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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    You take the 0% financing and invest the money. My money market yield is 3.19%. 30k 3.19% for 5 years yields 5K+.

    Good point!! I was only getting 2% from charles schwab in May. Made no sense do all the credit stuff and have payment. Did you have to decline the rebate to get 0%. You also pay taxes on the interest so let's deduct(It would be about 3000 not 5000 in my tax basis) that's if you want to look at everything. Yes there is alot of factors in buying a car!! Since 0% is not available it's really a moot point until it comes back!!!
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    It's very true. Look at the number of DC vans on the road vs Honda and there should be about 10x as many DC owners posting/praising/complaining/otherwise. The fact is, most Honda owners are more enthusiastic about vehicles and will hang out at a forum to talk about them.

    IMHO, anyone with a whim for good performing cars is going to be drawn to the better handling/driving/performing van. I don't like vehicles that handle/drive poorly and even make mods to many of my vehicles that don't perform to my liking. I felt a difference between the Dodge and Honda vans. Not a huge difference, but better is better in my book. There are tons of folks that are perfectly happy driving a Taurus, particularly because it's a bargain. I try to avoid them even at the rental counter.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    For me it's just the quality issues. Regardless of the Edmunds posts, does anyone here have any accurate quality figures for both the Ody & GC?

    If it's quality issues, look at Chrysler/Dodge vans for the last three years on this board and see how many complaints you read. Especially the 2005. Quality in Chrysler vans has gone to an all time high for Chrysler vans. You can also see it on Chrysler message boards.

    I admit in earlier years they did have more than their share of problems. That is no longer true today. :D
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    It's very true. Look at the number of DC vans on the road vs Honda and there should be about 10x as many DC owners posting/praising/complaining/otherwise. The fact is, most Honda owners are more enthusiastic about vehicles and will hang out at a forum to talk about them.

    IMHO, anyone with a whim for good performing cars is going to be drawn to the better handling/driving/performing van. I don't like vehicles that handle/drive poorly and even make mods to many of my vehicles that don't perform to my liking. I felt a difference between the Dodge and Honda vans. Not a huge difference, but better is better in my book. There are tons of folks that are perfectly happy driving a Taurus, particularly because it's a bargain. I try to avoid them even at the rental counter.


    Even if Honda owners are more enthusiastic about vehicles (which I question), the number of DCX owners and probability of problems should cancel this out. I really believe Chrysler is having awesome year, and we're starting to see benefit from Daimler takeover.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    If it's quality issues, look at Chrysler/Dodge vans for the last three years on this board and see how many complaints you read. Especially the 2005. Quality in Chrysler vans has gone to an all time high for Chrysler vans. You can also see it on Chrysler message boards.

    I admit in earlier years they did have more than their share of problems. That is no longer true today


    I think they're making progress too. But this forum isn't good for telling what the quality is and never will be it's too thin a slice of the population.I saw a guy on the honda board upset that his 1999 Odyssey had a transmission problem after 120,000 miles. He [post multiple times and people tried to explain that 100,000 miles + from a auto isn't that bad. Now I barely see anyone posting in the dodge forum even from the so called bad years makes you wonder huh??
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    Even if Honda owners are more enthusiastic about vehicles (which I question), the number of DCX owners and probability of problems should cancel this out.

    What's to question? Between the three main Honda Odyssey forums (prices paid, 2005+, and 1999-2004) there are over 21,000 posts. The Caravan and T&C posts have less than 10,000 posts on the same basic threads. There's basically zero activity on these boards from Caravan owners. And in the real-world, they outnumber Odyssey owners by multiples of 3 or 4 just since the Ody has been around.

    The fact of the matter is, the Ody is a strong seller for Honda regardless of whether you think they're overpriced. Not everyone buys based on price.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Even if Honda owners are more enthusiastic about vehicles (which I question), the number of DCX owners and probability of problems should cancel this out. I really believe Chrysler is having awesome year, and we're starting to see benefit from Daimler takeover.


