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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    "C & D minivan June 2004 comparo: The 3.8L engine is gutless and won't cut it with the others(Honda, Toyota and Quest) in this class."

    Did C&D use the term "gutless," or are those your words?
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    If I remember correctly, those were the exact words from C&D.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Yes and more. Glad you asked.

    Here it goes...

    Lows:"Gutless engine, flacid suspension, iffy steering, slack back driver's seat"

    Verdict: "A great idea(i.e referring to StoGo) sabotaged by tofu mechanicals"

    I agree having rented 60 - 70 minivans in the past 2 yrs, mostly DGC with a few loaded new T &Cs at times.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    WHY don't you rent an Odyssey ? :cry:

    When people think that the Odyssey, Sienna, and Quest are superior, WHY do they rent the inferior DCG? :blush:
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Cannot find one, or a Sienna, or Quest!

    Maybe they are too good/unaffordable to rent??

    DGCs go for $37.99 daily at Dollar and Thrifty and are affordable. Similar prices at Alamo, Budget. I need the space to take my team to clients. The safety of a mnivan is also a plus.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    Well, the last T&C I drove was a 2003, I believe. If that 3.8 was "gutless" then I think Car & Driver's perspective is highly skewed, especially if the T&C is only one second slower than the Honda. I guess a magazine like Car & Driver would put an emphasis on speed.

    Dusty
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    If you drive by any rental lot (Enterprise, Budget, etc...) you will notice mostly domestics makes. It's all about economics. Domestic manufacturers sell their cars for deep discounts (fleet sales) to rental companies. Japanese car companies don't need to discount their products to sell them. Therefore, rental companies don't buy them.

    Selling to rental companies helps sell units and for many years it allowed Ford to brag about the Taurus being the top seller in the family sedan category. I know this Ford comment is completely off topic, but I just wanted to make my point.

    But, I still love our T&C..... ;)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,346
    I also agree, there is nothing wrong with a pushrod engine. GM's 3800 engine is a great example. It's a lot smoother and more refined than Chrysler's.

    Still, having a pushrod engine doesn't make for a bad car.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,346
    It must be remembered that in many parts of our country, driving a "foreign" car is taboo. That, in itself has a lot to do with this.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Lows:"Gutless engine, flacid suspension, iffy steering, slack back driver's seat"

    Funny, Edmonds says,

    "Excellent ride and handling characteristics, good low-end pull from 3.8-liter V6, roomy cabin, nifty fold-flat second- and third-row seats."

    New Car test drive . com says,

    "On the road, the Dodge Grand Caravan and Caravan offer a smooth ride and responsive handling. These are family-friendly vehicles that offer the features and flexibility most buyers want and there's a model for every budget. Most models come with a powerful V6 engine that delivers strong acceleration for merging onto hectic freeways. Anti-lock brakes and side-impact airbags are available.

    Automotive.com says,
    " The 3.8-liter V6 available for the Grand Caravan delivers strong power. This big V6 is responsive when merging into fast freeway traffic, accelerating from "intersections, or passing on two-lane roads.

    Canadan Online Auto Review says,

    "On the road, the Grand Caravan offers a smooth ride and predictable handling. The test Grand Caravan SXT had the 3.8-litre V6 and its power off-the-line or when merging into freeway traffic was impressive."

    All of which is the opposite of gutless engine and iffy handling, don't you think?
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    C & D is more oriented to testing the dynamics, handling, acceleration, cornering, etc to the likes of energetic, highly spirited drivers. C & D does actual measurements (with actual g's) for acceleration, cornering, slalom with more lead feet than others who try to do similar measurements. So you get the extreme capabilities/limits of the tested vehicles.

    Most other testing sources just do their testing with driving impressions and state just generalities and subjective (not objective) comments like you described. This may be adequate for a broad group of people. But for the car enthusiasts in us, irregardless of vehicle types, that is not sufficient.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Most other testing sources just do their testing with driving impressions and state just generalities and subjective (not objective) comments like you described. This may be adequate for a broad group of people. But for the car enthusiasts in us, irregardless of vehicle types, that is not sufficient.


    CR, test of Dodge, verses Honda, on the quarter mile. Honda 16.9 sec. Dodge,17.7 sec. Less than one sec. difference Mac. While I'd admit that the Honda is faster and does a better job passing at higher speeds, you still can not call the Dodge gutless.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    CR does NOT use lead feet like C & D does and their times are always slower for all the same cars tested by both agencies.
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    Macakava please re-read the post 3748. If you were to put all the so called experts in one small room, they would not be crowded. If you believe the ratings without doing your own comparasons perhaps they could choose a wife or girlfriend for you too,
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    CR does NOT use lead feet like C & D does and their times are always slower for all the same cars tested by both agencies.


    That is why I could care less what C&D says. We are driving family minivans Mac, not sport cars. Most of us want a van with an engine that will be powerful enough to get us up a mountain without straining, enter a freeway and be able to melt in with the moving traffic. Pass cars that are not keeping up with the flow of traffic. We could care less if it can't out race the car or van next to us. Maybe that means something to you and a few other lead foots, but not to most of us. We are carrying family and friends in our vans and we just want to get them from point A, to point B, safe. I could care less if you beat me there by 30 sec. less. You seem to have a hard time understanding that.
  • minivanguyminivanguy Posts: 85
    I think 1 second means alot, because that would mean that the odyssey is only 2.3 seconds slower than the hemi powered charger. ;) "2005 models of coarse"
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "That is why I could care less what C&D says. "

    As I said in the past, it depends on where you are in the driving spectrum from the "Floridian retiree types" on one end to the "Mario Andretti types" on the other end. It is obvious and I fully understand where each one of us belong. :)

    It does not matter what vehicle type we drive, the energetic spirited drivers prefer the vehicle to have great dynamics/handling and swift acceleration.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    One second is lot to those who understand and appreciate what it means in performance.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Been married for 31+ years. No divorce in on my side or my dear wife's side, unlike so much of the typical American family. I guess there is that good DNA in both of us!

    I have lots of girlfriends and they happen to be those of my many friends who are females.

    Maybe you are secretly crying from within for some female company through others? :)

    CR uses statistical data based on their sampling to predict/project their results with a certain level(say 90%+) of confidence. Those who do not understand statistics will certainly be doubters.
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    "CR uses statistical data based on their sampling to predict/project their results with a certain level(say 90%+) of confidence. Those who do not understand statistics will certainly be doubters." Please provide "any" detail on CR statistical data on what their sampling is. The only FACT that CR reveals is they only send questionaires to subscribers, and no numbers on the number of returns are given. I do understand statistics, having studied it in College.
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