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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    $2500 + 1000 bonus cash for 2006 DCX vans until Nov 30th. That's national.

    Put in 92691 it shows nothing and the dodge site shows 2500.

    Extra $1000 to lease for people already leasing a DCX product. Employee pricing for all is over for 2005 and 2006 models, except if using a DCX employee's control number.

    Now my wife doesn't work for DCX like yours does so I'm not into all the inside stuff like you are!! No wonder TMV means nothing to you!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I prefer to drive my 2002 T&C LX to visit the main attraction ( Happiest Place On Earth ) in zip code 92802 to any in 92691. ;)
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    I prefer to drive my 2002 T&C LX to visit the main attraction ( Happiest Place On Earth ) in zip code 92802 to any in 92691.

    Was a little more worried about school rankings then getting to go to disneyland. But some people enjoy mickey mouse things. I lived in Anaheim off state college for about 9 months boy is that town shady( and I'm from hazlet NJ) Now I also lived beach side of 29th st in Newport now that was the best. ;) Oh and the 2006 Ody now is a IIHS best pick for side impact as well as front! The DCX van is a NOT TESTED! :cry:
  • Well, at least in Hazlet you have very cheap gasoline prices. I filled up for $2.219 on the way back from Sandy Hook on Sat.
  • Oh and the 2006 Ody now is a IIHS best pick for side impact as well as front!

    Can you post your source for that? Both stories I read stated that yes, the Honda received good ratings, but did not do well enough to receive the best pick rating.

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/11/04/iihs_minivan_side_impact/index.html
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    What the Salesman told you about making 4 payments prior to paying off the van is COMPLETELY UNTRUE. We purchased a 2005 T&C Touring last May and wanted to pay cash. But, in order to get the incentives, we financed thru Chrysler. I asked the dealer about any penalties I would be hit with if I paid the loan off immediately and he said to make at least 3 payments prior. I called DaimlerChrysler and they said that is untrue. They explained that the ONLY reason dealers say that is the dealership's get additional incentive $$ after 3-4 months of loan payments on a Chrysler loan. They stated there are NO penalties to paying off the loan early. I received my first statement and sent in a check to pay off the loan. Account has been closed by Chrysler with no penalties on my end. Also, the longer the loan is open the more finance charges Chrysler receives.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    All the window/mirror/door controls on my Ody EX are lighted. The cruise, stereo, and voice command/navigation buttons on the steering wheel are also lighted. Stereo sounds fine in my Ody. Particularly when a DVD is loaded up.

    Honda blew it on the door locks and headlamps. I have no idea why they only offer auto locks and auto headlamps on the touring model. Of course I would have bought the touring model in a heartbeat if it had 8 seats.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,744
    This is a great example of the dumb things the domestics have done in order to sell cars!

    Inflate the MSRP so they can show big "discounts". All sorts of cash back and incentive plans, confusing as can be.

    Man, I hope Honda never stoops to this!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Oh, yes, DC minivans power doors also lock automatically...a nice feature Honda has not yet copied

    I'm glad you like them. We tried to get our Chrysler dealer to disable them, he could not tell us how on our second Chrysler.

    DC minivans have 5 separate controls on the driver's door for power windows each front door and for each opening rear side window plus the power door locks and ALL are lighted on my 2002 T&C LX.

    As they are on the Odyssey. What point were you making? We already have that.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,744
    I'm perfectly capable of simply pushing my lock button if I want my ddors locked for whatever reason.

    Another "feature" of dubious value to many of us.
  • I work for a large dealership, and have sold both vehicles. The DC products were top dog for years, but sadly as with most of Detriot, these vehcikles have declined sharply in quality. The DC use cheaper alloys and materials in the build to save money and offset their labor cost. This is reflected in shorter lifespan, higher maintainace and repair cost and lower resale. Overall I like the T@C very much, but its a bad investment long term, The Odyssey is a much better value for quality and cost of ownership and resale. This is real world, I buy and sell both vehicles every day. A used odyssey means the customer is in a great postion to buy a new vehicle, a used DC means the are probably heavy in Neg. Equity and I wouln't be able to get them into a new car without a heafty downpayment to cover their mistake. I hope Chysler turns this around, it would help business
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    Another "feature" of dubious value to many of us.

