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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Posts: 626
    Why would you have too? What would be the reason to remove it with Stow-n-Go? "

    The link that you provided was about an Ody owner who wanted to remove the 3rd row seats so he had the well space for a trip, without having to use a roof box. He could fold his 3rd row seats if he wanted, but wanted the space, but not the seats. That's why, when you titled it "Should anyone tell them about Stow-n-go?", I thought that you meant the seats were removable in the DC vans. :confuse:
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    The link that you provided was about an Ody owner who wanted to remove the 3rd row seats so he had the well space for a trip, without having to use a roof box. He could fold his 3rd row seats if he wanted, but wanted the space, but not the seats.

    With Stow-N-Go he has the space and can have the seats too, if wanted. There is about 3/4 of the room under the second row seats that there is in the well behind the third row seats. He would have all the storage he wanted without taking out any seats. He could stow or not stow the third row seats.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    During the past year of owning my Ody, I have never had to remove the second row seats. The fold down 3rd row seat was fine even for transporting of my recent purchase of a fully assembly BBQ grill with side burner

    It's obvious that there is a number of Honda people that don't have enough room and are either taking their seats out, or putting up a roof box.

    But for folks who are involved in heavy trade work activites or get their jollies scouting garage sales and flea markets, it may come in handy to pick more junk to add to their collection.


    Believe it or not macakava, most of the owners of 2005 Dodge/Chrysler vans didn't buy them for work or going around to flea markets to pick up more junk. They had enough sense to see the advantage of Stow-n-Go for carrying families and the things families take with them. The advantage of going on vacation and having all the room they need to carry the stuff they need. The advantage of unexpectedly finding something at the store or at a flea market and being able to take it home with them now.

    Now you and some other Honda/Toyota owners might have the money to waste always buying new, or having things delivered, or paying thousands of dollars more for a van that you think gives you that status you think you get by buying only Japanese vehicles. But Chrysler owners are a little more frugal with our money. We look for value and want a van that does everything we want it to do. It's things like that that allows me and the wife to take a 19 day trip to Ireland, England and Scotland in Oct. If you send me your address, I would be more than happy to send you a card from there.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Honda's now use timing chains that are good much longer than the timing belts; just like the Dodge. I believe your neighbor was mistaken, unless he/she drives a late-model Ody.

    I like this lively conversation, if we can just keep it from getting personal. I am in no way trying to make anyone feel bad or threatened, and doubt I am, when I make comments about these vehicles(although most of you are Type-A people from what I can see, and also enjoy a debate). keep up the good work, as I am glad to hear that Chrysler may finally be getting their act together as far as reliability goes. Is it just me, or does the conversation tend to be repeating every few days???
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    May I ask who thinks ANY minivan is purchased as a status symbol? Regardless of brand, I am afraid that none of these cars will have passers-by green with envy because of that 'fancy automobile'. Maybe when Mercedes releases the R-Class wagon/vanlet/SUV thing can one feel uppity with their passenger hauler. I feel that I can say this comment since I drive a van about half of my miles on the road. Life goes on...
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Honda's now use timing chains that are good for the life of the car; just like the Dodge. I believe your neighbor was mistaken

    She said she paid to have a timing belt put in. Not sure when Honda went to a chain. I think her car is about 5-6 years old, but not sure. She is in New Jersey visiting her daughter now. I don't think our 2004 Civic has one, but I would have to wait till the boss comes home to check the owners manual.

    Glad your enjoying the debate. It can get lively at times but there is no hard feelings on my part with anyone. It just feels good to be able to say things about my Dodge that that is true, that a lot of previous Dodge/Chrysler people couldn't say about their's, some years ago. It really does look like Chrysler has their act together finally. Just seems like no one is complaining about the 2005. Very little about the 2004 either. As a matter of fact, it seems like many of the complaints really slacked off after the 2001's.

    I can't say I don't get a lot of satisfaction in proving to some Honda owners, that the van they have, isn't the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel. And I know it's killing some not to see a bunch of Dodge/Chrysler owners complain about their 2005's
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    No need to Marine2.

    From my frequent business travels over the past 20 years which includes trips to Europe and the Far East, I have accumulated so much frequent flyer miles, hotel and car rental points that I have been able to take my family of 5 on free vacations(flights, hotels and car covered) about twice a year to locations like Hawaii and the exotic Far East.

