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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    Since my post 1571 6 more posts on Honda Odyssey problems board. DC vans 0. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Did you read each Odyssey post to see if it was a different problem/person or just a whole lot of interested Odyssey people trying to help out the person who was having a problem. Since it don't happen very often, Odyssey people care. DC people expect problems and through the years they were right.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    There are over 5000 posts on Odyssey compared to about 2600 on DC and Town & country combined. So it is fair to say that with a 2 to 1 number of positive posts, one might as logically say that with 14 million to ! million in sales, that there is not much positive to say about DC.vans. It as logical to infer this as it is that the number of problems posted has any meaning.
    Odyssey owners post more than DC owners for whatever reason
    BTW a more interesting statistic is that DC is losing market share .
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    Again your reasoning has nothing to back it up. Yes, I have read all the Odyssey and DC posts and I find that on both boards there are some repeat posters with the same problems and posters trying to help them out with their experiences. Pat84 As to losing market share, when you are number one, and DC still is after all these years, as more and more manufacturer's copy your design and offer different features, you will lose share. Perhaps the growth of the minivan and SUV segment is over.Have you gone back and counted All the Edmunds boards, archived and present posts before making your statement?
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    I posted in the Odyssey boards older than the current archived boards. I made posts in the old forums that Odyssey owners were always more prolific. Edmund's at one time could only have forums of about 1000 posts. They then would continue with a Roman numeral. So the Odyssey posts could get to XXIII while the DC board lagged behind.
    I offer no reason, just that it has always been that way. Interesting, that there were Odyssey posts about the then new 99 model before it was generally available.
    BTW most people wore flame suits and asbestos gloves back then. There were many more inflammatory posts. Chryslervan1( then Carlton1) I am sure remembers that as well. He has been around as long as I have, I believe. We have mellowed out quite a bit.
  • crkeehncrkeehn Posts: 513
    The only decent and meaningful Ody comparison discussion was the now archived comparison of the Odyssey mockup to the Yugo.

    The Odyssey Mockup won but it was close.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,417
    Do a search for "Odyssey" in the left navigation bar if you want to look around the archives - most of the old topics are still around. No eta, as usual, on when (if?) the old boards will be searchable.

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  • xafxaf Posts: 37
    After pricing the Ody, my guess is that the Honda owners are all sitting at home, unable to afford the gas to drive their vans. This gives them lots of time to send out lots of notes about how great their vans are ;?
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    Now is that a fen shui post ? I have never observed the ";?" punctuation at the end of a declarative sentence before.
    "Can't we all just get along ?" - Rodney King
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    You're right buy you forgot to as Paul Harvey would say "Here is the rest of the Story."
    All the Yugo was is a rebadged DC van.
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    That some Honda posters have no facts only opinions, and not very clever ones at that.
  • whambamwhambam Posts: 37
    ... regardless of car allegiance, think only in sterile factoids and fail to get any enjoyment out of basic social intercourse.

    Stop and smell the roses, while you're still able.
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    Roses, I love to smell the Roses, and take the road less traveled, but stinky posts irritate me! Humorous enough?
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    pat84 would like to see the DC minivan market shrink more and more, but it certainly isn't shrinking fast enough. As of July 2002, Chrysler has sold more vans this year than they sold during the same time in 2001, according to www.autosite.com.

    I can't wait to see the 2005 Honda Odyssey. If they design it after the new 2003 Accord sedan it will without a doubt easily take the title of the ugliest minivan on the road.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Roses, I love to smell the Roses, and take the road less traveled, but stinky posts irritate me!

    Yea me too. Yours are at the top of the list.
  • crkeehncrkeehn Posts: 513
    You're right buy you forgot to as Paul Harvey would say "Here is the rest of the Story."
    All the Yugo was is a rebadged DC van.


    No, in fact the Yugo was a Yugo. Made in Yugoslavia and everything. Yuri the Snitch was a prime conduit to information on the YUgo models.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    I couldn't care less about DC vans selling more than last year. At least the Odyssey isn't a Ford Windstar clone like the DC van.
    But most importantly, Edmund's does not allow refereces to competitor's sites .
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    How anyone could accuse DC of being a Windstar clone is beyond me.

    Anyone with any knowledge of minivan history knows Chrysler invented the minivan in the mid '80s and everyone has been playing catch up to this day. Ford Windstar is a DC minivan wannabee, and would love to have half DC sales.

