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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • Checking Edmunds used car values disproves a $6000 advantage for Ody after 7 years. The 1998 Odyssey wasn't the comparable van , no sliding doors and smaller. Comparing the 99's reveals only a 1500 to 2000 advantage for the Odyssey after 7 years. $6000 - $2000 = $4000 advantage for T & C over Odyssey. But I wonder how many 1999 Odyssey's sold at at only a $6000 price difference over the T & C.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "The Ody with a full load can get to about 80mph with full acceleration. 65mph with more reasonable foot.I've driven a 3.8L Caravan up that ramp many times and it wheezes pretty hard to get to 65mph"

    You understand and really enjoy the Ody for the superior performance it has, Mon!

    This is one of the enjoyment/thrills I get (and safety as well like you described) in the Ody that is not available with other minivans. This is priceless! It translates to the drivers in the vehicles left behind smelling hot air of the Ody.

    "I think the tranny in the Ody makes it pull the hills much better as it remains in a lower gear when it senses hills."

    If I remember correctly, the Ody has this innovative electronic intelligence(i.e. fuzzy logic) that senses a driver's style and remembers/adjusts the tranny shift patterns for maximum performance the driver needs.
  • If I remember correctly, the Ody has this innovative electronic intelligence(i.e. fuzzy logic) that senses a driver's style and remembers/adjusts the tranny shift patterns for maximum performance the driver needs.

    DCX has had this feature since 1989
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    In the DGC, it is so fuzzy(i.e. unrefined and primitive for the times) that,

    "I've driven a 3.8L Caravan up that ramp many times and it wheezes pretty hard to get to 65mph" "
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    But if the T&C had $5000 more in repairs after 7 years, then give me the Odyssey.
  • khoakhoa Posts: 64
    While frequency is important, if the Odyssey has a couple of major and costly repairs, while the DSX has a lot of little and cheap ones, then I'd rather have the DSX and save the $$$ in the beginning

    Hmm ... some one I knew has a DCX whose numerous repairs may not cost much, but it left him stranded one too many times. Imagine that in cold freezing weather and full of kids ... you can't put a price on that. Sometimes it's just not the cost of repairs that you'll have to think about.
  • jntjnt Posts: 316
    My family is currently owning a 05 Odys EX-L and 97 Oldsmobile Sihouette minivan. Away from home, we normally rented Dodge/Chrysler vans since they are available in great number at reasonable prices. So I personally love minivans and consider then the most efficient vehicles for carrying people and luggages. I have following impressions on the new Honda minivan vs. others (not including Toyota however since I have not a chance to drive this vehicle yet):

    1. Handling: Honda is the top dog here. The old 97 GM van, even it was old, handles quite well for an old design. New Ford Freestar has similar behavior. The Dodge is the least secure in my book when driven above 70MPH and on choppy roads.

    2. Ride: Dodge van is probably the best on smooth roads. So it sacrifies handling for ride. Honda is second;and GM old van at the bottom.

    3. Engine: The 240+ HP Odys is the clear winner. GM, Dodge are roughly the same since their engines are rated below 200HP. The Honda also has better smoothness. Ford 3.9L V6 sounds like a tractor engine

    4. Transmission: I like GM transmission the best. Eventhough it only has 4 gears and weaker engine, this transmission knows how to shift to take the most of what it got. Chrysler van does have the 2-3 second delay when you push hard on the gas pedal to merge onto high speed traffic. This is extremely scary when you drive in LA seeing a semi bearing on you at 80MPH. My Honda , EX-L has the VCM option(cylinder shut off) that creates a booming sound at about 2000-2500 RPM. This is very "unrefined" for any transmission in modern times.

    5. Head Light: Honda is the best. This has been a big problem on Chrysler minivans for decades. Last year, I rented a new one, and sure enough, the is no significant improvement. My old GM van is probably at the bottom too.

