can also finance just a portion of the total to get the financing discount. ;) Ask your friendly Dodge dealer for more details.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,929
    That Chrysler has to keep offering these rebates in order for their product to sell. Once a company starts this, they can never stop.

    Of course, the MSRPS are inflated in order for this to happen. No free lunches out there.

    The domestics have created a monster that they now have to live with.
  • I did but the employee discounts are no longer happening since Oct 3rd, 2005. So unless someone else knows where I can get this finance from (other than thru the dealer) I'm thinking I can't get it.

    He did tell me you had to make 4 payments which is cool but he didn't say you only have to finance a portion.. that's nice to know. The lower I finance, the better incase they charge me interest on it for those 4 months which I'm sure they do.
  • You are correct.. why list a car for 33K and then sell it for 22K, no rhyme or reason there. No wonder customers don't trust dealers.

    They have created a monster but they probably sold alot of vehicles they wouldn't have had they not done it. Thing is I haven't bought a new car in 8 years, this being my 2nd ever and I have to do all of this work just to protect myself from being robbed. That's sad.. Really it's sad that people can't post an honest prices and the customer pay it.
  • So go to dodge.com and do it there? Then how does the dealer deal with that since they say it's not going on?
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    Dennis, Dennice, sorry!

    As far as I know there is no incentive in November to finance through Chrysler Financial.

    They don't always sell for $10k off MSRP, and it is a limited number of people. DCX rasied prices for a certain group of people during EP for everyone and had a record July for minivans.

    I know employees who have not given their discounts away, but there is no solicitation on here. I'm sorry.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Compare MSRP for GC SXT with Odd EX and compare the features. At MSRP, the GC SXT provides more nice features and with any discount, the GC SXT advantage just increases. ;)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,929
    Drive both, then decide.

    You will lose anything you "save" down the road when you try to unload your Chrysler.

    I know...I have to deal with this.

    Actually because of the extreme depreciation, they can be great buys as two year olds!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    NEVER buy any vehicle as all will depreciate to almost nothing. :blush:
    Do NOT buy a new DaimlerChrysler minivan unless you want the most comfort and convenience items for the lowest price. ;)
    If you want the MOST power in a minivan, buy the Odyssey.
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    How much difference is there "down the road"? MSRP for DGC SXT or T&C Touring vs. Ody EX is very close for similar features. However, if I can get a new 2006 T&C Touring for $19k and a Ody Ex for $26k, at what point is the Ody a better value? How many 2005 DCX StoNGo vans do you deal with? What price range are you paying for them?
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    NEVER buy any vehicle as all will depreciate to almost nothing.

    Some WAY faster then others.

    Do NOT buy a new DaimlerChrysler minivan unless you want the most comfort and convenience items for the lowest price.

    I love the comfort of the Odyssey didn't like the Dodges seats. I remember you saying the stow and go seats weren't comfortable. . Really a matter of what you need the van to do! I have no use for stow and go. While some people use it once a week.

    If you want the MOST power in a minivan, buy the Odyssey.

    And the most standard safety. Standard side airbags and VSC for all.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    How much difference is there "down the road"? MSRP for DGC SXT or T&C Touring vs. Ody EX is very close for similar features. However, if I can get a new 2006 T&C Touring for $19k and a Ody Ex for $26k, at what point is the Ody a better value? How many 2005 DCX StoNGo vans do you deal with? What price range are you paying for them?

    Matter how long down the road. Also the 19K you saw was for a teaser ad. TMV for a 2006 T&C touring right now with no options is $24,683(thats with the rebate). TMV for the EX is 27,988 so like 3300.00 dollar diferance on average.
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    Actually, not a teaser ad. I can lease a 2006 T&C Touring w/ center console the only option for 2 years for $3350 one time payment with a residual buyout of $15.7k. $19k total w/ additionl tax on $15.7k as the $3350 includes taxes. Not everyone can get that, but I can. TMV means little to me in this case because TMV is not my price. So, let each person evaluate base on his selling price what the better value is.

