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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • I've never had problem with this in my life. But all but one of my DCX products had a battery that had to be replaced in the first 3 years.

    Maybe you are miss understanding me. The battery savior feature, works by turning off any of the interior or head lights left on while not in the vechicle to save you from coming back to your vechicle with a dead/drained battery. This was a feature that a couple people in the Honda Ody Problems Forum complained about not having.

    Has a middle rear seat with no headrest or 3 point seatbelt. So it's really a 6 passenger car.

    Our third row 50/50 bench seat does not have the middle head rest nor a 3 point seat belt. Although I wish we did have it, it's not a deal breaker for us since we have a family of six. But we can still seat seven if we had to. A lap belt is better than nothing.

    Has 4 star front crash ratings front passenger and driver and a 3 star rollover rating.

    You forgot to mention the 5 star side front and rear seat rating. And with front driver and passenger side air bags, it got 5 stars. A three star roll over rating for this size of minivan is really good. So what's your point?

    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/1669.html

    Also the 2001 DGC may(based on build date) have a poor offset rating.

    You are correct. The only reason it has a poor overall rating was because of the fuel leak. To which according to Daimlerchrysler, when they tested the same vechicle about 50 times, could not reproduce this problem. The IIHS never did issue a recall for this, so obviously there was not and has not been a problem with the 01 Daimlerchrysler minivans. If there was I'm sure a recall would have gone out by the IIHS. :shades:

    http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=32
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    People who "Pay More, Get Less" buying a Honda Odyssey are insecure.

    Wait didn't I buy a minivan? I get jokes about it at work who cares what brand it is. I have no problems with my feelings. Please talk about the van and not what I think. I try not to say what you feel. How would I know?? Really mostly you sound silly! It's a base argument from someone that really has nothing to say!! I like my Odyssey because I think it's the best car for my family!! Does that make me unreasonable?? I really don't care if I could have saved a few dollars buying a DCX van. As I've said many times IT DOSEN't HAVE the FEATURES I want!! Now go buy a Sienna because the DCX isn't good enough for you and be done with it!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Maybe you are miss understanding me. The battery savior feature, works by turning off any of the interior or head lights left on while not in the vechicle to save you from coming back to your vechicle with a dead/drained battery.

    No I got ya. This has never happened to me! I guess if it did I'd feel different but always was able to start when I was out and about because of a battery being drained by leaving on light etc.
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 976
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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I've never had problem with this in my life. But all but one of my DCX products had a battery that had to be replaced in the first 3 years. Can it save me from that. Also the 2001 DGC may(based on build date) have a poor offset rating. Has a middle rear seat with no headrest or 3 point seatbelt. So it's really a 6 passenger car. Has 4 star front crash ratings front passenger and driver and a 3 star rollover rating. I really wouldn't be so proud.

    In 26 years of driving almost everything on the road, I have never had to replace a defective battery. Ohh yeah, my "crappy" 1983 Cavalier with 180k miles once needed a battery after 6 years. You have the worst luck with DCX products.

    Why didn't you buy a wonderful 2001 Ody in the first place? Weren't all these glaring problems evident at time of purchase i.e...6 passenger seating, famous quality problems, crash ratings?

    BTW - I do recall posts of Hondas not having this simple circuitry, and having problems.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    please define many, i've never trahsed the dc vans. It's the vsc and the fact that I can put 5-6 belted kids in the van(I cannot believe how many times I've done that already). I do like the power pedals(for wife) and the lift gate offered in this price range. If I have to do it all over again, I might go for the sienna and enjoy the quiet ride.

    It's only a van for hauling kids
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Why didn't you buy a wonderful 2001 Ody in the first place? Weren't all these glaring problems evident at time of purchase i.e...6 passenger seating, famous quality problems, crash ratings?

