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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I agree. While the Dodge/Chrysler interior is not nearly as nice, it is family friendly. It would be a lot harder to mess up the interior in the Chrysler/Dodge. And those stow-n-go seat bins can hide a lot of kids toys, blankets, ball equipment, diaper bags, tools, battery cables and what have you, and keep your van still looking neat.

    The battery saver feature saved me a dead battery the second day I had my van. The grand kids pushed two of the reading lamps on and I didn't notice it until the next day when I was going to the store and noticed them on. If it hadn't been for the battery saver, I would have had to call AAA.

    The Dodge/Chrysler vans are very family friendly. Just go to the store and have something big to load and find out you can get it in with stow-n-go seats and not have to pay $35.00 delivery charge or go home and take the seats out.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,924
    Why the anger?

    I didn't say anything bad about your beloved Chryslers.

    You happen to like them and that's a great thing. People should buy and drive the cars THEY like and not what someone else thinks they should be driving.

    But, I'm sorry...the market dictates pricing. Cars sell for what they are worth just like anything else.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    But, I'm sorry...the market dictates pricing. Cars sell for what they are worth just like anything else.

    Your right. I guess that is why Chrysler sells more mini vans than all the Japanese vans combined. Many don't think the Honda is worth what they are asking for them. They are nice, but not nice enough to warrant that big a price difference. More vans on the market means more to choose from, which means lower used van prices.

    But it's the attitude of many Honda owners on this board that gets me. They act as though they have the greatest van ever made and nothing goes wrong with them. Anything else is just a piece of junk.

    While you know I have always admitted Honda and Toyota makes a very good mini van, they are far from trouble free. These boards more than prove that.

    While Chrysler has had problems in the past, they are and have been, for the last 4-5 years, put out a pretty reliable mini van. But you'd have a hard time getting many Honda owners to ever admit it.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    And likes it. He says he can't tell any difference between it and a 6 year old Grand Caravan. One day when he got into the 2nd row seat of the GC, he wondered why the right sliding door did not close when he pulled on the handle. :confuse: (He is more interested in playing golf than looking at vehicles either on the internet or on a dealer lot).
    Off topic: was marine2 in the USMC?

    Semper Fi ;)
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Off topic: was marine2 in the USMC?

    Sure was
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    One reason so many DCX vans are on the road is the number dumped into Dollar and Thrifty's fleets every year, other rental companies too. I agree most ordinary people will opt to spend less $$ for the DCX vans. When people do the research and check out the real value and quality they go to Honda and Toyota. As I have said, I am the self proclaimed minivan expert as I am on my seventh since 1983. The Odyssey is clearly the best of the seven, no question. I'm the guy who did the market research poll last year where I actually drove the Freestar, T&C, Relay and Odyssey. It was that half hour drive in each that convinced me to trade my Silhouette for the Odyssey. You can talk all day about the one experience you had with a minivan but it cannot compare with the 23 years and seven van's worth I have. The person who has driven over 100 DCX vans should also be a resident expert. I try to give an honest opinion based on actual ownership. If my Odyssey turns to junk y'all will be the next to know. Whether you realize it or not, we do provide a valuable service to others doing their research prior to purchase.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    Why is it harder to mess up the interior of a DCX mini? Spills on upholstery are spills, period. That statement is not valid. Buy leather seats to avoid some stains. It would seem to me the DCX vans would be easier to mess up. Take a kid who spills his drink or ice cream on the floor in the second row and it dribbles into the Stow and Go compartment. :cry: Same thing in the Honda with the lazy Susan except the lazy Susan compartment has a rubber gasket to keep that from happening. ;)
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    I think isell is talking about tradein values
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "One reason so many DCX vans on the road is the number dumped ..."

    I find your buzz word "dumped" offensive as it implies something of little value...as in yesterdays garbage. Other words, such as "cheap" that some members have used, when describing the DCX vans are equally offensive. In previous posts you, and others, have asked for a civil discussion in comparing these two minivans. Yet, your selection and wording of sentences suggests otherwise.The Odyssey may be the best minivan to the self proclaimed expert of minivans...but it is obviously not the best to millions who have chosen something different.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I think isell is talking about tradein values

    I know. That is why I said because Chrysler sells so many, means people looking for a used Chrysler minivan, has a lot more choice, therefore, they would be priced less. It's like anything else, the more there are, the cheaper the price.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    "One reason so many DCX vans on the road is the number dumped ..."