    I think if Honda really felt they were of dubious value to the majority, they wouldn't offer them at all. Instead they offer it as a "luxury" feature. Not many would consider auto locks (or auto headlamps for that matter) more than a basic feature found on some of the cheapest economy cars. And they are programmable so if you don't like them you can turn them off.

    The fact that someone's dealer couldn't figure out how to turn them off shouldn't really surprise anyone should it?
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Can you post your source for that? Both stories I read stated that yes, the Honda received good ratings, but did not do well enough to receive the best pick rating.

    Sorry you are right. I looked at the chart right good but not best pick
    . But they put the Odyssey at the top and they say thats based on all test scores.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Well, at least in Hazlet you have very cheap gasoline prices. I filled up for $2.219 on the way back from Sandy Hook on Sat.

    I love the Hook especially in the beginning of sept when the Blues are running. My dad still lives in Keyport(gateway to the bayshore) Brought my boy there last year, he loved the bay. I worked at the Getty on 36 and atlantic street like 100 years ago. Wish I had $2.21 cent gas. So, if you get a chance go check out the Bulkhead in Keyport. It's owned by the Merla's but that's ok. Best comfort seafood in the area.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    the only time I locked all the doors while driving is when I think I am driving through a really really bad neighborhood. But then, minivan is probably at the bottom of the list for carjackers.

    My question for the autolock function is: does it unlock itself after a crash?
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "Inflate the MSRP....All sorts of cash back and incentive plans..."

    Sounds like smart marketing to me...if that is indeed their sales strategy...which I doubt.

    You know how people like to say, " WOW...I just got 5 grand off that_______(fill in the blank) So, that manufacturers would use this is hardly shocking.The employee pricing "discount" set all kinds of sales records.

    At least with the Honday Odyssey, Honda has "stooped" to the same thing with cash back. Except they are a little sneakier with how they market it. The 2004 Ody had $500 in dealer marketing support back in July. This was reflected in the below invoice price we were offered on an LX.

    I think all manufacturers strategy is to set a compeitive price...then have a contengency plan (rebates/incentives) if sales do not meet goals. Some foreigns manufacturers do not discount as much as domistics...but they most certainly would if sales started to fall.
  • My question for the auto lock function is: does it unlock itself after a crash?

    We have a 01 DGC EX and all the doors unlock and the interior lights come on.

    For those of you that want to knock Daimlerchrysler for their automatic door locks, probably did the same with the power lift gate. The Automatic door locks are a safety feature that everybody should have. Just like the battery drain feature for the interior and headlights being left on. Another safety feature I like, is that you can not automatically lock the doors, if the key is in the ignition and either driver or passenger door is open. Lets not forget the 2 lbs of pressure needed for all automatic doors to reverse to prevent injury. :)
  • There are two sets of test ratings IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety) and NHTSA (National Highway Transportation Safety Authority), IIHS has not tested a DCX version since 2001, but chooses to give the 2006 DCX the same rating as the 2001? NHTSA has tested both a 2006 DCX and a 2006 Odyssey and the ratings for those tests are identical for both models (DCX and Ody). IIHS rated the 06 Odyssey MARGINAL in the rear crash test, and the 2001 DCX tested was ACCEPTABLE. The frontal crash tests are different in both tests, IIHS uses an ofset frontal crash , while NHTSA does not.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    There are two sets of test ratings

    There are actually even more then that and they are all a little differant. Here are the major ones I know. NHSTA front and side,IIHS offset and side. EU front and side,JP front,FOLKSAM,AUS-Ncap.

    IIHS rated the 06 Odyssey MARGINAL in the rear crash test, and the 2001 DCX tested was ACCEPTABLE.

    Actually not the whole story the DCX van is rated poor if you don't have the optionial adjustable lumbar support.

    IIHS has not tested a DCX version since 2001, but chooses to give the 2006 DCX the same rating as the 2001?

    Not much front end change since 2001. Also DCX could give IIHS a van if they wanted a retest thet did it 3 times in 2001 to get a acceptable. My 2001 Caravan was poor :cry:

    I had a 2001 caravan it didn't have automatic locking doors!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    For those of you that want to knock Daimlerchrysler for their automatic door locks, probably did the same with the power lift gate.

    I lock the door everytime I get in. Old habit. The power lift gate who needs it I don't really care if I get my hands dirty I'm not that prissy or lazy.