    Ok Chrysler is getting better but they've had better reliability then Mercedes for quite some time!!! As to something cancelling out. I'd say NO you would have to know how many dodge owners come on this site vs honda owners! Do you know?? I have a good idea by looking at the most researched vehicles on this site!! The Honda Odyssey is the 6th most researched vehicle. The Caravan and the T&C(Claires can you tell me the place they are in??) are not in the top 50. So tell me where is the interest?? ODYSSEY!!! I know thats too simple for you but all the indicators point to WAY more interest in the ODY!!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    The Honda Odyssey is the 6th most researched vehicle. The Caravan and the T&C(Claires can you tell me the place they are in??) are not in the top 50. So tell me where is the interest?? ODYSSEY!!! I know thats too simple for you but all the indicators point to WAY more interest in the ODY!!


    That very well could be because the Dodge/Chrysler is a much older body style and does a lot more advertising. It would be almost impossible for people not to know all about these vans. Meanwhile, the Honda is new, do not advertise that much and I am sure very little is known about them.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I think they're making progress too. But this forum isn't good for telling what the quality is and never will be it's too thin a slice of the population.I saw a guy on the honda board upset that his 1999 Odyssey had a transmission problem after 120,000 miles. He [post multiple times and people tried to explain that 100,000 miles + from a auto isn't that bad. Now I barely see anyone posting in the dodge forum even from the so called bad years makes you wonder huh??

    I would be willing to give you Honda owners post here more than Chrysler/Dodge owners. But you still have to admit, the ones that do post here that have vans that are only three years old are having mostly minor problems or no problems at all. It is amazing how few owners are complaining of the 2003, 2004 and 2005's. I am going on nine months with mine and have only had to have oil changes.

    I remember posting one from the Chrysler board (that I got chewed out for ) where the guy with a 2005 wrote he was bored, as there was nothing to write about on his van. It works perfectly after 10 months of ownership. Believe me, I have read plenty of complaints on Chrysler/Dodge vans in the 1990's. Chrysler has really got their act together on the newer vans. They work like they should and they have more electrical components than ever before.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    The Honda Odyssey is the 6th most researched vehicle. The Caravan and the T&C(Claires can you tell me the place they are in??) are not in the top 50. So tell me where is the interest?? ODYSSEY!!! I know thats too simple for you but all the indicators point to WAY more interest in the ODY

    People researching is fine, but where are they putting their hard earned $$$$$? Lets's see what Claires comes back with. Also, when you think MINIVAN, most people think of Dodge, it's like "making a xerox" etc... Also, there's many more Dodge/Chrysler dealerships in the US where people can actually go and drive one instead of searching online.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Also, there's many more Dodge/Chrysler dealerships in the US where people can actually go and drive one instead of searching online.

    The dealership, that must be where there complaining too!! I think you figured it out. THANKS!!
  • Claire@EdmundsClaire@Edmunds Chicago areaPosts: 968
    Odyssey is at spot #6 of 50 at Edmunds and at spot #5 of 25 at Kelley Blue Book for this year. T&C isn't on either list.

    That said, I'm a host here and don't do much research... I'm here to hand out drinks and snacks, fluff pillows, and try to make sure everyone is getting along. It doesn't seem to be working here. :-(

    Please take the pricing issues to the discussions where they belong -- you know where they are. This topic, on the other hand, is for comparing the features of the vehicles so that readers can choose between them. It's not a debate about which is "better". That's an argument whose only purpose is to raise blood pressures and tempers. Nobody is going to concede his/her position and nobody's going to win. So let's move on to the real purpose of the topic.

    Claire

    HOST

  • tysons4tysons4 Posts: 5
    I can't imagine you'd have a problem pulling a pop-up with either vehicle. I pulled an 18' travel trailer with an Odyssey for perhaps 10,000 miles or so before I sold it. This was a normal trailer, not a pop up and pushed the limit of the 3500 lb towing rating of my Odyssey. With the exception of extreme uphill climbs, like going over the Rockies, which we did, the Odyssey pulled this trailer with realtive ease.

