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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    The numbers speak for themselves...

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-12-01-sales_x.htm

    "Toyota and Honda both have very strong brand equity that helps protect and shelter them from downturns in the industry."
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    .just look at a McDonald's happy meal sometime. You get electronic games for FREE!!! (made in China of course).

    That's really funny you should mention that. I was just playing with a fast-food electronic game yesterday with my granddaughter. It was some hard to read black blips that you could move around. Now I know where DC gets their Navigation...har har I kill me :P

    You don't even want to get me started on UAW. I'm not sure I even give GM/Ford a change. DC has a chance at least.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    I think it is difficult for drivers who live in the "no-snow" states to understand how treacherous it is to drive in snow, or when the snow melted and freeze again. VSC has saved my butt a few times and I was driving very slowly (<30mph). When a car slip, slide in snow w/o vsc or traction control, all you can do is feather the gas and try to steer the car out of the slide, which is easier said than done.
  • I need three new tires for my 01' T&C as the dealer replaced one before I picked it up in August, however my good tire is a T rated Uniroyal tiger paw touring one. However upon checking Uniroyal's website, they recommended a lesser speed rating as per the Chrysler's instruction which is 'S' rating. My local dealer can only get hankook tires in for me within my budget and they are 'T' Rated. I know the rating only apply to the speed and since i am no longer in mt 20s and have nth amount of kids, I stick to the 70m speed limit or below. Does any one know if this has any negative impact on the vehicle and secondly has anyone used hankook tires.

    opinions are welcome :shades:
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    need three new tires for my 01' T&C as the dealer replaced one before I picked it up in August, however my good tire is a T rated Uniroyal tiger paw touring one. However upon checking Uniroyal's website, they recommended a lesser speed rating as per the Chrysler's instruction which is 'S' rating. My local dealer can only get hankook tires in for me within my budget and they are 'T'

    Not really the right place for this but there is no problem with going up in speed rating(actually it will improve driving dynamics)as long as the load rating is the same or better.

    look here it may have your tire!
    link title
  • hraohrao Posts: 78
    I just learned that the 3.3L version of Dodge Grand Caravann is a Flex Fuel version and can run both on Ethanol E85 and Regular Gas, I have a 2004 model, to my surprise my Fuel door confirms that.
    I started using Ethanol since last month, its better than Hybrid since it does not use regular gas (No pollution), Ethanol is bio degradable, reduces our Oil dependance, and is cheaper than gas I am filling up for $1.85/gallon.
    Ethanol is made from Corn and Sugar.
    Ethanol
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    I started using Ethanol since last month, its better than Hybrid since it does not use regular gas (No pollution),

    It's only 85% ethonol and 15% petrol(gas) as far as pollution you should really check your facts before making that statement. While it does have a small advantage in CO(carbon monoxide) exhaust and NO(nitric oxide) emmissions it has a higher HC(hydrocarbon exhaust)it also reduces the MPG by about 24% even in FFV's.

    Look at the University of MIchigan Study link at the bottom!
    link title


    Ethanol is bio degradable, reduces our Oil dependance, and is cheaper than gas I am filling up for $1.85/gallon.

    It will reduce our Oil dependance but there are only about 400 pumps in the whole country. :cry: It may be cheaper but it gets less MPG. ;)

    Also cars that run this type fuel have more deposit buildups in the engine due to higher HC contents.

    Here is the data from e85fuel.com

    Use of E85 (85% ethanol and 15% gasoline by volume) achieves:
    &#149; 73&#150;75% reduction in petroleum use,
    &#149; 14&#150;19% reduction in GHG emissions, and
    &#149; 34&#150;35% reduction in fossil energy use.

    So if you look at epa web site the emissions is still way more than the new Odyssey. It only has a 14-19% reduction in greenhouse gas but more HC output.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Quick!!! Someone pinch me!!! I'm agreeing 100% with Socalawd!!!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Quick!!! Someone pinch me!!! I'm agreeing 100% with Socalawd!!!!

    Thats because I'm so reasonable!! NO it's because its about E85 and not vans. ;) I do wish that it was more available and more cars used it its always nice to have a choice!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Ethanol is bio degradable, reduces our Oil dependance, and is cheaper than gas I am filling up for $1.85/gallon.

    I just filled up with GASOLINE for 1.94 in my LEV 244 horsepower vehicle.
  • hraohrao Posts: 78
    You also get a $2000 tax credit in 2006,if you put this to use in 2005 you are eligible for a $2000 deduction
  • hraohrao Posts: 78
    Dodge Caravan 2WD
    city/HWY*Cost*(Greenhouse tons/yr)
    Gas**19**26**$1535**8.6
    E85**13**17**$2142**7.2 ($2000 tax credit)
    Honda Odyssey 2WD VCM,
    Gas**20**28**$1403**8.3
    Honda Odyssey 2WD
    Gas**19**25**$1535**8.9

    Is 7.2 smaller than 8.9
    There are now 7 E85 stations where I live and its not a problem for me to fill it up.
    Hybrid - Still uses gas
    Oil rich kingdoms get rich of that money
    and Exxon executives
    E85 helps farmers who grow Corn
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    If Honda can develop a Flex Fuel Odyssey, we will read that flex fuel is the best thing in minivans since the "Magic Seat". ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    If Honda can develop a Flex Fuel Odyssey, we will read that flex fuel is the best thing in minivans since the "Magic Seat".