    Another safety feature I like, is that you can not automatically lock the doors, if the key is in the ignition and either driver or passenger door is open. Lets not forget the 2 lbs of pressure needed for all automatic doors to reverse to prevent injury.

    The Ody does all these things can't lock it when a doors open or a key in the ignition. Also all my kids have tried like heck to shut the door on themselves with none ever even going ouch.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    MUST have been an "el-strippo" as my daughters 1999 GC SE has automatic locking doors as does my 2002 T&C LX and my son's 2002 GC Sport. ;)
    :sick: Another son's 2001 Odyssey EX does NOT have automatic locking doors. :sick:
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    you mean after a crash?

    dc is not the only manufacturer who has auto door locks. Nobody is knocking your dc van, and it has nothing to do with the power liftgate or batteries, relax!

    it's a pretty simple question: can people open the doors from the outside(to pull you out) after a crash if you have auto door locks? This applies to vans and many other type of vehicles.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    If a crash is severe enough to force rescue people to get you out, likely there is a lot of structural damage to the van anyways, so emergency rescue crews would have to use "jaws of life" to get you out.

    I suppose there could be some electronic interlock that unlocks the doors if the airbags go off, but fortunately, we have never had to test that feature!

    In any event, on our 1996 Dodge Caravan, front doors can be opened from the inside even if the locks are actuated. The inside door latch handle overrides the locks. On the rear sliders (at least the manual vans) you cannot do this. The power locks have to be unlocked manually.

    Furthermore, the DC minivans are also equipped with child safety interlock levers on the doors that if engaged, the sliding doors cannot be opened from the inside at all whether locked or unlocked, to keep kiddies from leaving the van without adult supervision.

    I assume the new DC minivans are similar.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    The DC use cheaper alloys and materials in the build to save money and offset their labor cost. This is reflected in shorter lifespan, higher maintainace and repair cost and lower resale.

    Where does this wisdom come from? You happen to be a manufacturing engineer for DCX also? Maybe in purchasing for raw matl? One has only to go to other areas on here and see DCX owners talking about their Vans with 150k - 200k miles on them, needing something or other.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Most manufacturers can programs the locks to do whatever the customer wants via the Body Control Module or Engine Control Module. It's whatever you like. I for one, driving around some areas of Detroit, like knowing the doors are locked :)

    Maybe Honda doesn't allow it due to liability issues? or philosphy, like the german thinking (until recently) that cup holders are a driving hazard.
  • it's a pretty simple question: can people open the doors from the outside(to pull you out) after a crash if you have auto door locks? This applies to vans and many other type of vehicles.

    Maybe my answer was not clear. Yes, the doors can be opened if you have the auto lock feature.

    "We have a 01 DGC EX and all the doors unlock and the interior lights come on." :P

    I listed all the other safety features that came with our van because a lot of people here like to comment on all the Ody safety features that come standard, but don't seem to value the safety features on Daimlerchrysler minivans that come standard or as options. One feature that I like on DamilerChrysler minivans, that I don't believe is on the Ody, is the battery savior feature. ;)
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    you don't need to be in a severe crash to need people helping you to get out of the car.

    So you do not know if the doors will unlock during a crash.

    On the other hand, masterpaul not only knows they will unlock after a crash, but the interior lights will come on as well :P
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    One feature that I like on DamilerChrysler minivans, that I don't believe is on the Ody, is the battery savior feature.

    I've never had problem with this in my life. But all but one of my DCX products had a battery that had to be replaced in the first 3 years. Can it save me from that. Also the 2001 DGC may(based on build date) have a poor offset rating. Has a middle rear seat with no headrest or 3 point seatbelt. So it's really a 6 passenger car. Has 4 star front crash ratings front passenger and driver and a 3 star rollover rating. I really wouldn't be so proud. :cry:
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Millions of people are very happy, satisfied owners of DC minivans. Many are repeat buyers.
    People who "Pay More, Get Less" buying a Honda Odyssey are insecure. Many Odyssey owners feel they must trash DC minivans to justify their overpriced purchase. :sick:
    Agreed: Odyssey has the most power. Odyssey has seating for 8 that can become comfortable seating for 7. DC does not currently offer seating for 8 but a person could have seating for 8 in a pre-Stow 'N Go GC or T&C by purchasing an additional 3 passenger 3rd row seat and put it in the 2nd row. With the cost of the extra seat, a comparably equipped DC minivan would cost no more than the Odd EX.
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