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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    I see that you are observing the same conlcusion from the nearly 100 minivan rentals I have had in the past 2 years!
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Just these words from a news source I stated earlier would suffice,

    "Odyssey: State-of-the- minivan-art"
  • No mention of what models you were comparing. If it was dollar it was probably a LX or a base Town and Country, which replaces the Plymouth Voyager. The comparasion is only valid for a model to model matchup.T&C LX to Honda LX T&C Touring to Honda EX, T&C signature to Honda EXL, and T&C Limited to Honda Touring. These compare in LIST PRICE only. Suggest you pick one of the car comparison sites and compare features with actual selling price. Yes a Honda 3.8 is faster than a 3.3 T&C.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "Wasn't Sedonna the first Minivan with shifter on center console...long before Toyota and Honda? Now they have the most powerful engine in it's class, and all the high tech gizmos like stability control etc.. all for thousands less than Honda/Toyota.

    I'd say that's innovative."

    What's innovative about a shifter on the center console? If it is where I think it is, it comes in the way of moving to the back easily from the front and defeats minivan practicality. It provides no added performance. It may as well be in the driver's forehead.

    Engine power is said to be comparable at 240+hp but with a bigger (by 300 cc) displacement than Ody's. Sounds like "under-innovation"

    It is not as refined as the Ody's and I can bet you that I would out accelerate the Sedona in the straight and especially around corners. I would wait for you in the curvy off-ramp. Of course if you are not inclined, then less athletic performance would suffice in a wannabe.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    I disagree. The T & C had the Stow and Go that many here fawn over. The ride should be the same on all T & C vans. It was VERY noisy inside...like riding in an auditorium during a wind storm. Why no lighted cruise control or power window controls? Do the power windows retract if they meet resistance, like a child's neck? While I have not rented 100 of the DCX vans I have rented at least 20. When I owned my '03 Silhouette I thought the DCX vans were competitive. Since owning an Odyssey I see how inferior they are. Some say the Honda is over priced. I say you get what you pay for and in Honda's case it is comfort, reliability, safety (where is the stability control DCX?) and performance. In addition I get resale value. Why is there a side curtain airbag delete when ordering the RES? These vans are supposed to be for families with small children so why isn't every safety item standard as it is on the Odyssey? The Odyssey is the only minivan with head curtain airbags that have roll over sensors.
  • Why is there a side curtain airbag delete when ordering the RES? These vans are supposed to be for families with small children so why isn't every safety item standard as it is on the Odyssey?

    Because people like to make there own choices and not have the manufacture make the choices for them. I agree that these features should be standard, but not only on Daimlerchrysler minivans but all vechicles. If you didn't know, you can purchase the side curtain airbags as an option. Remember, price is a factor for a lot of people and vechicles are not an investment, unless they are antique. (Some come across as if they bought a house or a piece of land. As if vechicles bring us equity) Resale only makes you money if you trade in or sale it. So for those that have an Ody., to use the resale that most have bragged about, you need to sale or trade it. Which would mean, in the long run, you would have paid a lot more on these vechicles. It would be interesting to see how much in interest each Ody, T&C and DGC owner would have paid for the same % over a five year car loan with -0- down at signing. :shades:
  • i have one thing to say about DCX vans - solid rear axle wit leaf springs - this is the 21st century, what the hell is a solid rear axle (not to mention leaf springs) doing on a minivan?

    Because when dealing with heavy loads, 1800 lbs of cargo and passengers for most minivans, a solid rear axle with leaf springs gives better stability and less sag in the rear, then independent suspension with coil springs. If you look at trucks, they have a solid rear axle as well as most SUV's. :)
  • Here's an article about the different types of suspensions on vechicles.

    http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/techcenter/articles/43855/article.html
  • It's almost like saying the Odyssey EX is the same inside as a Odyssey touring. They are not! Still you haven't said which model Odyssey you own.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    you can only get on Ody touring for 40K+.

    You can? The only Touring I've ever seen stickered for $36k. if you know someone who paid 40 grand for any Honda, they're a sucker!

    BTW, that "high-tech" gas guzzlin' engine makes an extra 30 horsepower and runs on less fuel than your (what, old tech gas swallowing?) engine. Don't play the 'my car has an option yours doesen't' game, or I will have to mention the remote-opening power windows, the four-wheel independent suspension, the front parking sensors, rolling-code theft immobilzer key, side-window sunshades, rear-passengers roll-down windows, Vehicle Stability Control, and the list goes on. You can do the same thing with stow-and-go etc, but the majority of us here knows who offers what. You keep your low-tech gas-guzzlin engine; we'll keep our reliable, high-tech, high-output, high-economy engine and extra safety features. :shades:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Did you pay sticker for your new accord? Kelley blue book trade in for a EX with 60k is just under 10K. If they discounted the accord to say 1K over invoice I would say you got quite the deal.

