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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans



  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    Ahhhhh Trekie!!!! :) Really I was comparing the Odyssey to jipsters MPV which he said logically was the best van.
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    Thank you rorr I can now believe that someone reads a post before flying off the handle, you must own a Honda because you are not so uptight and defensive. ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    According to Autoweek, DCX's fleet sales in the third quarter of 2005 was just over 17%, or slightly more than 1/6th of total sales. Hope this helps...

    Thanks but this really doesn't help.....That 17% could have been leftover Neons.

    The DCX fleet sales of minivans.

    My apologies for not making that perfectly clear. I mentioned GM's and Ford's vans later on, I assumed that would be enough to clarify that I was referring to Dodge's minis.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    No, you never mentioned 300 FSE's. What does that prove? I have had 6 company cars, from Ford GM and DCX. I am NOT thin skinned, nor a little girl, but will continue to challenge any Odyssey poster who posts Incorrect or partial information which downs the DCX products. And there seem to be 3 or 4 posters in particular who regularly post incorrect or partial information.

    You continue to post partial information. So regulate yourself. I don't care if you down the Honda product I've seen lots of things on here and they make me laugh! I do have fleet data from forbes for Dodge caravan in 2002 fleet=60,493 and overall sales = 244,911 so about 25% are fleet for that YEAR. As usual you have NOTHING but opinion!!
  • Please refer to the post that shows "partial information" By me. I Just returned from the Auto Show and was LOL at the Odyssey sticker which showed origin of content, it added up to 90%. Could the Odyssey be missing 10%? or they don't know wnere the heck 10% came from?
  • i drove both vehicles and chose to buy chrysler T&C limited. It wasn't just test drive, I drove both for more than 3000miles. Chrysler is still the best !!!!
    More systems for less money
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    If you're going to post numbers or quote sources, can you provide exact link? It's not that I don't trust you guys....but I couldn't find it myself. Thanks
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "My analysis was vs. the Mazda MPV"

    It was??? Your "facts" were so far off...I didn't know who's minivan you were speaking of. The Mazda MPV has more front headroom than Ody. It DOES have a moonroof as an available option. You can "buy" a MPV for around $4,000-$6,000 less than compariable equipped Ody. It doesn't have climate control...but we didn't want climate control. We have it on our Buick Regal...I think it(climate control) bites...prefer manual controls much better.

    The MPV is a big vehilce,though not a big minivan, which was what we wanted. The perfect size, space, features, safety, quality, reliability for our family. NOW...THAT is why it is the BEST minivan...for me. That, my Clingon pure logic. ;)
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    I guess when Honda's headroom is more in the middle and rear seats I was generalizing that statement, but I stated that the price was $450.00 less on the STICKER without the OPTIONAL moonroof and unavailable Climate Control. Now how can it be $4000 to $5000 less than a Odyssey, unless you keep Honda at Sticker and Discount the Mazda to nothing. Of course that's what Mazda has to do to get rid of them. By the way what other facts was I so far off on? I quoted about 6 or 7 items and all you came up with was headroom(front only). I'm glad you got what you wanted but obviously we disagree. :D
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    To avoid confusion:

    The preceeding post was comparing the Ody to the MAZDA MPV, not any DCX vans.

    Thank you. :P
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    OOPS! Thanks for saving me again rorr, I will be more careful next time. ;)
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    The reason I mentioned fleet sales originally (and incorrectly as I was off by 8%) was to show that the huge sales numbers of DCX vans are not just to individuals. I have no fleet numbers or any evidence to prove or disprove sales of Odysseys. Most of the minivans I see in the area I live are DCX. Drive a few miles to the more affluent area and it is Odysseys and Siennas.

    If I had known there would this much whining and carrying on I would never have made that original post.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "but I stated that the price was $450.00 less on the STICKER without the OPTIONAL moonroof and unavilable Climate Control" may have stated that, but that's not what you wrote. You wrote, "it sells for $450 less than Ody and doesn't have climate control or moonroof".