    I still have another 750,000 +miles left, 5 free tickets with Southwest, and free hotel stays that I have to use up. These 5 SW ticket will take us to Las Vegas soon and I guess that we can plan to go aboard afterwards. What a life!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Glad to hear you were able to get so many frequent flier miles from your business Mac. My job didn't allow me to do that. But I will be driving my brand new DGC up to Vegas next year. It's only about 5 hours from Phoenix. Us poor folks just have to make do with what we have.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    If you have the time and I believe that you do as you may be retired, do the circle from Vegas to Reno/Tahoe to San Fran to LA and then back to Vegas.

    I did that 8+ years ago. The Vegas to Reno will be the most barren desolate part of the trip - about 250+ miles of desert - so be prepared.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I can't say I don't get a lot of satisfaction in proving to some Honda owners, that the van they have, isn't the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel. And I know it's killing some not to see a bunch of Dodge/Chrysler owners complain about their 2005's

    You should check out other Honda boards....that's a load of fun!! Smugness is great to prick with a pin now and then!!! (well, it usually takes a large nail to burst some of these people).

    Hey, I forgot something too.....DCX's 7year/70k mile warranty!!!! Lower price, less recalls and issues, less trips to dealer, better peace of mind
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,350
    All V-6 Honda engines have timing belts. The 4 cyl engines used in the 2003 and newer Accords, 2002 and newer CRVS and all Elements have a chain.

    All Civics use a timing belt good for 105,000 miles in 1997 and newer cars.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Glad to hear you were able to get so many frequent flier miles from your business Mac. My job didn't allow me to do that. But I will be driving my brand new DGC up to Vegas next year. It's only about 5 hours from Phoenix. Us poor folks just have to make do with what we have.

    Ahhhh yeah, all those wonderful business trips - nights away from wife and family. No thanks, the FF miles aren't worth the aggravation at airports, delays flights, missing family events etc... been there, done that and never again. There's much more to life than fancy vacation, trying to compensate family for missing real things.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,350
    Hey, Dennis...

    Want to guess WHY DCX went to that 70K/7 year warranty?
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    If you have the time and I believe that you do as you may be retired, do the circle from Vegas to Reno/Tahoe to San Fran to LA and then back to Vegas.

    I'm retired, but the wife still works. If I knew retirement would be this good, I'd have gotten her a second job and retired 10 years earlier.

    The Vegas to Reno will be the most barren desolate part of the trip - about 250+ miles of desert - so be prepared.

    Be prepared? Any place I go outside of Phoenix is desert. That's why I got the Dodge, I wanted something I could depend on getting me through the desert. I can't always afford to fly.ha,ha.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Let's guess, the same reason Honda extended the warranties on the Auto Trannys to 100k miles few years back???

    This coming from a guy that sells Hondas.....this should be good!!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Ahhhh yeah, all those wonderful business trips - nights away from wife and family.

    Dennis, it isn't that bad. My wife goes on business trips about twice a year. It gives me more time to drive my DGC and watch the television shows I want. And...
  • davids1davids1 Posts: 411
    Marketing!!! Nothing more, nothing less!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,350
    Dennis,

    I'm trying very hard to temper my responses to you. You continue to harp on the same things.

    Yes, Honda had some transmission problems. They recognized this and took action. Their transmission problems pale in comparison to the trans problems Chrysler has had and I think you know that.

    The 7/70 warranty was put in place in an attempt to restore faith in a lackluster product. Check the CR ratings and see for yourself.

    Hopefully they are on the right track now.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I'm trying very hard to temper my responses to you. You continue to harp on the same things.

    Yes, Honda had some transmission problems. They recognized this and took action. Their transmission problems pale in comparison to the trans problems Chrysler has had and I think you know that.

    The 7/70 warranty was put in place in an attempt to restore faith in a lackluster product. Check the CR ratings and see for yourself.


    same thing?? LOL....me?? I brought up the warranty benefits of DCX's. You wanna talk trannys...go right ahead, but it's a little like the pot calling the kettle black. I just assume Hondas never have any issues, they're sooo great!!!! Was Honda's warranty extension to 100k miles to restore faith in a lackluster product?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,350
    I've been around these forums from the beginning and I know when it's best to back off.

    It's good to believe in the product you own I suppose.

    Carry on...
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