    Invoice - $3500 in rebates for T&C Touring = ~$23k. Anyone should be able to get that price.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    How much difference is there "down the road"? MSRP for DGC SXT or T&C Touring vs. Ody EX is very close for similar features. However, if I can get a new 2006 T&C Touring for $19k and a Ody Ex for $26k, at what point is the Ody a better value? How many 2005 DCX StoNGo vans do you deal with? What price range are you paying for them?

    Checking the Dodge website and using a PA Zipcode there's still $5539 available. $3039 EP discount and $2500 cash rebate until end of Nov. TMV means nothing in real world because they don't keep up with incentives and the market. Just reviewing the latest Dodge GC TMV, it shows only the rebate and not the EP pricing that's listed on the Dodge webpage. There's also no mention of the $1000 Loyalty bonus. You really need to deal with real dealers..Honda and DCX, I wouldn't put too much faith in some of these online car buying sites.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    YES, I have written and still think the Odyssey EX (cloth)has the most comfortable 2nd row seats for 2006 model year. Sienna and Ody front seats are equally comfortable and just slightly more comfortable than the 2005/2006 GC SXT. I think my 02 T&C LX 2nd and 3rd row seats are just as comfortable as the Ody 2nd and 3rd row seats although the front seats of my 02 T&C LX are not.
    The 2006 Sienna LE has a much more attractive interior than either the 2006 Odd EX or 2006 GC SXT.
    The Odd EX (cloth) costs too much more than a GC SXT or Sienna LE for me. The Odd EX does NOT have the overhead console with the nice features of my lower priced 02 T&C LX and last time I looked, the Odd EX does NOT have all controls on the doors lighted, no heating coils at base of windshield, automatic locking doors that are on my T&C. Sadly, DC eliminated some of these items from the current minivans. :cry:
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Checking the Dodge website and using a PA Zipcode there's still $5539 available. $3039 EP discount and $2500 cash rebate until end of Nov. TMV means nothing in real world because they don't keep up with incentives and the market. Just reviewing the latest Dodge GC TMV, it shows only the rebate and not the EP pricing that's listed on the Dodge webpage. There's also no mention of the $1000 Loyalty bonus. You really need to deal with real dealers..Honda and DCX, I wouldn't put too much faith in some of these online car buying

    Sure even when I use a PA Zip tried 15001-15020 only shows 3500 off max thats if you get the 1000 loyalty cash so you non DCX guys no soup for you(only 2500)!!. Now in Ca only 2500 off. I've been trying to find the EP price for a long time but still don't see it on 2006 vans. The TMV and the cars direct are great places to look for good car deals. Of course some people won't like it cause it dosen't fit there story. Also I don't put any faith in the prices I hear in these forums!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Actually, not a teaser ad. I can lease a 2006 T&C Touring w/ center console the only option for 2 years for $3350 one time payment with a residual buyout of $15.7k. $19k total w/ additionl tax on $15.7k as the $3350 includes taxes. Not everyone can get that, but I can. TMV means little to me in this case because TMV is not my price. So, let each person evaluate base on his selling price what the better value is.

    So no payments for 2 years?? upfront 3350.00 residual 15.7K I see no payments. What are they? then you find the real price. If what you say about TMV is true. Then what anybody pays for there car means very little because it's not somebody elses price.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    last time I looked, the Odd EX does NOT have all controls on the doors lighted,

    What do you mean by "all controls"? The only switch IS lit up, the power window switch. Is the power window switch on the DCX lit?...wait, never mind ;) . I am assuming that you refer to the DCX's button for the power door? I also assume you that the odyssey only has a handle to pull, something kind of hard to light up.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    DC minivans have 5 separate controls on the driver's door for power windows each front door and for each opening rear side window plus the power door locks and ALL are lighted on my 2002 T&C LX.
    Oh, yes, DC minivans power doors also lock automatically...a nice feature Honda has not yet copied. The Odyssey also lacks a quality stereo that is standard on DC minivans.