    Kind of like the flex-fuel Taurus and Ranger that debuted in the 1990s?
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Dodge Caravan 2WD
    city/HWY*Cost*(Greenhouse tons/yr)
    Gas**19**26**$1535**8.6
    E85**13**17**$2142**7.2 ($2000 tax credit)
    Honda Odyssey 2WD VCM,
    Gas**20**28**$1403**8.3
    Honda Odyssey 2WD
    Gas**19**25**$1535**8.9

    Is 7.2 smaller than 8.9


    Where did you get this info. The greenhouse gas scores for odyssey are a 6 and for ethanol 3.3l it's a 4. Look here for Ethanol 3.3l
    http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/E-DODGE-Caravan-06.htm
    Wow look at that gas milage 13/19 compared to 17/26 for regular gas. Wow it looks like no bargain!
    Here's the odyssey
    http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/E-HONDA-Odyssey-06.htm

    There are now 7 E85 stations where I live and its not a problem for me to fill it up.
    Hybrid - Still uses gas
    Oil rich kingdoms get rich of that money
    and Exxon executives
    E85 helps farmers who grow Corn


    15% is still petrol and guess what alot of Ethanol is imported(its easier to get from sugar cane than corn)! Most of the stuff that comes from here is goverment subsidized and don't get me started on that kind of stuff. There are NO gas stations where I live CA. It is funny that you went from no pollution to 7.2 is better than 8.3!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    If Honda can develop a Flex Fuel Odyssey, we will read that flex fuel is the best thing in minivans since the "Magic Seat".

    Hey find me a E85 gas station! If you can't get it it's useless. BTW I had a FFV for 50 months. ;)

    Hey there's 3 stations in cali. Check this web site out to find a station near you!But only one in El Cajon is public! :cry:

    http://afdcmap.nrel.gov/locator/LocatePane.asp

    I do think CA should get away from MTBE and go to a E10. Which would run in our present cars.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    As the owner of a 2005 Dodge GC, let me say this. If money were no object and I didn't haul around a bunch of young kids, I think the Ody would be a great choice. It's much nicer inside and it is dependable.

    But I think if money is a factor and you have young kids, you can't go wrong with the Dodge/Chrysler. Even though the inside is not quite as nice as the Ody, it is more kid proof and just as dependable. Plus you have two great storage compartments that will hold gobs of toys, diaper bags or whatever, and still keep your van looking neat and clean. Also with the price difference between the two, your able to get the extras that make your van that much nicer to live with. Like power rear hatch, DVD player, over head computer and still have the 7/70 extended warrantee for peace of mind.

    I have always looked at the two vans as having different jobs. I see the Honda as a great looking, dependable people hauler. I see the Dodge/Chrysler as a great family van. Perfect for hauling kids and all their stuff, or loading it down at Home Depot.

    I think when comparing the two vans to buy, you need to ask yourself what your going to use it for.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    But I think if money is a factor and you have young kids, you can't go wrong with the Dodge/Chrysler. Even though the inside is not quite as nice as the Ody, it is more kid proof and just as dependable. Plus you have two great storage compartments that will hold gobs of toys, diaper bags or whatever, and still keep your van looking neat and clean.

    I think the DGC is a good value for the money and vans are more useful/safer(from driver death perspective) than SUV and most cars. I don't really think dependability should be a issue with ethier van.

    . I see the Honda as a great looking, dependable people hauler. I see the Dodge/Chrysler as a great family van. Perfect for hauling kids and all their stuff, or loading it down at Home Depot.

    I liked some of the safety gear and it was more comfortable for me in the Honda.

    I think when comparing the two vans to buy, you need to ask yourself what your going to use it for.

    I won't be using my honda for Home depot runs. I got a 6 year old Subie wagon and my Bro's truck for that! But if you want something for all that stuff and care very little about VSC. The DGC is a great choice. BTW marine good to see ya back in the forum!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Thanks for the welcome back socalawd.

    I had a nice club cab truck, but found it lacking, picking up three grandkids from school. When stow-n-go came out, I figured I could haul with the Dodge van, almost all the stuff I was hauling in my truck. Plus it gave me so much more room for the kids than what I had with the truck. Keeping one seat stowed, seemed to give me lots of room to set stuff in the side door, get the kids in and out fast and still have one big covered storage compartment under the other seat that I could hide stuff, like battery cables, tools, flashlight,can of instant flat and a furnitue pad. In the truck, all that layed out in the open, behind the front seat.

    I like the Ody a lot and think the inside looks just beautiful. But I can just about imagine how it would look two or three years down the road with those kids and the stuff I haul. Hard plastic can take a beating and still look new if not skuffed. Cloth looks nicer but won't take a beating. For me, seats that fold flat is much nicer than having to lift them out. Which is why I never bought a minivan before.I have helped take my brother's seats out on his 2002 minivan and didn't like it one bit. They were really heavy.

    I would have liked to have kepted the truck but my wife won't drive it and she won't even try and drive the minivan. Says they're both to big, which is why our second vehicle is a Civic.

    Anyway, that's the reason I chose the Dodge over the Ody.I needed a family friendly minivan and not a nice people hauler.
  • hraohrao Posts: 78
    Ethanol is 30cents cheeper per gallon, that compensates for low Mileage and you get a $2000 tax credit, do your math.
    Yes, I stand corrected - Less Pollution
    E85 Caravan 7.2 Tons of Greenhouse gases yer pear
    Honda 8.9 Tons of Greenhouse gases per year
    and the information is on
    Fuel Ecomony
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