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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • I say that the best mini-van out right now is the Toyota Sieanna. I like Japanese cars so that is probably why I am comparing it to the the MPV,the Quest, and the Oddysey. The quest is just old and out of date (it still looks like the Mercury Villager), the MPV probably has the best performance but it just seems a little small inside compared to a lot of vans, the Oddysey is ok I guess, it just looks kind of ugly and I have heard some pretty bad stuff about it. The Sieanna isn't perfect, but it still is better than most mini vans out there. It's not too expensive, it has really nice looks, performance is pretty good for a van, and has plenty of features. It is my personal favorite.
  • steelengsteeleng Posts: 71
    I predict that the future of this forum will be something like this.

    "2022 Odyssey much fast very good. Better much bad 1989 DC van. Me good you bad. Me big Sequoia scare woman now all alone."

    The sad part is that although I think the Odyssey is a good van I would be hesitant to ever own one just because I wouldn't want to be associated with the ody owners on these boards. The original gloating on this board was bad enough but now it has literally broken down to a comparison of manhood and mocking others. It is kind of like playing king of the mountain. The winner gets to stand all alone and look down on everybody else. Some day the king might realize that he is all alone and playing with himself.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Question: Why did you trade your old DC minivan into the dealer, then have them resell to your daughter and son-in-law? You should have sold it direct to them. Then negotiate like crazy for your new minivan w/o trade. I'll bet you both could have come out better cost wise.

    Had you already done your deal before your daughter decided to buy your old van?

    It's usually better to keep the trade-in out of any new vehicle purchase until after you've got the dealer committed to the lowest price you can get without trade. That way you can figure out what the new van costs, and also what the dealer is willing to give you on the trade, rather than combining the two issues. By the way, Edmunds has a good tool for determining ballpark used vehicle prices, either as trades, private sales or purchased from a dealer.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,634
    Agreed, with a few exceptions the past week, it's been all too "kingly" in here. Maybe a week's rest will give people time to chill out.

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    OK, since it's been a week, and I have no manhood to compare, I'm cracking the door open on this one. But let's keep it to a comparison of the vans' merits. If it turns into another Celebrity Death Match - Testosteronefest 2002, that's the end of this topic.

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  • whambamwhambam Posts: 37
    Having exceedingly high standards of conduct my own sweet self, I will rat out any posters who get outta line.

    Now then. Odysseys are clearly superior to DC vans because

    ... Better resale
    ... Less confusing color selection
    ... I'll think of more stuff later ...
  • steelengsteeleng Posts: 71
    I actually saw a post on another forum where a Honda fan said that an Odyssey owner would never brag about whether his van could beat somebody else's vehicle from 0-60. Isn't that kind of what started this whole mess?

    BTW, I am rather enjoying our 2001 DGC. It is very smooth and handles quite well for a large vehicle. I would have preferred the 3.8 engine but it is hard to find used vans with that engine. The only other thing that I wish I had is a power drivers seat. My other car has one and I quite enjoy it and would like to have it on the van as well.

    whambam - Actually color selection is one of the things that I do not like about the Odyssey. Unlike most van buyers out there, white and silver just don't do it for me. Our DGC is Steel Blue and I really like that color.
  • whambamwhambam Posts: 37
    Was it not clear that my tongue was completely protruding out the other side of my cheek? The Ody's initial color offering was ridiculous - 2 darks, a beige, and a buncha shades of gray. The worst selection in all cardom.

    I wish you and some hosts would realize that not all owners are fiercely fanatic anal retentives defending to the death that they chose the right car. Most of us could care less. It's just a car.

    A little life and fun in these fora would go a long way towards making them palatable while exchanging info and points-of-view.

    To be forced to be dead-on-topic at all times is even more ridiculous than my precious Ody's initial color selection, which clearly sucked.

    Lighten up, everybody.
  • Why did we buy our 2nd Choice in March 1999?
    AVAILABILITY

    Why did we buy our 2nd Choice in January 2002?
    AVAILABILITY

    Are we happy with our 2nd Choice?
    YES...Both times we paid less for our nice DC minivan than the Odyssey LX would have cost.

    What about less trade in?
    Moot point since our 2nd daughter and her husband bought our used 1999 GC SE for the same amount we got for trade in. Salesman at each dealership was equally pleasant, decent, and trustworthy.