    Heck I didn't even want a minivan, but I just had twins and needed the space. Basically it was cheap, I paid 16K and t and l. The crash ratings weren't out but I saw a online acticle saying how good they would be getting. Really for what I paid it was fine. Figured I'd keep it 5 years then go to a big sedan. Guess what we don't fit in a big sedan. :blush:

    BTW - I do recall posts of Hondas not having this simple circuitry, and having problems


    yep some people really need this function. Sure more than a few people have woke up to a dead battery.
  • I AM HAVING THE SAME WHISTLING NOISE PROBLEM WITH MY 2005 ODYSSEY. CAN YOU TELL ME THE NAME & LOCATION OF THE HONDA DEALER WHO FIXED THIS PROBLEM AND HOW I CAN CONTACT THEM ?

    YOUR HELP IN THIS MATTER WOULD BE SINCERELY APPRECIATED....
  • Hey All,

    It's me again. I thought I would come out here one last time and tell you the deal I got on the new van. I did alot of bouncing back and forth between 2 dealers with both of them matching prices on the 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT (no extras, black van). In IN, the rebate for this area right now is $2,500 plus $1,000 cash bonus. So that's $3,500 off in rebates. Both dealers said Oct was a bad month and that is the highest in rebates they have seen in 2 years for the Grand Caravans. Not sure about that... but I think they were being honest about it.

    I also joined Farm Bureau insurance for $28 and as long as you are member for 30 days you will receive an extra $500 rebate on the price just for being a member. No one told me about joining for like $28 until like the last 2 days. So the total in rebates is $4000. And both dealers went about $269 below Invoice which the grand total after rebates and Destination charges was $22,230 (not including 6% sales tax).

    The dealer in Ky I thought was going to go down to $22,000 but they said they just couldn't go any lower. So I opted that if I was going to eat $200 they could eat $100 of that too and they accepted that offer. And since I bought in KY, I don't have to pay IN tire taxes of about $80 and they waived the $260 dealer fee for filling out paperwork. That's a ripoff for anyone who has to pay that.

    So for $22,130 the van cost, plus 6% IN sales tax I got the van for, $23,457.80. That's $369 below invoice and I saved $80 in tire taxes and $260 in BS fees. The dealer in IN had a black van on the lot. Since KY didn't, they are ordering me one brand new from the factory. No fees or anything other than destination which is included in the total price.

    I do have to note that come Dec 1st the extra $1,000 bonus will probably go bye, bye, but who knows. The nice thing was anytime a dealer buys it new for you, at the time they order the van you get the rebates that are going on at that time, even though I won't actually be paying in full until my 30 days are up (Farm Bureau rebate) which will be in December. So ordering brand new instead of buying the new one on the lot actually worked out better for us and the timing. Course we have 2 vehicles already so it's nice for once to buy without having to have the van ASAP.

    I kept thinking I'm going to join farm bureau to gain $500 but then in December lose the $1000 and come out -$500 in the hole. But that's not going to happen now. At any rate, I don't know anyone that works at Dodge and finding someone just didn't seem possible to get the EP discounts. But overall, I think we did pretty good. I appreciate all of your advice, tips and of course hearing how everyone wants to compare vans. ha ha. You guys are a riot.. I really wish I had time to argue about which is better. With twins that are 22 months old.. I just argue about not getting enough sleep. :)

    For us, the stow-n-go sealed the deal cause I can see us really using that. But I could see that if you didn't use that.. just a regualar Dodge van, Grand Caravan SXT, 3.3 v6 would save you $3,000 right off the top. And we thought about Toyota's Sienna cause I know it holds it's value and my brother works for Toyota so I could have got $500 above cost.

    I'm sure all of these vans are good deals, nice options just depends on what people prefer. I rode in a Ford Windstar van to St. Louis and back and I thought it was a great ride and nice options too. So most always, it comes down to price, value and options and your previous experience with a car company. So adious my friends.. it's been fun.