    It doesn't "sell" for $450 less than comparable "sells" for around 4k-6k less. You didn't write anything on original post about STICKER or OPTIONAL equipment. But, it really doesn't matter. You got the van you wanted and I got the van I wanted.

    Most people want a bigger minivan with a lot of the fancy features that Mazda minis don't they ARE heavily discounted. The 2007 Mazda MPV, which at this time won't be availabe in the U.S, sounds pretty good. It's bigger, has a 2.4 lt. 4 cyl turbocharged engine rated around 250hp... that comes with a 5(maybe 6?) speed manual transmission available. Has dual reclining second row seats and is updated with more of the features/options people generally want in a minivan.

    But, this is a Ody vs DCX topic discussion...apologies fellow members. ;)

    Sometimes I feel like the Maytag repairman...sitting over at the MPV board... waiting for a post. :cry:
  • Claire@EdmundsClaire@Edmunds Chicago areaPosts: 968
    You may notice that a number of posts in this discussion are no longer here -- unfortunately, they were off-topic, disrespectful, etc.

    A rule of thumb to follow when posting here: If your post has more references to you or another person than to a minivan, it will probably wind up on the sacriicial heap with the rest of the posts that were removed tonight.


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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Good News...

    A friend of mine, who works for Polk Automotive here in Detroit can provide us with exact fleet sales number for all Minivans. Hopefully he'll have data and link later today for me!
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "...with exact fleet sales number for all Minivans."


    Now, tell me again (because my eyes have glazed over and I lost my train of thought): just exactly WHAT is everyone trying to prove with the fleet sales numbers??? How do these numbers have ANY relevance whatsoever? :confuse:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I think this is how it goes (to those concerned, if incorrect, call me on it please).

    Some Honda guys feel that fleet sales hurt the overall value of the Caravan twins by flooding the market with low-cost Dodge vans, making their resale value markedly lower. Some Dodge guys feel that fleet sales are a sign that their vehicles are more desirable than others not chosen for the fleets, usually when based on the value equation.

    Is this right, dennis?

    (PS. You'll notice I didn't bother commenting on the subject, as its not my issue here.)
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Okay - I think I see.

    It's an issue of how fleet sales affect resale values (for the pro-Honda folks), vs. fleet sales are indicative of value or 'bang for the buck' which corporate sales/rental agencies are after (for the pro-DCX folks).

    First off, you don't need to know % of fleet sales to argue resale values. Just look at any number of sources to compare resale value vs. purchase cost. Generally speaking, the Hondas hold a higher % of their initial value. This is either important or not important to the individual making a purchase decision. Personally, it wasn't that important to my wife and I since we typically hold onto our vehicles for 6-8 years and put a lot of miles on our vehicle. Resale didn't enter the picture for us.

    Second - I wouldn't look at fleet sales as indicative of value. Since I have no idea what criteria corporations/rental agencies use to select vehicles, why would I assume that THEIR criteria is the same as mine? I couldn't care less if they think they are getting more 'value' by selecting Brand 'X'. I'LL DECIDE what has 'value' to me and select accordingly.

    We might as well be arguing about the color selections available for the DCX and Honda vans.....
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    From an auto enthusiast point of view, it would be interesting to know just what the fleet numbers are. I do know that you see a bunch of Siennas in use as NYC taxis. I used to see Odysseys in the same use but don't know if that is still the case.

    The more important thing for a shopper to know is what van provides the best value. Comfort is almost a personal opinion. Handling may not be important to everyone, same with performance. For those of us "regulars" here all the above are very important to the point of passion. No one is any more or less intelligent because they bought a specific brand or model.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    Actually, I think the fleet sales argument is really about how many private buyers are actually springing for the DC vans. The DC corner touts their high sales numbers as an indication of a more desirable vehicle. The HOA camp says a large % of those sales numbers are from fleets, so the "desirability" factor is skewed.

    But yes, fleeting does effect resale value as well as rebates/incentives/etc. Ford has been trying to reduce fleet sales to maintain residuals, as well as fix the MSRP to close to reality. GM and Dodge have been trying to fix the MSRP gap as well when the introduce new vehicles.
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