    Unless you pop-up is an unusually big one, your towing weight will be much less than that, plus you're not going to have the wind resistance drag.

    I just recently replace the Odyssey with a T&C because I needed AWD. Our T&C has the 3.8 L. I haven't pulled anything with it yet, but the accelleration and responsiveness feels very comparable to the Odyssey.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I can't imagine you'd have a problem pulling a pop-up with either vehicle. I pulled an 18' travel trailer with an Odyssey for perhaps 10,000 miles or so before I sold it. This was a normal trailer, not a pop up and pushed the limit of the 3500 lb towing rating of my Odyssey. With the exception of extreme uphill climbs, like going over the Rockies, which we did, the Odyssey pulled this trailer with realtive ease.

    Did you have tow package? If not, I'd hate to be person who bought your old Oddy!!!
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Also, there's many more Dodge/Chrysler dealerships in the US where people can actually go and drive one instead of searching online.

    The dealership, that must be where there complaining too!! I think you figured it out. THANKS!!


    The reason Oddy buyers are researching so much more than anybody else is to keep up with all the recalls and service bulletons on their purchases!!
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    The fuel consumption reports of various magazines are no different and no more reliable than the results obtained by any driver. Fuel consumption varies and is highly dependent on driver action and driving conditions. Thus, the comparisons found in these magazines prove nothing.

    The only method that is a reliable indicator of a vehicle's potential fuel consumption is the EPA certification testing.

    Dusty
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    I agree with your assessment on the reliability of Chrysler mini-vans. My company currently has about 3500 of them and they are the best of the bunch (Chevy, Dodge, & Ford). However, if I were to categorize the most troublesome areas for the 2003-2005s Dodges, I'd have to say electrical problems are number one. Then again, our Ventures are having similar type problems (wiper motors, for instance!).

    In general mechanical issues requiring a visit to the dealer for service, and "out-of-service" time, are significantly reduced on most of our vehicles from the early nineties. In the mini-van area Chrysler is now doing the better job, though.

    Dusty
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    That said, I'm a host here and don't do much research... I'm here to hand out drinks and snacks, fluff pillows, and try to make sure everyone is getting along. It doesn't seem to be working here.

    Thanks for the info!! I'll try to be more civil in the future! I would love to just talk about the features but some of the times people make it sound like Honda is just too expensive. I think that all the info is important.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    The reason Oddy buyers are researching so much more than anybody else is to keep up with all the recalls and service bulletons on their purchases!!

    You don't really believe this do you?? The Odyssey is also the most wanted by editor/consumers on this site. I have no issue with the Dodge it's fine for what it does I just prefered the Honda. I tried to say what I liked about the van early on. I liked the standard safety features, the looks, the handling/preformance, EPA fuel economy, the packaging(Ididn't have to look all over, oh this one has this but not that) and reliablity history. Now the Dodge has Stow and Go, knee blocker, more choices(Which can be good and bad try finding exactly what you want at a dealer I always seem to have to comprimise), and is a little lower priced. It's best that people drive them and then look at getting several quotes the price differance may suprise you. I also thing for 2006 Dodge is going back to 3year/36K mile warrenty for both bumper to bumper and power train. Looks like Honda is going 3/36k bumper to bumper, 5/60K for the powertrain. Damn this always happens to me!! Dodge went to 7/70 4 months after i bought my Caravan.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    NOT with my reliable 2002 T&C LX.
    I am frankly quite shocked to read of all the problems with the 2005 Odyssey and I am glad I did not sell my T&C to my daughter to get a new Odyssey. The DC minivans are now more reliable than the Odyssey.
    If you are a very aggressive driver, buy the more powerful Odyssey but if you want personal comfort items, buy the Grand Caravan or Town & Country and save $10,000 or more. ;)
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