    I find your buzz word "dumped" offensive as it implies something of little value...as in yesterdays garbage. Other words, such as "cheap" that some members have used, when describing the DCX vans are equally offensive. In previous posts you, and others, have asked for a civil discussion in comparing these two minivans. Yet, your selection and wording of sentences suggests otherwise.The Odyssey may be the best minivan to the self proclaimed expert of minivans...but it is obviously not the best to millions who have chosen something different.


    This is what I meant before. It's attitude of many of these Honda owners. You don't see that nearly as much with Toyota owners.

    As for the only reason Chrysler sells so many is becaused they're dumped on rental agencies, that doesn't work either. Chrysler sells to Advantage and Thrifty exclusively. They also sell to Enterprise and Hertz, along with G.M. Ford and Kia. National and Alamo get their vans from G.M. So G.M. sells to as many rental agencies as Chrysler and they aren't even in the running for minivans sold in a year.

    As for how good Honda is, I believe they have the best minivan out. They have several very good features that many other vans don't have. But they are not trouble free as Honda owners would like people to believe and they are very over priced. That is why many people buy Chrysler minivans. They don't have all the fancy features of a Honda, but they are good looking, smooth riding, quiet, reliable and fairly priced. Much like comparing a Caddy to a Buick. Even though we know the Caddy is nicer, we know it's no more reliable than the Buick. As a matter of fact, Buick is the most reliable car G.M. makes.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Please don't categorize all of us Honda owners by just one or two people! My OPINION, is that any "slams" on one car or another should be backed up with fact, not with harsh words. This is true of all forum-ees.
  • Well, got my 03 Dodge Grand Caravan SE 2.5 years ago from the auction. Paid 14.500$. Loved the van - didn't have any problems till 48k on odometer - at which point the transmission needed to be replaced. Thank god, back than Chrysler did offer 70k powertrain warranty and it was covered. But 48k for the transmission? I thought that problem was solved by Chrysler few years back. Anyway - there is no way I am going to keep that van after 70k and there is no way I would buy another Dodge in the future. Shopped at Toyota dealer today - they are willing to give me 5000$ for my Gr Caravan trade-in - where are my savings now? Unless I am able to sell it by owner, the cost of owning that vehicle going to be as big or even bigger than Toyota or Honda (Sienna being a better one as far as my concern). Not to mentioned, Chrysler doesn't offer their extended warranty for 70k free of charge anymore.
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    Please don't categorize all of us Honda owners by just one or two people! My OPINION, is that any "slams" on one car or another should be backed up with fact, not with harsh words. This is true of all forum-ees.

    Great points. Folks, please take another look at the title of this discussion. We're not here to compare/critique the owners of these vehicles -- just the vehicles. Characterizations of any owners of any vehicle here are likely to insult 50% of the participants.

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  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Well if your willing to take that kind of cut on a trade for a Toyota, you shouldn't worry about the tranny going out, you could buy three transmissions for what they want to give you and for what it's worth.

    Chrysler does have the tranny problem fixed. But like everything else, there could be a lemon tranny there. It also could be the tranny had the fluid changed and Chrysler fluid was not put back in. They stress that you can not use any other fluid but Chrysler fluid. Some tranny dealers still believe you can use an alternitive fluid and that just isn't so.

    My brother had his changed about a month ago at a independent shop owned by an old neighbor. This guy also didn't put Chrysler fluid in my brother's van. I told my brother about it, even showed him where Chrysler said don't do it. Still my brother didn't change it. He said the guy works on trannies all the time and knows what he's doing. I am just waiting for him to have problems down the road.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    And as of 12/29/2005, I do NOT personally know one repeat Odyssey owner. (Could it be because the oldest Odd owned by a person I know is a 2001 Odd EX.?) :shades:
    My sister got a used 1986 Caravan with 11 K miles and 1 year old. Sold it to a friend when it had 170,000 miles with NO problems other than being underpowered.
    Why did she sell it? Her husband wanted an Explorer to pull a large camper and could not pull the camper with a 4 cyl Caravan. ;)
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    My brother's Plymouth minivan is a 2001. So far he put front brakes on it and it needed a freeze plug replaced. I guess that's not to bad for a 2001.

