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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • Please post the source of your information on fatalities. A search of NHSTA site only released info for ALL 2004 minivans (not by brand) and showed out of 2,561 crashes of ALL minivans showed a fatality rate of 4.4% for ALL minivans.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Please post the source of your information on fatalities. A search of NHSTA site only released info for ALL 2004 minivans (not by brand) and showed out of 2,561 crashes of ALL minivans showed a fatality rate of 4.4% for ALL minivans.

    What information are you talking about and where did this come from?? :confuse:
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    How about lower cost for the DCX? Some people proclaim ESC was a major factor in paying a premium for their minivan. I don't care if someone uses the extra convenience of Stow N go or not, but the DCX vans are cheaper (by how much is quite another topic).
  • Your post 6572. my post source nhtsa.dot.gov
  • "How about lower cost for the DCX?"

    I'm sure upfront pricing is the most important factor for many buyers. For others it might be ease of carrying cargo, while some put the premium on safety. Some buy one model over another for a particular shade of a certain color paint. It's all good.
  • Make sure the units are the same, i.e. per crash, per million vehicle miles traveled, etc.

    The NHTSA's fatal crash database can be found here:

    http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/

    The CDC also has a lot of fatality information, including:

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4818a1.htm
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    ESC might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but so far the evidence that past vehicle safety features are responsible for lives saved is more blind faith than empirical. The contention that fatalities have been reduced because of mandatory or optional safety equipment is statistically insupportable. The US traffic death rate had and has been in decline well before mandatory safety equipment was required on motor vehicles.

    Why do you think the installation of Event Data Recorders has been received with either luke-warm or negative response? You'd think having pre-crash data available for analysis would be glowingly embraced.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    ESC might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but so far the evidence that past vehicle safety features are responsible for lives saved is more blind faith than empirical. The contention that fatalities have been reduced because of mandatory or optional safety equipment is statistically insupportable. The US traffic death rate had and has been in decline well before mandatory safety equipment was required on motor vehicles.
    Why do you think the installation of Event Data Recorders has been received with either luke-warm or negative response? You'd think having pre-crash data available for analysis would be glowingly embraced.


    Yep you can have a study that shows lots of stuff. I would think that you don't like any data that isn't part of your conventionial wisdom. From the mid 50's to the mid 60's death rates per MMT were very steady. The real start of making vehicles more safe by engineering controls started then. Before that their was very little interest in safety equipment or safer vehicle design. I guess we should have our guys at NASCAR throw out thier helmets, safety restriants, and get rid of that dang safety cage and those silly flame resistant suits. Because it just dosen't seem to work. :blush: Duskyk I'll take blind faith over no faith in anything every time. The data is pretty compelling but hey you can try and go forward or you can just do nothing. As a rumor(which I think is probably untrue) says they wanted to close the patent office because everything that needs to be has already been invented! Technology and invention is truely wahat makes the United States great!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    ALL 2004 minivans (not by brand) and showed out of 2,561 crashes of ALL minivans showed a fatality rate of 4.4% for ALL minivans.

    No it dosen't it shows that 4.4% of fatalities happen in minivans as compared to other body types. Also the 2,561 crashes are not total crashes but fatality crashes. The total number of car crashes was over 10 million. One can estimate that minivan crashes were probably about 400K-500K. It is only speculation since it is in the light truck group!!

    I think this is what you want!! Look at the leader of the group 1999-2002 honda Odyssey, the bottom of the pack Dodge Caravan!!

    link title
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    We found some ramps on the Internet and ordered them. My next picture will show how to get a wheel chair in my van. You can't get anymore family friendly than that. This van is going to do things I never dreamed of doing when I bought it and I had some pretty good ideas of how I was going to use it then.

    I didn't get the bassinet over to my daughter's house none to soon. She had a baby girl yesterday.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "I think this is what you want!! Look at the leader of the group 1999-2002 honda Odyssey, the bottom of the pack Dodge Caravan!!"

    Nice try socalawd BUT....

    The vans listed (1999-2002 Ody and '01-'02 DGC) have been redesigned since then. It may take a little while for similar data to be collected pertaining to the current generation of Ody/DGC.

    Of course, by then, both Honda and DCX will probably have released the next generation....
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    Congratulations, Grandpa!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    The vans listed (1999-2002 Ody and '01-'02 DGC) have been redesigned since then. It may take a little while for similar data to be collected pertaining to the current generation of Ody/DGC.

    This is a forum about DCX vs Honda Ody's this is relivent information. Also the Caravan SWB is not redesigned it is the same van as listed and it had the HIGHEST fatality rate.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Also the Caravan SWB is not redesigned..."

    I had assumed the Carvan SWB was redesigned with the rest of the lineup in '05 ('04?). If it is still the same, it makes me wonder just how much of a 'redesign' the DGC received. I know it received the new sto'n'go and some revised exterior sheetmetal/interior appointments. But now I wonder if it received anything which would have helped it's fatality rate?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I didn't get the bassinet over to my daughter's house none to soon. She had a baby girl yesterday.

    What are you doing in this forum? Go hold that baby!

    Congrats, paw paw!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    I didn't get the bassinet over to my daughter's house none to soon. She had a baby girl yesterday.

    Congrats! Hope mother and baby are doing well!! The only problem with babies is they grow up too fast.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    what? just the bassinet? what about the crib, rocking chair for the mom, boxes of diapers, baby swings.... Stow n fill the whole van for crying out loud!

    Congrats!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    But now I wonder if it received anything which would have helped it's fatality rate?

    It did get the kneeblockers and for later 2005 models after the redesign a modification was made that improved crashtest ratings
  • "ESC might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but so far the evidence that past vehicle safety features are responsible for lives saved is more blind faith than empirical. The contention that fatalities have been reduced because of mandatory or optional safety equipment is statistically insupportable."

    Every time I've seen a paper on the topic at a conference, the data has always been pretty compelling that seatbelt use has a very strong correlation to motor vehicle crash fatalities. Yeah, they could all be wrong I suppose. Plus, there are always going to be those who don't believe it and refuse to wear seatbelts. Some people don't believe the Earth is round, either, but least they don't fall off if they go too far. Well, I guess I can't prove they don't, so who knows?

    Things like airbags and other safety features have much weaker correlations. That doesn't mean they aren't saving many lives, but it does give detractors a lot more room to spread propaganda. On the plus side, as far as I know, few if any states have laws preventing people from disabling airbags or stability control systems. So, even skeptics who don't want to drive something from the 1980s still have some choices. I guess we could always leave it to natural selection. This is a fine example:

    http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/09/17/414a5a030e91d?in_ar- chive=1

    http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/01/04/local/doc41db350078259784029686.t- xt

    Yup. Who needs things like seatbelts, stability control or rollover side curtain airbags.

    "The US traffic death rate had and has been in decline well before mandatory safety equipment was required on motor vehicles."

    If true, this assumes there were no other factors involved and that there was no widespread voluntary safety equipment of the same type. It is possible to isolate other variables. I'm sure one could google for such information, but again, no one can force anyone to believe it anyway.

    "Why do you think the installation of Event Data Recorders has been received with either luke-warm or negative response? You'd think having pre-crash data available for analysis would be glowingly embraced."

    For the same reason people hate recorders of any type- fear of Big Brother. I remember the uproar some groups had about "Vchip" in television sets being some method of governmental monitoring- I can't imagine what they spread about vehicle data recorders.

    "Yes, Officer, what seems to be the problem here?"

    "One moment, Sir, while I plug into your vehicle data recorder."
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