    Paul K. - 38.. somewhere roaming the roads in a black Stow-n-go van in less than 30 day.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    So for $22,130 the van cost

    Sounds like a good deal TMV is 22,812.00 so you did better than average. Happy you got what you wanted for a good price!

    Dodge and finding someone just didn't seem possible to get the EP discounts.

    They don't seem to be hanging out on the street corner do they??

    You guys are a riot.. I really wish I had time to argue about which is better. With twins that are 22 months old.. I just argue about not getting enough sleep.

    More like a train wreck! No you don't wish you had the time and they are both better for some people, it just matters what you want. BTW I got 4 year old twins it really is a blessing. You need a minivan or a large SUV(I'm not a SUV guy)to have enough space. Enjoy your van and stay safe!!
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Another feature of "dubious value? To many of us?

    This appears as a thinly vailed attempt to isolate those who appreciate and want the automatic door lock feature as someone outside the norm. However, this statement coming from a Honda salesperson is no surprise. If your product doesn't offer it, offend it and the desire to want it!

    To many women this is not a "dubious" feature. Locking all four doors from the drivers seat is a inconvenience and safety concern that many people think is worth the auto lock feature, arrogant assertion or not.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Well, since we now know that a power liftgate is "prissy," I guess we can make the assumption that there's an element of masculine insecurity in the decision to buy a Honda.

    In the meantime it appears that in the latest issue of Consumers' Reports Car Buyer's Guide the Honda Ody's transmissions are not much better than the Chrysler's!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Well, since we now know that a power liftgate is "prissy," I guess we can make the assumption that there's an element of masculine insecurity in the decision to buy a Honda.

    No I'm saying I can get my hands dirty. I'm not prissy. Go ahead and search that word in this forum. It never bothered you before when someone else said it to describe a honda product!! So please stop the smearing it is just all too common!

    In the meantime it appears that in the latest issue of Consumers' Reports Car Buyer's Guide the Honda Ody's transmissions are not much better than the Chrysler's!

    Now you love CR I see how you are LOL!!! You certainly don't read your own posts! And I bet they are very close in reliability. Now in smoothness and shifting with no whining noise the Honda is way better than the 41TE. I should know I've owned both. ;)
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    This appears as a thinly vailed attempt to isolate those who appreciate and want the automatic door lock feature as someone outside the norm. However, this statement coming from a Honda salesperson is no surprise. If your product doesn't offer it, offend it and the desire to want it!

    I've heard the same comments made about VSC and standard side airbags and headrests/3 point belts at all positions. Seems we have a one way street here. If I say any feature the DCX van dosen't have is good I'm unreasonable. Yet if I don't think something has value that the DCX van has I'm arrogant. Not really ,just pointing out why I bought the van. I don't pretend to be anything but a Odyssey advocate!I get all these people saying you only tell one side of the story! I looked and made my choice! People that come in here are making there own. And whatever they make is fine with me. :P

    To many women this is not a "dubious" feature. Locking all four doors from the drivers seat is a inconvenience and safety concern that many people think is worth the auto lock feature, arrogant assertion or not.

    Many may but many may not want it. Just state it is there for this forum and let other decide! What's the big deal, what his opinion is??
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Ok, I admit it......I'm prissy!!!!

    When I first got autolocking doors, I thought of it as more government intrusion into my life. But driving around Detroit, in some of the seedy areas (90% of Detroit :) I love it!

    Same thing with power hatch. When you're at Sam's, it's -10 below, your van is caked with weeks of road salt and grime, the very last thing anyone wants to do is get their hands filthy or cold (taking gloves off).

    Here's a joke: How can you tell when a Salesman is lying? When his lips move!!!!! :)
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    I've never figured out why everyone uses their hands on the outside of the hatches anyway. Every van/suv I've owned has a handle on the inside used to shut the hatch. Even my wife can shut the door this way. Granted a power hatch would be a nice option, I'm not going to discount it. As I've said a million times....I would have bought the Touring Ody in a flash if Honda offered it with the 8th seat.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    But you can't OPEN the hatch with the inside handle!!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,638
    Dustyk,

    Forget the fact I sell Hondas if you are able.

