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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "But there are many families out there that really use their vans. They go camping, haul tents and all kinds of camping gear and etc."

    Yep. And when we go camping, we typically have people along for the ride in addition to tents, ice chests, packs, etc. And (like most folks) the people ride in the first two rows and the gear goes in the back. Do you put the tents and all kinds of camping gear in the middle row and the grandkids in the back?

    "If a minivan can do anything a family wants it to do and can do it at the drop of a hat, it's family friendly."

    Yes. IF a minivan can do.....

    IF

    Some families may want other things: ability to slide seats together. Roll down 2nd row windows. Provide an additional measure of safety on slick roads. Can the DGC do these things, at the drop of a hat or otherwise?

    My point is that you are basing your entire argument on the ability to haul stuff in the 2nd row area without having to plan for it. That's it. And on this, you are proclaiming one vehicle to the most 'familiy friendly' (not just for marine2, but the most 'family friendly' PERIOD).

    Why the need to proclaim one or the other 'better' for everyone? Why not just point out differences and let other folks decide which features are more important for THEM?
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    An 8 year, 120,000 mile Honda Care for an Odyssey with 6,000 miles or less would be about $1500, but covers a lot, and it's more than just power train:

    My seven year extended warranty cost me $1,350.00 and covers the same thing the Honda extended warranty covers, along with roadside service. Roadside service with AAA would cost almost $1,000.00 alone for seven years and it does give me peace of mind, not only for me, but when my wife would drive it. I wouldn't feel to good knowing she has a flat tire sitting out on the freeway or side road with no one there to help her.

    If you replace the air compressor on one of these vans, it's going to cost you over a $1,000.00 alone. I have seen many a Honda, Dodge and other cars and vans out here in Arizona with no air. Especially the ones that are over five years old. You can use a/c here eight months of the year. It's not uncommon to see them go out in 3,4 or 5 years. To have them covered for 7 or 8 years is pretty smart if you ask me. Especially when it only cost you a couple of hundred more than what you would pay for just AAA roadside service.

    Then consider all the electrical things you have on your van. Electric windows, locks, seat, GPS, radio, etc. One of the black marks on both Honda and Dodge was power equipment. Is it worth the chance for a couple of hundred dollars more for eight years of protection? Not for my wife or I.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Believe it or not, you can't always get everything you want in the back by dropping just the back seat. I never said the Dodge stow and go is "better for everyone." I am sure you can't find anyplace I said that. I have said it is the most Family Friendly minivan. That doesn't mean it's that way for everyone. You can say the Honda is the most desirable minivan on the market, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone does it?
  • travlertravler Posts: 138
    I'm in agreement here. if I lived in an Arizona climate I may give it a second consideration. Also, does your 7-year extended warranty go for 120,000 miles?
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I'm in agreement here. if I lived in an Arizona climate I may give it a second consideration. Also, does your 7-year extended warranty go for 120,000 miles?

    Not all all traveler. It only covers 7/70,000. Yours is much longer for just a little more. I would do it if in your place. To many things to go wrong on these new vans. There is power on everything.
  • masterpaul1masterpaul1 Posts: 421
    If we can believe what car magazines tell us, what's the best pick for us and don't complain about that when our vechicle is their BEST PICK, why then do we come to these forums and try to down play someone else opinion about their vechicle?

    We own a 01 DGC EX and it was by far the best choice for my family and is very family friendly. When I look at the market today with all the seat configurations, I still like ours the best. (The one thing that I don't like is the lifting the seats out). Each minivan that has been mentioned here, have there pro's and con's. Here are some things that are van seats can do that I don't believe others can. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure you will).

    PRO'S

    1) All seats have the thinker padding, since none folds down into the floor.

    2) We can either move or add a second power center counsel between the second row captain chairs.

    3) Our seat back in the second and third row fold down and tumble forward while still being secured to the floor.

    4) When the seats are taken out, we have wheels so all you have to do is lift the chairs in or out of the van.

    5) We have a cargo organizer for groceries and stuff behind the third row. It can be lowered to sit on the ground or raised even with the seat backs when folded down creating a flat surface when caring plywood or plasterboard. Also, it is used as a security cover so people can't see what's on the floor.

    6) We can move the third row 50/50 bench to the second row, to create a five passenger minivan and have all that space behind the seats for stuff.

    7) Our second row seats tilt forward to allow access to the third row.

    8) You have space under each seat to place your feet for more room.

    9) All of our seats can be reclined.

    10) Since all of our seats weigh about 200 lbs total, when all seats removed, thats 200 lbs more we can add on to the Gross Vechicle Weight that we can carry in the rear.

    CON'S

    1) We only have the lap belt in the middle seat on the third row and no head rest either. (No problem for us since we only have a family of six. And when we do carry seven people, its around town only. Unless they are in a car seat).