    6. Brake: Honda is the best.

    7. Assembly quality: Every Chrysler vehicle I rented were put together really well. No rattle, no squeak and everything seems to aligned well. I was somewhat disappointed with my new Honda on this aspect. That may be why the 05 Odys only got 2 stars on JD Power rating

    8. Radio reception: Chrysler may have old looking radio, but their reception is the best. New Honda with side glass antenna actually does worse in this aspect even when compared to the older Odys with whip antenna. In adition, one can hear more vehicle noise in AM mode (besides weaker sensitivity) in the Honda

    9. Seat Comfort: about the same for both Honda and Chrysler at least for front seats.

    10. Space: Plenty for both Honda and Chrysler. Not for GM since they have 5 inch narrower body

    Personally, we value the mechanical aspect of the vehicle above everything else, so that why we picked the Honda. We paid premium for it since it was the first model year. If we were to buy a new van again, we probably pick this vehicle above everything else in the market (including the Toyota). The only thing that may worry us is the longivity of the Honda 5 speed Automatic transmission.

    jt
  • But if the T&C had $5000 more in repairs after 7 years, then give me the Odyssey.
    Like most Odyssey owners when you are losing an argument, change the argument. Read the Odyssey problems board!
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Great comparo.

    Regarding your concern with the tranny, this was mostly related to the earlier, 2003 and older models, which Honda has addressed well.

    As a habit that I have done for the past 30+ yrs of vehicle ownership, I change my vehicles' fluids myself on a very regular basis and have never had any mechanical problems. Engine oil every 3K miles and tranny fluid before every 25K. The key is clean fluids that have the required active chemical ingredients in them. This is CHEAP insurance.

    Changing the tranny fluid in the Ody is a piece of cake. You just remove the tranny drain plug like you do for the engine crankcase drain plug. After draining the fluid, just replace with ATF-Z1 Honda fluid(Use no substitute, some garages are known to use cheaper Dexron for obvious reasons) with the same quantity, which I do through the dipstick barrel for convenience. The domestics tranny do not have a drain plug - you have to drop the pan or try to syphon the fluid through the dipstick.
  • jntjnt Posts: 316
    macakava,

    Thanks for the AT fluid advise. I will do so on my vehicle

    jt
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    GM, Ford and Chrysler were all DOWN last month with Toyota and Honda up 10%. Where do you get what you try to pass off as facts?

    For the YEAR, not month sales for DCX minivans are up! Most people in the automotive industry use Model Year when talking about sales figures.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    The same engines (slightly massaged) that were available in 1992 are still being used on the DC vans.

    There's this thing called "continuous improvement" that most manufacturers perform. There have been many changes and improvements since 1992. If you compare minivans in 1992, and other vehicles from same time, you'd have problems with all of them. In fact, Honda didn't build a real minivan til 1999! Today's performance numbers only show a 1.4 second (longer than it takes me to type it) difference between GC and Honda. The HP rating are even closer this year, since Honda is playing on same field.

    If 1.4 second difference is that critical in merging, maybe it's not the vehicle.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I've driven a 3.8L Caravan up that ramp many times and it wheezes pretty hard to get to 65mph.

    I love you Ody owners!!!! Wheezes????? Mine doesn't wheeze even when towing an RV!!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Today's performance numbers only show a 1.4 second (longer than it takes me to type it) difference between GC and Honda.

    Maybe you should work on your typing. ;) The 0-60 times are nice for the Honda but the things that make me happy are the better passing times. 45-65 Honda 4.3 seconds Dodge 5.6 second. 60-0 braking Honda 123ft Dodge 136 ft. 10% better laterial acceleration and it has VSC. I love the looks inside and out. The seat comfort thruout is first rate and the extra seat I've used a few times now is great. It's really not all about 1.4 seconds its more about having a smile for 8 years + and getting what you want!! For ME it was the Odyssey!
  • fljoslinfljoslin Posts: 237
    But I wonder how many 1999 Odyssey's sold at at only a $6000 price difference over the T & C.
    I purchased a 1999 Intrepid in 1999 at MSRP. Things were different then.
    I believe that the decent Chrysler minivans were in the mid $20,sK and the Town and Country Limited were about $35k.
  • fljoslinfljoslin Posts: 237
    that guy going 45 mph needs to trade his corvette for a Ody ... maybe he is just a lousy driver?

