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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    Good one.
    I have always wondered why these topics "vehicle A vs. vehicle B" frequently degenerate to my vehicle is better, because your vehicle sucks types of arguments.
  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    The last time I checked, this thread was titled "Honda Odyssey vs. DC minivans". What do you expect. If you want to hear only the praises of your vehicle, go to a vehicle specific thread.

    Maybe we should all just say, "the Honda and DC vans are both very nice vehicles", and then we can end this discussion - close it down, no need to discuss anything else cuz they are both great. Flip a coin.

    Most of the banter here is good natured ribbing. Sure there is some testosterone sprinkled in from time to time, but I don't think anyone takes it to heart. As for comparisons of the vans, I'm all for it. Lets just make sure were comparing vehicles and offering opinions based on our experiences, not based on what we've read in other chat rooms or publications. As I've said before, I've driven most every 2002 minivan out there (save for VW). My comments are based on my experiences not on my perceptions and prejudices.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,114
    May not be a bad idea at all since it seems that some participants here don't care about the vans so much as trying to get each other's goats.

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  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    "seems that some participants here don't care about the vans so much as trying to get each other's goats" - Steve

    Guilty as charged ;-)
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    May not be a bad idea at all since it seems that some participants here don't care about the vans so much as trying to get each other's goats.

    Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure with a name like this it is going to be controversial. Thats like inviting a hundred people to the swimming pool on a hundred degree day and tell them they can't get in the water.
    EITHER DO AWAY WITH THE SUBJECT OR LEAVE US ALONE AS LONE AS IT DON'T GET DIRTY.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,114
    Members are invited to compare all they want; just criticize ideas, not people.

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  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    That is a bad idea Steve! LOL. I just hope you don't leave us to go to "college" like that other Steve on 'Blues Clues'. You don't have a brother named Joe do you?
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,114
    Dang, I've been "outted."

    (Not having a TV or little kids, it took me a few minutes to google what the heck you were talking about ).

    Tickety says it's time to get back to the Honda and DC minivans.

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  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Has anyone had any luck getting Chrysler to cover repairs once the vehicle is out of warranty. I have a 96 Grand Caravan that had the trany replaced in Aug 99, now I just had the drive shaft seize into the differential, and they found filings in the trany, so another $3000 plus $500 tax ($3500) to repair. I've had all my servicing done at the dealer including transmission tune-ups, plus replacing A/C evaporator, struts, water pump, starter, power steering lines, sliding door control assembly, ABS light sensors, engine service sensors. Alot of problems for a 96 with only 115,000km (70K miles). I have complained to Chrysler's customer service 800 number, and am awaiting a response. They supposedly need to speak with the District Service Manager. The dealer isn't saying diddly. What leverage do I have to raise a bigger stink? I can threaten to never buy a Chrysler vehicle again, but do they care?

    All of that work done on a van with 70K on it, and some DC owners want me to believe that DC vans are superior to the Odyssey. I'll admit there WAS some trans problems with the Odyssey but no one has ever posted a list like that about a Odyssey. I'll still consider a DC van if we were to purchase another van in a few years, but not if I start seeing posts like this on the current ones. I'm sure there are a lot of Odysseys with that many miles without those kinds of troubles. Either he drives his vans into the ground or there is still problems in River City.
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    "Alot of problems for a 96 with only 115,000km (70K miles)."

    Actually that seems about right for a 1996 Chrysler minivan. The first production year for the last generation of Chrysler vans was terrible. I have a friend who went through two transmissions on his 1996 Grand Caravan ES before the thing finally started acting right. Another friend had his original equipment battery explode in the garage while attempting to turn on his 1996 Grand Caravan LE. The friend with the ES no longer drives a minivan but the friend with the LE with over 150k miles on it still uses their van to go to the snow during winter. Bottom line, it was the first production year of a car that already had questionable reliability. What would you expect?

    dmathews, I can't believe you would actually use a story of an owner of a 1996 model DC van as solid proof to challenge DCs current reliability. We all know Chrysler quality back then wasn't what it is now. They have improved. Just like hersbird (I think) said, there are Odyssey owners here who use problems on 5-15 year old Chrysler vans as reasons to bash current reliability and quality. That just doesn't make sense and it isn't fair. Maybe ill go back to 1997 and dig up some dirt on the unpopular Odyssey of the day and then use it as a reason not to buy a new 2002 model. Does that make sense?