    2) Some or all seats have to be removed from minivan when caring large items and might have to plan ahead. (We've only removed our seats maybe four or five times)

    3) No fold into the floor third or second row seats.

    4) Neither second or third row seats move fore/after or slide together. (All rows have plenty of leg room) :shades:
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "I have said it is the most Family Friendly minivan. That doesn't mean it's that way for everyone."

    Let me get this straight: you get to invent the criteria for which one defines "family friendly". And then, by your criteria, you can then define which is the MOST 'family friendly'.

    Convenient.

    We all have different criteria. For our family, the Ody is more family friendly. But that doesn't mean that I have a leg to stand on and declare the Ody to be the most Family Friendly minivan.

    "You can say the Honda is the most desirable minivan on the market, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone does it?"

    Two things: first, I wouldn't say the Honda is the most desirable minivan. It wasn't even the most desirable for our family. We actually preferred the Sienna XLE (barely) but a van equipped similar to our EX-L would have been over $32k. While we desired the Sienna, we didn't feel it was worth the additional cost.

    Second, I wouldn't make that kind of a statement. PRECISELY for the reasons I'm arguing against your 'most family friendly' comment.

    How do you measure 'family friendly'? How do you measure 'desirable'? If you can't measure these, or even agree on what constitutes 'family friendly' or 'desireable', how do you determine which is the most?
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "If we can believe what car magazines tell us, what's the best pick for us and don't complain about that when our vechicle is their BEST PICK, why then do we come to these forums and try to down play someone else opinion about their vechicle?"

    First, I don't believe everything the car magazines tell us.

    Second, they usually based their decisions on a wide range of criteria (performance, utility, safety, reliablity, etc.) rather than honing in on one particular feature. They also usually don't make a lot of assumptions about the owners of one particular model compared to the owners of the competing vehicles (ie. owners of Odysseys are less likely to haul stuff because the interiors are too nice; suitable only for people hauling and showing off to friends/neighbors).

    Third, it's difficult to get into a lot of back and forth debate with the writers of these articles.

    And finally, the writers of these articles are not as emotionally attached to the vehicles which they are testing. Presumably, they are able to make a more objective assessment of these vehicles.
  • fred222fred222 Posts: 200
    I have been following this forum on and off since last September. That was when I purchased a 2006 Odyssey EX-L. I also own a 1999 Dodge Intrepid ES and a 2005 Chrysler Pacifica Touring.
    In my opinion the Odyssey was a better vehicle than the similar DC offerings. The real question in this forum is how much more the Honda is worth than the DC vans. When you look at the Chrysler minivans (not Dodge) the actual price difference between the Honda and DC vehicles becomes closer. I probably would have purchased a Chrysler minivan if it had the 3.5L engine as in the Pacifica and the 7 year 70,000 mile warranty that our Pacifica came with. As a previous owner of a 1992 Grand Caravan, I had to remove all of the seats (middle and rear) to carry large cargo and did it as needed. I do like that the 3rd row seats fold down now, but do not see the big deal about the middle row of seats. When you get past that feature, the Odyssey is the better vehicle.
    As for mileage, I get around 18-20 mpg in town and on the only highway trip got 27.1 mpg over 800 miles. The Odyssey is a rocket which would probably beat both the Intrepid and Pacifica in a race and if you drive it hard (which is really fun) your mileage will suffer. Remember that all Odysseys get the 3.5L engine, while most DC vans get the 3.3L engine which completely pales in comparison.
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  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    How do you measure 'family friendly'? How do you measure 'desirable'? If you can't measure these, or even agree on what constitutes 'family friendly' or 'desireable', how do you determine which is the most?

    I believe the main reason they built the minivan is to be able to carry more people than you can get in a four or five passenger car and to be able to carry stuff you can't get into a car.

    I think that being able to pack anything into a minivan that it can hold, without having to plan ahead or taking the seats out, makes that van very family friendly. More so than holding eight people. As most families don't have eight in the family. Most wouldn't have eight even if you carried the in-laws. Even if you had more people, it is easier to get a car to go along to carry the over flow than it is to find a truck to take the overflow of stuff you want to carry.

    What makes the Honda the choice of all these writers? It's less than a second faster in the quarter mile? It stops three feet shorter? The engine is quieter? It's got a five speed transmission and the Dodge has a four speed? It has roll down rear windows and accident avoidance? It has a nicer interior? They are all desirable things to have, but does it make the van more family friendly? It might make it a bit safer and desirable, but I wouldn't say it makes it family friendly. There are many vehicles out there with the same features and they are far from family friendly. Being able to do with your van, most anything you want to do with it, anytime you want, makes it family friendly to me. That is what you can do with the Chrysler vans you can't do with any other.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    My contention is not that the Chrysler vans are better than the Honda vans. I don't think they are. Only that they are more family friendly than the Honda vans are.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    So, you insist on declaring the DGC the most family friendly minivan?