    Odyssey is probably the only one out there who has an offering comparable to DC, but will also only grab a small share as long as they keep supply tight and prices high, so they only skim the customers who think Honda walks on water.
  • steelengsteeleng Posts: 71
    Congratulations Odyssey owners, you now have one more board on Edmunds. It is the "Honda Odyssey Transmission Problem" board. The surprising thing about it is it was started by someone with a 2002 Odyssey with the new 5-speed tranny.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    As you may have noticed, the original DC vans were built like little square boxes and have been re- designed several times. The latest redesign looks very similar to the previous Windstar. Drive behind or beside either one. They are indistiguishable. the only differnce is in the front. The emblems. Both are retro though.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    As we owned an '85 for twelve years and now a '96.

    The current generation I think went a little more conservative than the '96 redesign, but I see little resemblance to the Windstar, which has seen only very slow evolutionary styling changes.

    I stand by my point, however that DC vans wipe the competition in having both short and long wheelbase versions, four engine sizes available, All wheel drive option, and models ranging from the basic economy oriented Voyagers/Caravans to fully equipped Town and Country, to cover just about anyone's price range.

    From a pure styling sense, the current Odyssey is about the boxiest minivan now available, except for maybe the GM triplets.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,417
    Except for the sliders, I prefer the DC SWB body style up through the 96 major change more than anything else out there. I'm partial to those real rain gutters too. The last time I shopped vans ('99), the multitude of DC flavors made it hard for me to figure out which model met my needs, and naturally the one you think you'd like isn't on the lot. Most other vans only offer 2 or 3 flavors, and I like that better, esp. when even the base models are well equipped.

    I don't know who's copying who, but I have lots of trouble distinguishing one MV from another. But I have a worse time with sedans.

    You were a real early adopter, Badgerfan!

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  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    Obviously, you are not very read about the automotive market. The advertising that came out with the 99 Odyssey showed the outline of the 96 DC vans as the model for their design. My sole purpose in posting is to challenge the accuracy of some uninformed posters. I will not attack any Odyssey owner who does not post inaccuracies.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    You sure have an interesting vue of the Odyssey. I have the original brochures and remember the 99 Honda web site. No where was there any mention of a DC van as a model for the Honda.
    Can you give the web site of your reference ?
    BTW attacking other posters is against the Edmund's user agreement.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Yes, we have had a Caravan in the family a long time. The '85 developed it's share of problems toward the end, and unfortunately most of them soon after we were contemplating upgrading to a new one and then decided to keep it one more year! But it still was a very useful vehicle. So we bought another one. The '96 has been perfect at 60K miles until this summer when the AC went and cost a lot (evaporator which means disassembling the whole dash.)

    Like hyneldan, I don't post often, only when I see blatant erroneous facts. I am also not one to knock the Odys-I am sure they are good vehicles, just in such short supply that they are overpriced and lack all the choices of DC minivans (we like the short wheelbase DC because of better manuverability, which Ody doesn't have, for instance)

    And, Pat84, Caravan has been the standard for all competition to attempt to match since way back in 1984, whether Honda publicly acknowledged it in '99 or not. I will agree that the current Ody probably comes closest. A lot of competitors are crowding the market these days.
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    The ads I refer to appeared in Time Newsweek and the magazine sections of the Chicago Sunday papers. They were full 2 page ads with the Odyssey shown in profile,with the outline of a 96-99 Grand Caravan behind it. In Motor Trend 98 comparison between Sienna and Caravan they mentioned that Honda was coming out with a "DC clone" to replace the current poor selling version. Their words not mine. It's tough being #1 selling minivan for 19 years.
  • whambamwhambam Posts: 37
    Am I correct recalling that the Ody turning radius is exceptionally small?
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,417
    I don't have the specs in front of me, but it was much better than my Quest. I haven't noticed it being much of an issue but U Turns do turn into 3 point turns. I did a few U Turns in the Odyssey I test drove and only once did I have to do a 3 pointer, and that was on a substandard city street.

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  • crkeehncrkeehn Posts: 513
    Pat, you don't know your styling history. Both the 1995 Windstar and 1996 DC van got their inspiration from the same place. According to the Car Place website, both designs were inspired by a farm in the Detroit area that raised Pot Bellied Pigs. Yes, both vans are inspired by the Pot Bellied Pig. All else is history.
  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    DC should have given you some help on the A/C failure, at least paying for the evaporator coil, over $300 as I recall.
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