    The Odyssey needs a new slogan: "Pay more, get less". :sick:
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    The Odd EX does NOT have the overhead console with the nice features of my lower priced 02 T&C LX and last time I looked, the Odd EX does NOT have all controls on the doors lighted, no heating coils at base of windshield, automatic locking doors that are on my T&C. Sadly, DC eliminated some of these items from the current minivans.

    The Ody EX has infloor lockable storeage, I think all the door switches are lit. It also has startard side airbags! 8 passenger seating and VSC things that sadly DCX van don't have available at all. Heating coils at the base of the front windshield is not a big deal in the OC. Also there is a mirror /sunglass holder to watch the kids. With the EX-l there's heated seats and side mirrors. Also a sunroof. I guess is all about what you value. I'd rather pay a few more dollars to get what I really want! I think most people would. Did you see Ody is again the 2006 editors most wanted? Oh do they have a headrest or a 3 point belt in the center rear seat now in the DCX vans?? There are alot of things standard on the Ex that are optionial on the SXT. Thanks for pointing some of the SXT ones that aren't on the EX. Other things standard on the Ody EX not on the DGC SXT(or they are a option) are 5 speed automatic/manual side window shades/driver lumbar control/seatback storage/cargo net/cargo tie downs/interior air filtration/external temp/remote anti theft alarm system/6 cd player and the stuff I mentioned earlier. I'm sure I missed a few things I was in a hurry off to the range!! Enjoy!!
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    No payments during that lease for 2yr/24k miles. It's a 1 time payment up front w/ option to buy or turn in at any time.

    $2500 + 1000 bonus cash for 2006 DCX vans until Nov 30th. That's national. Extra $1000 to lease for people already leasing a DCX product. Employee pricing for all is over for 2005 and 2006 models, except if using a DCX employee's control number.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The person in the middle seat ( really just a wide padded armrest) has to have a very narrow bottom while the Sienna has honest 8 passenger seating and DC has neither.
    Lockable storage? less than 1/4 the underfloor storage of a GC SXT but still a good sales gimmick for Honda. :sick:
    "Pay more, get less" with the Odyssey. ;)
  • The Dodge Caravan the trailer package includes 1. Load leveling rear shock absorbers. 2. Heavy duty radiator. 3. Engine oil cooler. 4. Transmission oil cooler. 5.Trailer towing harness for the lights. 6. 600 ampere hour battery. The MSRP for this option is $600.00. All that is needed to tow is a hitch. This combo is rated to tow 3800 lbs. On the 05 and 06 DCX models you cannot get a full size spare due to the stow-and -go seats. This package is Factory Installed. If you buy the Odyssey try to get as many of the 6 parts for your van for $600.00, Good luck!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    The Dodge Caravan the trailer package includes 1. Load leveling rear shock absorbers. 2. Heavy duty radiator. 3. Engine oil cooler. 4. Transmission oil cooler. 5.Trailer towing harness for the lights. 6. 600 ampere hour battery. The MSRP for this option is $600.00. All that is needed to tow is a hitch. This combo is rated to tow 3800 lbs. On the 05 and 06 DCX models you cannot get a full size spare due to the stow-and -go seats. This package is Factory Installed. If you buy the Odyssey try to get as many of the 6 parts for your van for $600.00, Good luck!

    Not really wanting to tow with a minivan. But if you do the DCX is a good option. Better yet go get a truck! Thats what frame construction is for!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    :P "Pay more, get less" with the Odyssey.

    Pay more get lots of safety stuff with the ody. I've used the center seat in my ody and it has a headrest and 3 point seat belt. It all matters what you want if you only care about price go get a Freestar or a Uplander for the same price as a SWB caravan. ;) BTW I love capitalism people pay what they think something is worth. If you have to discount it that much just to make it leave the lot whats it worth?? So Pay More get More of what you need with the Odyssey! :P
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