    Actually it was a newer Camry and probably a lousy driver. I just used the example to make a point.
  • fljoslinfljoslin Posts: 237
    This is related to a previous post about the cost of a Dodge Grand Caravan.
    At Midway Chrysler Jeep in Post Falls ID (1-800-476-2703)
    2005 Dodge Grand Caravan purchased from Chrysler under warranty. VIN # 1D4GP24R25B384196
    Stow and Go, PS, PW, PL, tilt, cruise, 3 zone temp, rear heat A/C, sun screen glass, keyless entry, roof rack, Sirius radio, heated mirrors. $12,990
    I got onto the Dodge web site and as close as I could figure, the MSRP on this vehicle (you can still buy new ones) is about $28,000.
    They also have 2005's without the stow and go for $11,990.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Not sure where you're getting your data at, but CR has the following (March 2005).

    45 - 65 Ody 5.3 seconds DGC 6.3 seconds

    60 - 0 braking Ody 136 ft DGC 140 ft

    At these numbers, the differences are minor when you factor in conditions like weather, mileage, drivers etc.. Was the Ody on it's first or second set of brake pads? Did the Ody have windshield leak affecting its drag coefficent? :P

    And apparently CR doesn't consider lateral accelertion critical in its testing of minivans. But for those who race on off-ramps, I guess it would be.

    I prefer real world pricing differences that people can actually feel in their pockets. I love being able to outfit my minivan in any config I want i.e...power hatch or not, leather or not, DVD or not. I love the flexibility and comfort of Stow N Go seating, the quiet smooth ride. I love getting EXACTLY what I want, with great quality, reasonable price and performance...FOR A MINIVAN!

    Now if I was going thru a midlife crisis and felt a need to prove my manhood on off ramps, instead of pretending the ody is a sports sedan (which takes quite the imagination having driven Odys!), I'd buy a BMW or Porche!
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    But if the T&C had $5000 more in repairs after 7 years, then give me the Odyssey.

    Check out post 6030 in Ody problem area!!! $5000 for Tranny for 2002 Ody? OUCH!!! Thank god the guy has a warranty!!

    Gotta love posts:

    this van has been in the shop more than our Town adn Country ever was! We have never gotten rid of the front end problem and now they say it is due to the brake caliper which is "too heavy" and there is no permanent repair...we are thinking of trading and don;t really want another headache from Honda.

    I expect these things only from DCX, never from a Honda!
  • "I purchased a 1999 Intrepid in 1999 at MSRP. Things were different then." I don't think so. I purchased a 1999 Dodge intrepid in December of 98 at invoice, looks like you need to sharpen your negotiating skills.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    My point was that if there were facts out there indicating the average repair cost for different vehicles over a 5 year or 100,000 mile period, then we could compare and see which one was a better value. Just going back and forth with each others repair experiences means nothing. You're always going to find someone with horror stories about their vehicle, or miraculous one. I'm looking for some facts...for example, the average repair cost for a 2002 Odyssey is XXXXX dollars? Does anyone know if those facts exist?
  • fljoslinfljoslin Posts: 237
    I purchased a 1999 Intrepid in 1999 at MSRP. Things were different then." I don't think so. I purchased a 1999 Dodge intrepid in December of 98 at invoice, looks like you need to sharpen your negotiating skills