    -Adam
  • steelengsteeleng Posts: 71
    I too was dismayed at the number of problems that this owner had but I too feel it would be wrong to compare this vehicle to even a '99 Odyssey let alone anything newer. I haven't heard of anything nearly this severe on a '99 or newer DC van.

    On the other hand my '92 Toyota Tercel needed many of those same repairs by 70k miles. I replaced starter (actually only replaced contacts in solenoid because I am a cheap home repair guy but most people would have replaced starter), timing belt, water pump, struts, muffler, and oxygen sensor. My Toyota doesn't have the other items that he replaced (automatic transmission, sliding door, power steering, or A/C) so I can't say how those have held up. Does this mean my Tercel is a piece of crap? Hardly. Things just have to be maintained over the years. The water pump did not go bad, I just replaced it when I was replacing the timing belt. The timing belt also was not bad but I replaced it as scheduled to avoid engine destruction if it failed (interference engine).

    It would be nice to compare apples to apples or maybe oranges at the worst. Lets try to leave bananas out of the picture.
  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    The 1997 Honda Odyssey wasn't necessarily a bad vehicle from the standpoint of quality and reliability - just unpopular. It was built on an Accord platform (hardly an unreliable vehicle)and as such, didn't have the room of some of it's competitors. It also lacked sliding rear doors (one of the main features of a minivan..duhhh).

    Adam, I'm glad you admit the earlier DC's were not put together too well. Time will tell with the new ones though. I think it's a little early to site huge advances in quality and reliability - we'll see, you may be right. As for the 1999 model year, all I know is I wouldn't want to take one in the chops with it.
  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    Steeling,
    Looks like your Toyota needed mostly routine maintenance items. Not quite the same as the guy who needed a new tranny (twice), AC and drive shaft seize. Probably not indicative of all DCs but not a car I would be proud to own. Talk about a banana comparison.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    dmathews, I can't believe you would actually use a story of an owner of a 1996 model DC van as solid proof to challenge DCs current reliability

    I didn't say that. I said I would again consider a DC van as long as their CURRENT vans didn't end up with the reliability of those previous ones.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Those kind of repairs were about the norm in the 60's and 70's even into the 80's on some American cars but most all cars foreign and domestic last longer now. I'm surprised the guy kept it as long as he has. Looks like that was a big mistake.
  • steelengsteeleng Posts: 71
    My point exactly. My Toyota has been a very good car (except for the lousy vinyl seats). The only odd problems would be the starter and maybe the oxygen sensor, both of which have lasted longer on my Chrysler. It just makes me chuckle when people sometimes lump their routine maintenance items in with breakdown items to shall we say overemphasize reliability issues. I'm not saying that is what he did but unless his struts went in less than 30k miles I would generally consider that a maintenance item.
  • miffed1miffed1 Posts: 3
    I'm the loser that kept the 96 GC ES too long. No we didn't drive it into the ground. Actually driven by my wife with 2 kids in it mostly. And we kept up regular maintenance (had 2 trany "tune-ups", regular engine tune-ups, replaced front brakes at 37k mi and 56k mi, plus reg. oil changes, etc) Other than having to take it to the dealer 5 times to fix the intermittent ABS light problem, most of the problems didn't start until 1999. That makes the car 3 years old. Soooo... can you tell me the 2000+ models won't have horrendous issues starting next year? By the way I didn't list all the problems, also had the rocker cover and oil pan gaskets replaced due to leaks, had electrical problems, a MOPAR OEM battery short. Yes it sounds like I got a lemon, but how do you know 2000+ models won't be as bad come a year or two from now?
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    "Yes it sounds like I got a lemon, but how do you know 2000+ models won't be as bad come a year or two from now?"

    I can tell you because I drive a 2000 Town & Country with over 43k miles and haven't had a single problem yet. Ok, well, I'll be honest. We did have to replace the breaks a little early at 36k miles but I think my driving is to blame. Good thing the new DC vans have bigger disc breaks on all four wheels!

