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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    The '94 is essentially worthless to everyone but me. I think I'll keep it; it's just too good of an utilitarian vehicle to be without. Its interior is like new, it's on the original 4-speed ECT (158K), and the engine (3.3L OHV V6) still is in good shape with very little oil consumption between the 3K oil changes.

    Thank you for the info!! I've seen posts on here that domestics don't last long term. Usually there's no basis for the belief, all you have to do is say it to make it true. You take care of your car, it'll take care of you.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    While y'all mull over the importance of Stow and Go read this:

    NHTSA said it's probing air bags on 410,000 of DCX's 2005 minivans. The NHTSA minivan inquiry covers Chrysler Town & Country and Dodge Caravan and Grand Caravan models, for which five complaints have been received that an air-bag crash sensor failed, NHTSA said.

    So, while your van is full of "stuff" on your nice, flat floor, your face, head and upper torso have been flung through the windshield.

    Wouldn't most of you prefer that your airbags go off in a crash? And, based on an earlier discussion about how just a few complaints on here equal widespread flaws in Honda vans, you would have to agree that five failed airbag deployments represents a horrific flaw in the DCX vans.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "..your face, head and upper torso have been flung through the windshield"

    Doubtful...if one had their seatbelt on no part of the body would be flung through the windshield.

    But, yes...in a crash I would prefer that my airbags go off. Though I would not yet jump to any conclusions about any "flaws" until the study is complete.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    Though I would not yet jump to any conclusions about any "flaws" until the study is complete.

    That is like saying "Even though this airline has a terrible maintenance record they have not had a crash so I can fly safely".

    My primary reason for posting the original message was to show some of the Honda bashers who claim a couple of posts on here equal a massive latent defect in the Odyssey. Apparently NHTSA feels that way about 400,000+ DCX minis based on five complaints.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Remember that the Odyssey was THE ONLY minivan in which a door flew open during a side impact crash test. :sick:
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    Yes but that situation was corrected. I have not heard of any airbag misfires on the Odyssey.

    I remember my 1989 Festiva having a seatbelt recall. Ford had Festiva owners bring the car to the dealer for replacement of defective latches. Since the parts were on back order Ford gave me a loaner to use for six weeks until the parts arrived. It was a safety issue and Ford did not want the liability in case of an accident. Shouldn't DCX do the same? A safety system failure should be cause to park the vehicle until repair can be made.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I have not heard of any airbag misfires on the Odyssey.

    Maybe you haven't but someone obviously has:

    2005 Honda Odyssey Touring NHTSA Recall ID Number: 05V344000
    Recall Date: AUG 01, 2005
    Component: AIR BAGS:FRONTAL:SENSOR/CONTROL MODULE
    Potential Units Affected: 85154
    Summary: THE FRONTAL AIR BAG SYSTEM HAS TWO EXTERNAL IMPACT SENSORS. ON CERTAIN MINI VANS,SOME SENSORS WERE INSUFFICIENTLY SEALED DURING MANUFACTURING. IF WATER ENTERS A SENSOR, CORROSION CAN OCCUR. CORRODED SENSORS COULD SHORT CIRCUIT INTERNALLY. IF SENSORS FAIL, THE SRS WARNING LAMP ON THE INSTRUMENT PANEL WILL TURN ON AND REMAIN ILLUMINATED.
    Consequence: FRONT IMPACT SENSOR FAILURE COULD CAUSE A DELAY IN, OR LOSS OF, FRONTAL AIR BAG DEPLOYMENT, WHICH CAN INCREASE THE RISK OF INJURY IN A FRONTAL CRASH.
    Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE FRONT IMPACT SENSORS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON AUGUST 30, 2005. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
    Notes: AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., P80


    I wouldn't be surprised if these two issues are related somehow...maybe same supplier?
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    Owners of these affected Odysseys should be able to park them at a dealer and get a loaner until the fix is made. Honda must have bought the sensors from DCX :)
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "I have not heard of any airbag misfires on the Odyssey"

    Per the Louisville Courier Journal...in the DCX case the NHTSA stated they had "recieved 5 complaints claiming failure in 2005 model year minivans of the front air bag crash sensors. The complaints said dealers replaced the front crash sensors after receiving questions about the air bag warning lamp iluminating. Field reports indicate the sensors may have failed because of corrosion."

    So, there were no accidental "misfires".
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    If a DCX van is in a wreck and the bags fail to inflate that would be a misfire.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    If a Honda van is in a wreck and the bags fail to inflate that would be a misfire.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Agree with dennis but CR would just ignore the facts and continue to list the Odyssey as their most highly recommended just as they ignore the fact that a door flew open during a side impact crash test. :sick:
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Agree with dennis but CR would just ignore the facts and continue to list the Odyssey as their most highly recommended just as they ignore the fact that a door flew open during a side impact crash test.