    Odyssey advantages: Most power, most comfortable seats, Magic Seat, most cargo space with all seats in place, Flexible 2nd row seating, 5 Speed Automatic in 2002, slightly higher EPA ratings.

    DC advantages: Availability, Separately controlled temperature for driver and front seat passenger, Complete Overhead console with compass/outside temperature/accurate trip computer, automatic locking door locks, more convenient dealer for oil and oil filter changes, better quality stereo....(and I can not leave out the padded armrests on the front doors).

    I drive my brother-in-laws 2001 Odyssey EX frequently (as a service to them when they fly all over the country I drive it home when they leave and back to airport when they return...a WIN/WIN situation: convenience for them and an excellent opportunity for me to drive and compare the Odyssey to DC minivans).
    The seats in the new 2002 Odysseys are NOT as comfortable for me as are the 1999-2001 years but I do like the 5 speed automatic in the 2002.
  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    Good comparison, but one item you missed in favor of Ody is than DC is still using Gen 3 seat belt buckles on all rear seat positions. Only have Gen 4 buckles in front seats.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    In 99, Odyssey had 2 shades of gray. Granite Green(dark gray) and Canyon Stone Silver (light grey) I found a dealer that had bought out a previous dealer. There were 2 Odyssey's on order by the previous dealer which were coming in 2 weeks with no waiting buyers. I got the 2nd. The first was dark gray, mine was light gray. BTW at that time there was a 3-5 month wait for the Odyssey. That was over 61,000 miles ago. It still runs like new.
    I owned a 96 DC van and frequently rent DC vans on business trips. They have really improved their vans, especially in fit and finish.
    One problem with the Odyssey is there are few, if any, of them available for test drives.

    I do believe that this forum can be mellow, non aggressive, and an assistance to those that are considering buying either minivan. I do appreciate humor, as well. Just my $ .02
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I do believe that this forum can be mellow, non aggressive, and an assistance to those that are considering buying either minivan.

    Pat, has nobody told you that Santa isn't real?
  • ody01ody01 Posts: 100
    No need owner get mad other owner also drive nice minivan. Odyssey good value sticker price. Chrysler now copy with "e" models no discount, fair price. Chrysler need more copy Honda: Magic Seat, large engine standard all Chrysler minivan.
    Odyssey best minivan, all Odyssey standard 3.5L V6 most power, good mileage. Some Chrysler also good large 3.8L V6 some model lots power, high mileage almost same Odyssey.
    Need forum Honda Odyssey vs Chrysler/Dodge vs Kia Sedona. Smaller, less expensive Sedona same size 3.5L V6 Odyssey use more fuel much less power. Sedona same size short Chrysler Voyager and Dodge Caravan.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    Magic seat is not for everyone, especially when you need to carrry five people all the time. Also, these are Minivans not sports cars. Most of the minivans out in the market have enough power to get you on the highway without any problem.
  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    "A little life and fun in these fora would go a long way towards making them palatable while exchanging info and points-of-view."

    Agree 100% with Bigwhammy. All of my posts on the subject of the superiority of the Ody minivan were interspersed with a certain amount of self deprecating humor. I certainly do not believe that the Honda is by all means a perfect vehicle. I apologize to all of the other van owners if my humor was lost on them. ("I'm shakin the tree boss, shakin the tree").

    Whammy - no need to keep an eye on me. I've certainly learned my lesson and won't stray off the topic again. ("What we have hee-ahh.....is a failya to communicate.")
  • whambamwhambam Posts: 37
    I saw you sneaK in that self-de***cating humor comment.

    You ain't foolin' me none, no sir, no how, no way!

    I've decided to let you slide this time, and won't rat you out to the Hosts, all of whom snap-to immediately to ameliorate any complaint I might have. image

    Now then, how 'bout them Hondas? How 'bout them D/C's? image
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Magic seat is not for everyone, especially when you need to carrry five people all the time

    Explain! When the Honda will carry 7 adults which means you could carry 2 in front, 2 in middle and 1 in rear or 3 in rear and take out the 2 middle seats.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    Now this heah is yo Honda magic seat. Any man don't have a magic seat, spends da night in the box. Any man don't have 240 HP, spends da night in the box.
    Any man doesn't have an infinity sound system, spends a night in da box. Any man doesn't have a driver's arm rest, speds da night in da box.
    I think whambam can eat 8 dozen hard boiled eggs in an hour.
  • xafxaf Posts: 37
    The only magic to the seat is the fact that it folds.