    Truthfully, the van was immaculate (no dings at ALL or carpet stains) and had 39,400 miles on it when we handed over the keys, so blue book had it near $12k
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    i have one thing to say about DCX vans - solid rear axle wit leaf springs - this is the 21st century, what the hell is a solid rear axle (not to mention leaf springs) doing on a minivan?

    Because when dealing with heavy loads, 1800 lbs of cargo and passengers for most minivans, a solid rear axle with leaf springs gives less sag in the rear than independent suspension with coil springs. If you look at trucks, they have a solid rear axle as well as most SUV's.

    This is also why trucks have choppy, jittery rides unless heavily loaded. The DCX isnt really harsh, but less controlled and carlike in its motions compared with independent suspensions (ody and sienna).
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    How much have people actually paid for such a vehicle? Then you would have to add to that for the more powerful engine, the 5 speed auto, stability control and I am not even going to talke about reliability or resale value of the Honda. If you go down this path, I don'y think that the prices are that different.

    Reliability of Ody???? LOLOLOLOL, I'm sure you guys don't want to talk about that!!! DISMAL!

    And we DCX owners can now get side airbags with sunfroof for 2006. Subtract from Honda lack of Stow N Go, no power hatch, knee airbags, opening rear vents etc... I can play that game, then ADD the savings, usually many thousands, over an Ody, factor in less financing - interest earned over interest paid!!! There's a huge difference!
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Let me ask again. How much did you pay for your Chrysler Town and Country with similsr features (other that engine, transmission, suspension all worse) to a Honda EX-L? It is simple.

    I can't speak for T&C, but my similar equipped DCX DGC SXT to Honda EX was almost $10,000 LESS!! That was a year ago exactly, with EP before (from DCX employee/friend) and all rebates/financing. Most DCX buyers can get $5k off easily. Not sure what "worst" means? For all of Honda's touted gizmos, they're within spitting distance in mileage, braking etc...many people note the DCX vans are quieter and ride smoother too. So "worst" in one's opinion, is better in someone else's.

    I drove many Odys before buying the DCX, and what I remember most after driving them back to back was "I can't see a significant difference except price".
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    "Odyssey: State-of-the- minivan-art"

    "Odyssey: Start-of-major-problems" is more appropriate
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Engine power is said to be comparable at 240+hp but with a bigger (by 300 cc) displacement than Ody's. Sounds like "under-innovation"

    I bet the Sedonna doesn't have to be reved out to see that HP? and probably meets its EPA estimates better. Sorry Honda mislead you 2005 owners with its bogus HP ratings...testing engines with little or no accessories, or oil to give higher HP ratings. Same test engineer must have come up with the EPA numbers too, probably done under 40 mph while coasting down a hill in neutral.

    Of course if you are not inclined, then less athletic performance would suffice in a wannabe.

    99% of minivan owners wouldn't drive like an idiot on curvy off ramps. If you wanna do that, buy a real car instead of trying to convince yourself that a Minivan is similar to a sports car! If you're going thru a midlife crisis, go buy real car.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    I am still waiting for you in the curvy off-ramp with your Sedona. It would be very delightful for me to embarrass you there as I have done to so many other minivans.

    In the minivan class, the Ody rules in performance. By the way, some of my other family cars include a CTS-V, and a Maxima. My son just purchased a BMW 550i and also drives his in-law's M-B SL500, all new models. These are perfomance leaders in their own car class. You have to intelligently compare apples to apples, not car to minvan. In the minivan world, the Ody rules - many sources would support that, not just the average owner here.

    Just gimme your vehicle license plate so that I would know when we are both exiting the ramp together. It would be a delight to have see/have you smell hot air from my (Ody) behind. LOL!
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    The 2006 Explorer has independent suspension on all four wheels if my rapidly aging brain is correct.

    The DCX people can come on here and whistle 'til the cows come home but it is not going to change the fact that the Odyssey is the best, safest, most up to date technology minivan on the American market. The high tech VCM engine has the best gas mileage. It is also at the top in reliability. I know there is a certain non-profit consumer magazine the DCX folks like to slam but check out the frequency of repair numbers for both Odyssey and DCX. The DCX has dropped way down in quality (was it ever there?) while the Odyssey maintains its high quality.

    Just because a van has an MSRP of $34,000 and a selling price of $23,000 does it become a $34,000 van. It is a $23,000 (soon to be $14,000 after a year's depreciation) rental fleet van. My EX-L cost $28,800 and will still be worth $24,000 next year, a little less the year after.

    The facts are my friends that American consumers are leaving GM, Ford and Chrysler behind in droves and buying Honda, Toyota, Hyundai and Kia because that is where the quality and reliability is. If Kia can get it why can't DCX or GM?
  • Go to the post your gas mileage forum. The Ody gas mileage is dismal. Go to the Ody problems board. How may posts are there? The 2008 T&C and Grand Caravan will blow the Ody away.
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