    My Sister back in Ohio, just bought a 2006 Chrysler minivan.(But black in and out?) Noooo

    Tomorrow will be the first anniversary since I bought my Dodge and also the same day and month I retired. I asked my wife what she was going to get me to calibrate my two anniversaries. She says you forget our anniversary and you remember that? You get nothing from me.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    And as of 12/29/2005, I do NOT personally know one repeat Odyssey owner.

    Ok, my aunt had a 2000, and now has a 2005. She buys a car every five years, and wanted what she had, but likes the new one even better. Not sure what your posts proves or brings to the table, but it can't be that different from this one!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    This is what I meant before. It's attitude of many of these Honda owners. You don't see that nearly as much with Toyota owners.

    Well maybe its me your talking about. I also own a Subaru and have owned many DCX products. And probably will own some in the future. I find that most posts are made by a small amount of people who have too much time on their hands. As for knowing what car someone owns when I first meet them usually I have no idea.

    As for the only reason Chrysler sells so many is becaused they're dumped on rental agencies, that doesn't work either. Chrysler sells to Advantage and Thrifty exclusively. They also sell to Enterprise and Hertz, along with G.M. Ford and Kia. National and Alamo get their vans from G.M. So G.M. sells to as many rental agencies as Chrysler and they aren't even in the running for minivans sold in a year

    I know one area the DCX vans do alot of business! I work as a Field Service Engineer. Thats how I got my first 2 DCX vans we run them for 2 years or 50K whichever comes first. So I'm sure there are alot leased like this for many companies! It will make the resale values much lower. That plus minivan stigma.

    But they are not trouble free as Honda owners would like people to believe and they are very over priced.

    Mine has been trouble free. I think I payed a fair price for a very good van.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    would think those complaints surly should be taken into consideration. Many are complaining of the same things. I am glad your not having problems with your van, I feel good I haven't either.

    There seems to be lots of posts from none onda owners on there most of the non Honda owners from here have more posts then me. Then you have to respond. I think the main issues have been wind noise, break noise, glove box alignment(which they all look the same to me big gap) I have seen one engine, one tranny,and one AC but I'm not upset. I just wonder why people who don't own the van are?? Cause if you use that logic then DCX hasn't sold many vans this year!! Look at the DCX purchase price and experience. Theres nothing there. As for posts Honda problems, heck Jipster wrote 40 of them.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    But they won't come any closer than $5100 more than a dodge. the odyssey is nice but not that nice.

    Well that sounds about right this early in the model year. I wasn't too concerned with the nice part or the Honda part(this is my first Honda but who knows if I'll buy another) My wife wanted to look at the Pilot and we came across the Odyssey. As far as minivans go it had all I wanted standard items (side airbags/VSC/EBD) I liked the way it drove and love the passing times braking distances. It is the most comfortable minivan for me. That will make the next 8+ years pleasurable. As for keeping the interior clean. That hasn't been a problem. My last van I was like I don't care about the inside. Just made sure i did all the maintenance. well my 3 kids trashed it pretty good. Now with a few guidelines my van stays very nice. I wipe down the seats(I have leather) in about 15 minutes every 3 months and people think I just bought it. I have over 8K and have had it since the end of May.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    I find your buzz word "dumped" offensive as it implies something of little value...as in yesterdays garbage. Other words, such as "cheap" that some members have used, when describing the DCX vans are equally offensive.

    Man where were you when someone came out and called all Honda owners all sorts of names. i believe it was the how to be a Honda owner post. I think dump is a little harsh myself I believe flooding the market to be more PC.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    "Dumped" is not my word, I am not that smart. "Dumped" is used in the automotive press. Anyone here read about five or six auto rags each work day? I do. I first saw the word "dumped" used years ago when Ford, behind Toyota's Camry in sales near the end of the year, would "dump" a few thousand Tauruses into the rental fleets to keep Taurus #1 in sales.