    If I want my doors locked when I'm driving (I don't) it's an easy matter to simply push a button. I don't want the car to decide my doors should be locked!

    Is it really THAT "inconvenient" for you to take a hslf second to push a button?

    My non arrogant point being...what is a big deal to some people is an unwanted feature to others!
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    the power hatch is one of the options I think will get more popular, as well as the power folding 3rd row in the explorer.

    dc, honda and yota should have these options on their next redesign
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    My non arrogant point being...what is a big deal to some people is an unwanted feature to others

    And also a safety concern so far no one was able to answer: will it unlock after a crash?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,638
    The systems have no way of knowing the car has been in a crash and to unlock the doors.

    That isn't the big reason I don't like auto locking doors although it is something to think about.

    I just find them intrusive and annoying. If I'm driving through a bad neighboorhood at night, I have no trouble hitting the lock button.

    How big of a deal is that?
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    When you're at Sam's, it's -10 below, your van is caked with weeks of road salt and grime, the very last thing anyone wants to do is get their hands filthy or cold (taking gloves off).

    Hey I got something like that going on in So. Cal. When it's 58 degrees with the wind chill. Oh I guess it's not the same LOL. ;)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,638
    You haven't escaped So. Calif yet?? ;)
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    I just find them intrusive and annoying. If I'm driving through a bad neighboorhood at night, I have no trouble hitting the lock button.

    Which for the millionth time is why you can turn them off if you don't want them. However, those of us with EXL-R&N's don't have the luxury of turning them on because Honda thinks econo-car features should only come on their high-end Ody. I notice the Civic has these features now....too bad my $31,000 can't buy such luxuries. The auto-locking doors and auto headlamps are two features that get my goat enough to say I'm not 100% satisfied with Honda. I still like the Ody over the competition, but it's an annoyance that effects me everytime I drive it. Mainly because it wouldn't have cost two cents to include these features as standard equipment.

    I still say a knowlegeable Honda tech should be able to turn the auto-locks on with BCM software. Haven't run into one that is knowlegeable though.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,638
    O.K...I don't disagree with you. I think auto locks should be on the cars so pwople can decide if they want them turned on or not.

    I just can't for the life of me, see why a simple act of pushing down a button should be SUCH an annoyance.

    Same with the headlights. It takes a twist of a knob and they are on.

    But...that's me...we are all different.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    I don't know why anyone would let their car cake with WEEKS of road salt. I wouldn't even do that to my old (R.I.P.) accord.

    I heard it's quite difficult to file claims against the corrosion warranty :P
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    uh oh, you can leave the headlights switch on the ody to the "on" position and it will turn itself on when you unlock the car and off when you lock it.

    as a honda salesperson I think isell should donate 5bps on every deal for the rest of the month to charity for not being able to point out this feature.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,638
    I knew that. That feature isn't on ALL Hondas however.
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    Couple points:

    We could have 10 sunny days from December-March in the midwest. It could snow a little every other day for a month. Why spend $8 on a car wash if it will get dirty tomorrow? If a large snowstorm comes, the melting can take weeks, all the while puddles accumulate around town.

    If the temperature never rises above around 25*F, the salt is doing no damage to your vehicle. Heated garages can do damage.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    I always have this dilenma when going to the car wash in winter: hey, it's gonna get dirty in a couple of hours anyways, why bother?

    1) I have no idea when the temp will rise above 25 degrees, especially when it is sunny. So leaving caked salt in the muffler/B pipes area (which is definitely warmer than 25 degrees most of the time)is not really what i am looking forward to.

    2)$8 every other week is not a whole lot compare to replacing rusted out mufflers and B pipes.

    3) No matter how cold it is, there is always bird poop. And those can't stick to the paint for a long period of time.

    But again, to each of their own.
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