    Also, we had a 1998 Grand Caravan SE that had 70k miles of trouble free driving. And we drove that car into the ground too. It was used multiple times each day by different drivers and had the mileage of a vehicle almost twice it's age when we turned it in. I'm sure whoever is driving it now is enjoying a good looking, safe, and reliable DC minivan.

    Yes, Chrysler reliability has improved significantly since your 1996 model Grand Caravan ES. Look at Consumer Reports and all the others if you don't believe me. But I would understand if you never wanted to get behind the wheel of another Chrysler vehicle. Ever.

    -Adam
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    I didn't mean to say you said something you didn't. I went on the defensive a little to hard. Just making sure people knew the new DC vans aren't like miffed1's troubled 1996 Grand Caravan ES. Sorry.

    -Adam
  • miffed1miffed1 Posts: 3
    I didn't think your comments were defensive. And its good to know Chrysler has atleast one very satisfied customer.
  • ody01ody01 Posts: 100
    Chrysler Caravan many repeat buyer. Caravan still sell most.
    Magic Seat, most space luggage, most power, almost best gas mileage reason got Odyssey. Chrysler and Odyssey both good minivan.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    My brother has a very loaded out (Canada model) 96 Grand Voyager LE with about 90,000 miles on it right now. He is currently using it towing a 3500 pound camping trailer, and a full load in the van of family stuff, for his week long vacation up and down the Oregon coast. His van's only problem in its 90,000 miles was one of the electric fans seized and he had to replace the whole assembly for $350. He had just last month went looking to replace the van and checked out all the competition. He was about ready to pull the trigger on a loaded Montana AWD with the entertainment package but decedided it was a complete dog power wise (just trying to pull itself around town let alone a trailer). The Honda was looking good but he decedied unless he was going to step up to the advantage of AWD he didn't need a new van. He'll just keep driving this one untill major problems develope and then see again what's out there. Currently only the DC AWD van fits the bill, but maybe somebody else will step up and make a big, powerful, AWD minivan besides Chrysler.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,114
    Now that I think of it, my brother has a DC minivan ('01 iirc, LOL). He just drove from TN to Maine pulling a popup camper and I don't remember him ever complaining about anything breaking down. I did a 14 hour round trip in it last year (i.e., 7 hours each way), and it was most comfy.

    Guess I better ask him how it's running :-)

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  • jmezzjmezz Posts: 36
    can anyone advise on lease price for 36 --39 month lease, zero cap cost, 15k per yr on ex model listing for roughly 28,000? dealer in nj wanted a crazy 565 per month
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Gee, I bet you could buy it for less a month than that and sell it at the end of 39 months and be way ahead.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    The problem DC has is the only thing the consume has to go on as far reliability and customer service is what the compnay did in the past. So if a van was unreliable in the 1996, it affect our decision today. Honda has a reputation for quality and reliability that has been earned over the pst 3 decades. You can't thro it out the window jsut because it's a new model year and the company says it's improved it;s quality. The proof is in the driving and it takes years to get rid of a bad reputaion. That is what DC is fightin right now with it's minivans. Yes they are still the best selling minivans but each year they are loosin g market share.

    Don't get me wrong. the DC vans are very nice but they have to improve their reliability. Look at the Windstar. Great van but horrible reputation.
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    Reputations change just like everything else. Some change for the worse and some for the better. This one is changing for the better. Who cares what other people supposedly think about past reliability and quality. If the new products are solid and run well, thats good enough for me. Our 1998 Grand Caravan had 70k trouble free miles when we traded it in on our new 2000 Town & Country which is even better, in every respect.

    As for sales, Dodge Caravan sales were up for the month of May.
  • ody01ody01 Posts: 100
    Think Honda reputation still better than Chrylser but Chrylser much better reputation last few years. Kia much better reputation. GM reputation also improved.
    Ford, Toyota (and even Honda) reputation worse in last few years. Ford 3.8L V6 head gasket problem and many Explorer problem. Toyota sludge problem 3.0L V6. Honda not many problem but 1999 Odyssey reputation not good as other Honda.
    No problem yet my 2001 Odyssey.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    My 1996 Dodge Caravan had 70,000 trouble free miles, too. Unfortunately, I kept it until it had 72,000 miles on it.
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