    I am not a snob. Our other car is a 2005 Kia Sportage, about as low on the automotive food chain as one can get. (Wonderful car by the way. I post very positive notes on that board)

    How many of you out there had parents or are a parent who has told their children "They would have to pay me to buy that thing"? Well, what are DCX, Ford and GM doing with their minivans? They are paying thousands of $$ in rebates to get you to buy their product. Now if that is not dumping, cheapening or lowering the perceived overall impression what is?

    I stand by every word I write here. I don't think anyone one of you Honda bashers, DCX, Ford or GM buyers has as much minivan owning experience as I.

    Oh, I forgot one other thing my parents taught me and I taught my kids and hopefully my grandson: "Sticks and stones, blah, blah, blah......" :)
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Maybe the DC minivan is the entry level low cost vehicle as a prelude/or graduate to better/more refined vehicle later?? :)

    Just like buying your first little cheap house/condo and then later buy/upgrade a larger mansion when your income improves?

    Once you upgrade, it is very difficult to look back.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    One other thing: I believe "pc" has ruined this country. Why not just say what is on your mind, straight out? Being namby-pamby and mincing words is awful.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "As for the only reason Chrysler sells so many is becaused they're dumped on rental agencies, that doesn't work either. Chrysler sells to Advantage and Thrifty exclusively. They also sell to Enterprise and Hertz, along with G.M. Ford and Kia. National and Alamo get their vans from G.M. So G.M. sells to as many rental agencies as Chrysler and they aren't even in the running for minivans sold in a year. "

    The DGC is the most common minivan across all rental companies and I believe that Chrysler sells the most minivans to them. From my almost 100 minivan rentals, I have seen DGCs, Siennas, Uplanders, and Terrazzas at National/Alamo locations.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    The DGC is the most common minivan across all rental companies and I believe that Chrysler sells the most minivans to them. From my almost 100 minivan rentals, I have seen DGCs, Siennas, Uplanders, and Terrazzas at National/Alamo locations.

    Well National and Alamo advertise that they use G.M. vehicles exclusively. So if they are renting out minivans of other makes, it goes to show what they think of G.M. vans.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    EXACTLY why many repeat DC minivan owners started with a 4 cyl Caravan or Voyager and "moved up" to a Grand Caravan or Grand Voyager with a V6 and for third minivan got a GC LE or T&C LXi...and now drive a loaded GC SXT or T&C Limited. ;)
    They have looked at and test driven a cheaper feeling Odd LX or EX but the higher noise level and lack of nice features prevented them from "stepping down" to a noisier interior....even if they had to give up owning the "high tech" VTEC engine. :shades:
    I frequently drive a 2001 Odd EX and closely compared it to the 2002 GC Sport. Result: I bought a used 2002 T&C LX (which is almost identical to the 02 GC Sport).
    I drove the 01 Odd EX again just 4 days ago and was again reminded of the noisier, spartan interior of the Odd compared to the T&C LX...even though the driver's seat of the Odd is more comfortable for me than the T&C driver's seat.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    How many of you out there had parents or are a parent who has told their children "They would have to pay me to buy that thing"? Well, what are DCX, Ford and GM doing with their minivans? They are paying thousands of $$ in rebates to get you to buy their product. Now if that is not dumping, cheapening or lowering the perceived overall impression what is?

    You might consider it dumping, but in a way, it's a good idea in the long run to cut prices as much as you can. Especially if your putting out a dependable product. Your building a base of loyal customers that will usually buy your product again when he/she is ready to buy. If the product is good, it also can influence friends and family. Which it did with my sister buying a 2006 Chrysler minivan. She saw what kind of luck my brother had with his 2001 Plymouth minivan and with the incentive Chrysler is giving out now, she jumped on it after driving a number of other vans.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Wow, you sure had a load of buckshot in your posting! You fired a broadside at the Odyssey based on what facts, the complaints on Edmunds?

    I think there's plenty of ammo for Marine based on recalls, and many Ody owners with the same problems i.e..wind noise, brake pad issues etc....
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