    That was with zero down, zero % financing.
    However, you believe that relative to MSRP Chrysler vehicles are not cheaper now than they were in 1998-1999!Earlier in this thread I asked how much someone really paid for a 2006 T&C that was as close as possible to an Odyssey EX-L. I never did get an answer.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Most Chrysler minivan owners are NOT lurking in internet sites trying to see if others feel the purchase of a T&C is a wise choice. Same with Sienna, GM, and Ford minivans.
    We who purchase the vehicle WE LIKE do not depend on CR or others to justify our purchase. ;)
  • I hang around BMW boards most of the time as this is my car but I just saw the debate here. We have 2000 Ody EX, 78K miles on it and the car is absolutely bulletproof. Initially I had a problem wiht the auto doors, but once when fixed (6 month into the ownership) I was told I will never ever have problems again. They were right. The car is pleasure to ride in, we hauled so much in it, I would not exchange the car for any other Chrysler/Dodge products. The Chrysler incentives are great, but for long term I would not want to own them. Just my $0.02.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Most Chrysler minivan owners are NOT lurking in internet sites trying to see if others feel the purchase of a T&C is a wise choice. Same with Sienna, GM, and Ford minivans.
    We who purchase the vehicle WE LIKE do not depend on CR or others to justify our purchase.


    Thats why they don't input all the problems they have they just complain to CR when they are asked. OWNER SATISFACTION FOR DCX VANS IS POOR. I wasn't satisfied!!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    DC minivan owner satisfaction is MUCH higher than for the over-priced, over-hyped Odyssey. That is why you don't see as many complaints in the Town Hall DC minivan problem forums as Odyssey problem forums. ;)
    DC minivans do NOT have as many problems per minivan since 1999 as do the un-reliable Honda Odyssey.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    DC minivans do NOT have as many problems per minivan since 1999 as do the un-reliable Honda Odyssey

    Ok then show me some proof as usual you have nothing. You just keep pushing unsubstainable information. Well look at the posts heck I do and there is like 20 times as much Honda traffic as DCX traffic. This goes from problem to buying experience to upgrade etc. So go look at the posts maybe your can reverse engineer the honda posts so you can upgrade your 2002!!
    link title

    The JD powers shows the Chrysler Town and Country limited getting 3/5 for overall appeal and Ody getting 5/5 for overall appeal. Now people relize I'm only talking about satisfaction. Sure there are some catagories that DCX beats Ody but not in owner sat. Actually Seinna is the leader here!
  • From the J D Power site http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2005069
    Highest ranking minivans 2005, Toyota Sienna, Chrysler Town & Country, Dodge Caravan, Dodge Grand Caravan. (no mention of Odyssey)
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Most Chrysler minivan owners are NOT lurking in internet sites trying to see if others feel the purchase of a T&C is a wise choice. Same with Sienna, GM, and Ford minivans.

    If you're a Honda Ody owner or potential owner you have no other choice than to lurk on internet sites, looking for a "deal", checking out problems/issues. They need some justification to make a $30k+ purchase and to make themselves "feel" superior to lowly domestic brands.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Thats why they don't input all the problems they have they just complain to CR when they are asked. OWNER SATISFACTION FOR DCX VANS IS POOR. I wasn't satisfied!!

    Funny how DCX sells over 2 times as many minivans as anyone else, yet only CR seems to have problems with them, whereas the Honda sites are awashed in problems? Can someone provide explanation?

    If I were a Ody owner and just spent $30k on a minivan, I'd rave about it to everyone to! To let anyone know how vastly superior it was over much less expensive vans from the competition.

    Maybe you weren't satisfied, maybe you got a lemon even. But this is my third DCX van and I've been extremely satified with all of mine. I have never had any major problems, in fact NONE to speak of...just tires, brakes, and oil changes. The first two were company supplied, and believe me, they weren't babied, yet they were flawless. My best friends back in PA are on their 4th or 5th DCX minivan. You'd think after 20 years of building minivans, that if they were that bad, theyd be out of business, not gaining business.
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