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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • bakalarbakalar Posts: 2
    Is there any way to protect yourself from this Ody transmission problem? Actually had one go out within the first 100 miles. This is a deal killer. Or is this the exception? Appreciate any feed back.
  • jasonrupjasonrup Posts: 13
    St.Louis may build some LWB vans (lowlines) I never said they didn't - I don't know and don't care, but as I mentioned they do build all of the SWB vans, Windsor Assembly only builds LWB. Honda better watch out though, I can bet you that the next generation DCX vans will be more radically styled and will be based on the Pacifica platform (more room) with a drop down rear bench and a 4 wheel independent suspension - it may be speculation but it's only common sense.
  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    I have no doubt that DC will invest in new sheet metal and neglect updating the engines and trans. That's the history of this manufacturer and the Euro mgmt. is not smart enough to recognize the problem. Honda has nothing to worry about from DC IMO.
  • ody01ody01 Posts: 100
    bakalar say Ody transmission problem. Ford 3.8L engine head gasket problem. Toyota 3.0L engine sludge problem. My 2001 Ody EX no problem 13000 miles. Pacifica 3.5L engine never used DC minivan.
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    Oh give me a break! Chrysler won't invest in updating their engines and transmissions? What are you talking about? They already have! It's no secret and it certainly isn't a corporate lie. Pick up a business magazine or go read the automotive editorials and reports at Detroit News.com. Chrysler has started and improved numerous programs designed to improve quality across the board on all their vehicles and the results are showing. Not only do Chrysler products have a higher quality look on the inside and out but their transmission and engines are lasting longer and giving better performance at the same time. Just look at Consumer Reports or the awards from JD Power if you don't believe me.

    Chrysler vans were ranked #2 in initial quality according to JD Powers. I doubt the Odyssey was #1.

    As for engine and transmission performance, it too has improved with the latest generation of Chrysler vans. You don't believe me? Just ask edmunds who said the Town & Country's 3.8 12V OHV performed just as well if not better than many of the competition's more advanced engines. Both the 2.4, 3.3, and 3.8 engines were overhauled for 2001 and now give better performance and are cleaner running, not to mention they were all refined to deliver much smoother acceleration.

    In addition, every year Chrysler improves the reliability AND performance of their 41TE transmission. The 4-speed that is in our 2001 PT Cruiser is the same unit that is used in our 2000 Town & Country, but is MUCH, MUCH smoother and efficient. All of those improvements were made in only a year's time. And I'm confident the performance and reliability of a 2002 41TE would be even greater than that of the unit used in our 2001 Cruiser.

    Ody01, you only have 13,000 miles on your Odyssey. And yes, Honda did have a problem with the transmissions in the earlier 1999 and 2000 Odyssey vans. It is nowhere near as large in scale as the one Chrysler had with it's vans, but its still a problem. Unless, of course, you can honestly tell me Honda quality has declined THAT much.

    -Adam
    41K miles on 00 T&C NO PROBLEMS
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    Not to be inflammatory, but saying that the same transmission is smoother and more efficient in a PT Cruiser than in a T&C is not saying much, considering the weight difference.
    There were some bad components from a supplier that caused some initial problems with the Odyssey ( and I think Accord) transmissions. Honda replaced them under warranty. Honda does stand behind their product.
  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    Judging from replacement 41TE trans supplied by DC I can tell you that there is no noticeable improvement compared to original.
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    "Judging from replacement 41TE trans supplied by DC I can tell you that there is no noticeable improvement compared to original."

    Judging by that statement alone, I can surmise that you have no clue what you are talking about.
  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    You may surmise whatever you please.

    The fact is that my replacement 41TE trans performs no better than the original and I would warn anyone contemplating purchase of a DC van to expect early failure of trans. Notwithstanding the 7/70 warranty, you will also have to convince the dealer if there is anything wrong with it short of total failure.

    I would also advise anyone not to purchase until DC puts Gen 4 seatbelt buckles in ALL seating positions, not just the front row.
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    "The fact is that my replacement 41TE trans performs no better than the original and I would warn anyone contemplating purchase of a DC van to expect early failure of trans."

    That would explain why the shift quality of our 2000 Town & Country is much better than that of our 1998 Grand Caravan 3.3 or how we have gone through two DC vans with no problems whatsoever. Or how my friend has 65k miles on his 2000 Town & Country Limited with no serious problems.

    Chrysler has sold 9 million minivans. I'm sure only a fraction of that number have experienced serious problems with their vans. I'd love for you drive a 96 T&C and tell me it gave the same performance as a new 02. If you said yes, I'd call you a liar.

    -Adam
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,016
    Let's avoid the name-calling, present and future.

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  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    I drove two new 02 GC's this year and trans was OK but so was mine when new. Most mechanical problems develop over time and will not be apparent during test drive of a vehicle that only has a few miles.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    I am sure that DC has improved it's transmissions since 1996. They have upgraded the transmission fluid , too.
    I owned a 96. I traded it in at a significant loss with 72k miles on it for a Honda Odyssey. I now have 58K trouble free miles and it drives just like new.
  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    Pat 84 is sure DC improved its trans but bought a Honda. I will check out Honda when I can tolerate their cheeky salesmen again.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    I try to be positive, and not disparage others choices in minivans. I had a great experience buying my Odyssey. A new owner bought out an older dealership. In the process, two Odysseys ordered by the old dealership and for which there were no waiting customers were arriving in two weeks. I got the second one. 2 1/2 months after I had been driving my Odyssey, another dealer called and said the one I was on the waiting list for was in. I told him to give it to next in line.
  • ody01ody01 Posts: 100
    Looked two dealers. All salesmen both dealer very nice, not pushy. Drove Odyssey demonstrator no deposit yet. Got my 2001 Odyssey where refundable deposit option. Kia salesman pushy when looked again at Sedona.
  • odd1odd1 Posts: 226
    Did you see Edmunds acceleration times in their Odyssey 2002 test drive? Don't read the article beyond the times. You aren't going to like it.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Looks like the only thing that the DC vans are faster at than the Odyssey is depreciation.
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    I read the entire review about three days ago. Based on many of Edmunds past biased and incorrect articles and reviews, I wasn't too surprised.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    As was I by your answer.
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