    Okay. Here we go:

    The Ody has seating positions/options unavailable for the DCX vans, regardless of how you plan ahead. Meaning that should our kids have friends who may need rides we are better able to cope with unexpected passengers. This is more family friendly.

    The Ody has standard stability control and side/curtain airbags with rollover sensors for the safety of the family. I think that an enhanced ability to avoid accidents and survive unavoidable accidents makes the Ody more family friendly.

    The Ody has roll-down windows in the second row and built-in roll-up sun screens for the benefit/comfort of passengers. This makes the Ody more family friendly.

    The ability of the Ody to slide seats together not only increases the seating options but also options for carrying cargo with passengers. I can have two in the second row while still having room to load objects in the side of the van. I'll bet I can even place the infamous air compressor in the side door AND keep 2 seats in the mid row. This makes the Ody more family friendly.

    Now, if you throw in the better performance, nicer interior (enabling one to show off to the neighbors which is obviously a high criteria for Ody owners), more relaxed cruising with a 5sp automatic, etc. etc. etc. then it should be OBVIOUS to all concerned that the Odyssey is, hands down and without a doubt, the MOST family friendly minivan.

    I'll give you this - it's easier to convert to cargo hauling with a Dodge. That makes it the most cargo friendly minivan available.
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    Now, we can continue this infantile argument about which is the MOST family friendly, or we can just agree that both vehicles serve families well and just leave it at that.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Well I was answering most of what you had down there and then I came to your last sentence and thought why not. We could keep this up for days and days and never come to an agreement. So on this I will agree with you. Both do serve the families well, depending on how you use them.

    Your a good person to discuss things with rorr, I enjoyed it. Kept me busy from a few more discussions I have going on the History Channel and from doing a lot of house work, but it was worth it. Looking forward to another, although I hope it's not so long.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "We could keep this up for days and days and never come to an agreement. So on this I will agree with you. Both do serve the families well, depending on how you use them."

    HEY!!!! We agree! :surprise:

    I hope I didn't get you TOO riled up and it has been entertaining on this end (although I'm sure that more than a few lurkers would agree completely with my 'infantile argument' comment :blush: ).
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    No, you didn't get me too riled up. I think we agreed a long time ago if you look back at what I said in one of my previous posts.


    "I think when it comes time to buy a minivan, a person really does need to ask himself what will I use it for before deciding to buy it. I made the right choice for me, it might not be the right choice for you."


    But it was fun for awhile. Just toooo long.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    To marine2 and rorr...

    ((((APPLAUSE))))

    The winner of the great van debate of 2006 is???

    The readers.

    Now, on with more talk.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    You guys have already kept this up for days and days, or is it months and months? Why stop now? :D

    Both ODY and DGC minivans have good features the other one does not have. Never will all of us agree as we all have different needs/wants.

    Having owned two (yes only two) short wheel base Dodge minivans continuously in the last 21 years-still got the 1996 Caravan and it is clicking along just fine--stow and go certainly beats removing those heavy and awkward second row captain's seats, which I can do but are too heavy for my wife. We have had and do need to do remove these seats maybe 3-4 times a year, more often when our children were small and when I was doing a lot of do it myself home improvement projects.

    Certainly the third row stowable seat is a great feature, more necessary than the second row, but if you can have stowable second row and don't have to pay an arm and leg for it, why not?

    Our "underpowered" 3.3 V-6 which hails from an era when even this engine had lower power ratings than it does now, has very adequate power and actually has enough low end torque it is hard to tell the difference in acceleration when it is loaded with a bunch of heavy paving bricks or empty. You want slow, then you should have driven a first generation Caravan when you had two choices of 4 cylider engines, slow and slower! We drove that one for twelve years and somehow did OK.

    Who actually does anything near full throttle acceleration ever when you are driving a minivan?

    I can never remember needing 8 passenger seating, but some people might. Then buy the ODY or Sienna or strap that 8th passenger to the roof racks on your DGC minivan!

    Bottom line is buy what you want or think you need or can afford and be done with it. Both are good useful, fairly fuel efficient vehicles that are family and cargo friendly.
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "I can never remember needing 8 passenger seating, but some people might. Then buy the ODY or Sienna or strap that 8th passenger to the roof racks on your DGC minivan!"

    True- it worked for Aunt Edna on the family truckster. Granted, I think she was dead already so comfort and safety weren't a big issue.

    I see many people using 9-passenger Suburbans 95% of the time in a one-person commute. On the flip side, some owners of coupes can never remember needing to seat a 5th passenger.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I see many people using 9-passenger Suburbans 95% of the time in a one-person commute. On the flip side, some owners of coupes can never remember needing to seat a 5th passenger.

    I think that's because the average family size now is only 2.6. Not much use for seven, much less eight.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Moms/story?id=1445039
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