    Well seems like alot of places think the Odyssey is the highest rated van. They like all the features and driving dynamics. Let's see what Edmunds has to say about the 2006 minivan. It is the Editors most wanted for 2006.

    I like the review!

    Just as the New England Patriots have dominated professional football of late, Honda has virtually owned this segment since stealing the title from Chrysler in 1999. And 2006 is yet another championship year for the Odyssey. The Odyssey continues its tradition of carlike ride and handling, further enhanced by a stout structure and well-tuned suspension dynamics. If you're looking for a minivan that's enjoyable to drive in addition to being practical, Honda's van remains the leader in this area. The Honda Odyssey offers two V6 options. Both are 3.5-liter VTEC engines rated at 244 horsepower, and are mated to a five-speed automatic transmission.

    As far as the door flying open it still received a 5 star rating and it has been fixed for the 2006 model year.
  • fljoslinfljoslin Posts: 237
    I had a 1992 Grand Caravan (3.3L, 4 speed auto), purchased in 1995 with 70,000 miles and donated to charity in 2001 with 170,000 miles. The engine and trans ran fine when donated, F/R A/C (Freon 12) was awesome. The only real problem that I had was front axles. I used synthetic engine oil every 3k and changed the trans oil about once per year using synthetic Dextron III (Mobil 1). I replaced this vehicle with a 1995 Suburban which has 146,000 miles on it now and is a great rig except for the gas mileage (15 mpg hwy, 13 mpg city).
  • UGHHHHH. It's me again but I will blow all of your minds by posting a message 2 paragraphs or less. Impossible right?

    I think what needs to happen here is that once I receive my 2006 Grand Caravan SXT (Stow-n-Go), I'll post a message on this site 1 year from now and give you all a status on my opinion of it. We will go over how many problems I have or don't have, how much I used or didn't use stow-n-go and the special options I either liked or didn't care for. At any rate, my opinion would be unbiased cause I'm not really out to say Dodge or Honda is better than one another. And I would give some good facts based on my experiences not magazines. But then again, I might put Kiplinger and all of these other magazines out of business by telling the truth, not selling hype.

    After all, if I was an editor of any of those magazines.. I sure could sell alot of vans, just based on my opinion. I'm sure my phone would be lighting up with incentives and special deals from automakers to test drive and give a push for one of their vehicles. Sounds like a cushy job to me. As cushy as the seats. :)
  • ClaireS,

    I was just trying to have some fun with it.. make fun of the situation. I really think all of these people have honest opinions. They just really support and back in what they believe. I have my own opinions about things other than Vans and cars and I would be just like all of them arguing points. I guess that's better than just letting it all go and just believing what everyone tells us. When we get to that point.. we surely have lost are freedoms.

    And now a PR annoucement from Kiplinger on what van to buy and why. :)
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I'll post a message on this site 1 year from now and give you all a status on my opinion of it. We will go over how many problems I have or don't have, how much I used or didn't use stow-n-go and the special options I either liked or didn't care for.

    My first year is coming up in Dec....so far not a single problem, I usually have stow n go seats folded into floor. Have used them about 30% of the time. I hate the sliding climate controls and moving seats forward to use stow n go. I love my power rear hatch and side doors and sunroof. I have about 8500 miles on her, with typical MPG of 21mpg....short trips up to Sam's. I also love the way she tows my camper...piece of cake!

    BTW, these car rag editors don't live in the real world either. Very few of them own cars (other than show cars), or own the cars they review. They have a huge lot of cars to pick from daily.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    The only difference between the opinions of car magazine editors and anyone else is that they get paid for having an opinion. Since many of the accolades given most vehicles is based on subjective criteria, a good portion of public opinion will likely not match. For example, I cannot think of one car, mini-van or truck that has receive praise for seat comfort from opinion-for-hire magazine folks that I found comfortable. I find that ride, too, is usually subjective.

    In any event, given enough time any crown will fall, especially from complacency. And nowadays the last one in with new product usually trumps the field.

    Dusty
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Very few of them own cars (other than show cars), or own the cars they review.

    So people who don't own the car shouldn't talk about it?? Sounds good to me LOL!!!
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Very few of them own cars (other than show cars), or own the cars they review.

    So people who don't own the car shouldn't talk about it?? Sounds good to me LOL!!!

    My point is they don't live in the real world. Just like the Auto execs here in Detroit. They constantly get new cars to drive, drive em from their lush homes in West Bloomfield MI, to the office where they're cleaned and detailed daily, if there are service issues, they just get a new one, never having to take it to a dealership for service themselves.

    Same for auto rag editors and writers. Very few of them actually own real car, most have "toys" and use what's in the Car & Driver garage the rest of the time.

    I can only think of 2 writers who actually are real people with real cars.....it's a husband and wife team - He Drove, She Drove. Check out their articles...they're fun to read.

    He Drove, She Drove
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