    If you have ever slept on a fold away cot, you will understand that comfort is not the priority in design.

    So it is convienent, but would you want to sit on one for 4 hours.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    Kids are pretty resilient. Even their little tushes are resilient.
  • steelengsteeleng Posts: 71
    I agree with tomtomtom that the magic seat is not nearly as useful if you carry 5 people all of the time. In both of the scenarios that you mentioned it would be impossible to fold down the magic seat therefore making it no more useful than a bench. I happen to be in the situation where I have 2 carseats strapped into the rear bench in my DGC and another in the middle row (carseats are too wide to get three into one row). If I want to take out the bench (or fold down a magic seat if I had one) I would have to remove both carseats in the first place. Yeah after that the magic seat is more useful but either way I would have to plan ahead to use that space.
  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    Yes, the magic seat is not as soft and supple (I surmise) as the DC barcolounger seat. Yes, the folding design is not of importance if you've got car seats strapped to it, or you need to transport 5. But if you've never made a midnight run back from Tiajuana, hauling in a couple of keys in the magic seat-well.....
    Well, you just wouldn't understand.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    Nothing up my sleeves, now watch closely. My magic seat.
    My 18 year old daughter sits in the first rear seat position in my Odyssey's magic seat . She stretches her feet out along side the middle seats, that I have hooked together like a single bench She has the most leg room of any one in the van. She has never complained about being uncomfortable.
    However, we know all teenagers are silent as they accept life's unfair adversities.. Teenagers accept their lot without a word of complaint, much less a sarcastic comment.
  • xafxaf Posts: 37
    it seems everyone knows someone who has sat on a magic seat.

    I was curious have any of you done the long trip with 3 people on that "seat", 1 adult and two children.

    Let's just say I was pretty numb after the long drive.

    You can stick kids in a cardboard box and they will be comfortable.

    Adults need a little more than "magic"
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    Sorry, I was wrong...with the magic seat folded down the mighty Ody will be able to fit like 14 people in there. 2 in front, 2 in middle and 10 people can lay on top of each others in the cargo area...this is a teenager dream car...
  • whambamwhambam Posts: 37
    8 pickled egg, quart watermellon wine.

    Now need D/C 2-zone air condition, good feature.

    Ody van now smell like Hersbird goat.
  • The one piece sliding rear bench seat of DC minivans is more comfortable for 3 than is the newer DC 50/50 split rear "fold-and-tumble" seating or the Ody Magic Seat. The Magic Seat and new DC 50/50 seats are really comfortable for only 2 adults as the side hinges of Magic Seat and middle hinges of DC 50/50 create discomfort for the person(s) sitting on top of them.
    Having had both DC configurations I would prefer the Odyssey Magic Seat to either DC 3rd row seating.
    The Odyssey driver's seat is much more comfortable for me than the driver's seat in either our former 1999 GC SE or current 2002 T&C eL. The 2002 Odyssey seats are NOT as comfortable for me as were the 1999-2001 Odyssey seats.
    I have not sat on any of the 3 rear seats for an over an hour or two at any given time. All were comfortable for me for that length of time.
  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    Hungarian breakfast not to my liking. Stick with Polish fare - pork tails, sour kraut, perogies and wash down with dandelion wine.

    DC have triple zone AC? Just want to know from someone who has it - is it really possible to have the driver cooled/warmed to say 72 and the front passenger cooled/warmed to 78? Doesn't ambient air temp even out in an open enclosure with a volume of some 200 cubic feet?

    Not to sound like a sexist...OK, to sound like a sexist - I always thought the dual front zone was a chick feature. After all, it's common knowledge that males have a much greater span in their personal comfort level with regard to the environment. My personal comfort level span ranges from 60 - 80 degrees. Within this range, I can comfortably operate with one layer of clothing and no supplemental heating or cooling. My wife's comfort span on the other hand, ranges from 72-78 degrees. Cooler than 72 and we're heating, warmer than 78 and we're cooling. Bdaddy's own extensive research on this subject confirms this is a universally accepted fact.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    I owned a 96 DC with the dual zone heating A/C . My wife really liked it.
    Of course, she married me. What does she know ?
  • whambamwhambam Posts: 37
    Garlic keep smell away.

    Ody nice EX feature dial temp 68 degree. Wife want different, must employ advanced engineer technique known as vent diddling.

    After eat pickled egg, wife open all window, rear vents, rear hatch, drive through car wash
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