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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • C R 2005 Buying guide

      

    Reliability Verdicts

      

    Ody: 1999 rated -(Average)

    Ody: 2000 - 2004 rated _/(Above Average)

      

    DGC/T & C: 1999 rated -(Average)

    DGC/T & C: 2000 - 2003 rated X (Below Average)

      

    Let the numbers from a large sampling speak for themselves. It is information like this and others(such as C & D, Edmunds, etc) that one can use to make their buying decisions. <<

    I just looked up on the Consumer Reports website (the most current data) and found some differing results than what you posted:
    Honda is average (not above average) for 02, DC is average for 03 & 04 (not below average)

    I can also report that the '05 DC models have the check mark for recommended next to them as well.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,778
    Pick up the telephone and call him if you're that curious?
  • "I have sent him information gathered from the Town Hall stating the simple fix for the whistling noise and wonder why he has not responded."

     

    Maybe the whistling noise is preventing him from hearing the ding that tells him he has mail? (tic)
  • "Many of the problems that are stated are blown out of proportions by the relatively few affected.

      

    The whistling noise problem is history - the fix is a simple one to the windshield cowl area. The transmission problem has been addressed by the recall - infact I would not be surprised if most of the owners affected were towing heavy trailers like a truck does and their vehicle was also not equipped with additional coolers for thr tranny, power steering, i.e. the trailer package."

     

    Hmmmmmmmmmm! Funny how one judges.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    ROFL. Great response.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Hard to do without having the telephone number.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I got a chance to see the 2005 Honda Odyssey today when taking in the wife's Civic for an oil change.

     

    I must admit it is a very nice van. As vans go, I would say it's at the top of the heap as far as looks and has a lot of nice little extras that are not on my Dodge. Looks a lot more classy than my 05 Dodge G.C.too.

     

    Comparing them is a lot like comparing a Caddy to a Buick. It seems like they are priced about the same as they compare a Buick to a Caddy.

     

    While I liked the Odyssey a lot. I am not a bit sorry I bought the Dodge. With already having a car that is less than a year old, I am not interested in paying the thousands more to have a (Caddy)Especially with the features that I have on the Dodge G.C.

     

     My big attraction to the Dodge was the stow and go seats and all the storage space. I never expected to get an AM radio, with both CD, cassette and six speakers with it too. The most I ever had in a car was four and either a cassette or CD. Then I find I have the radio controls on the steering wheel. Another feature I never had. Then the salesman points out the overhead console that not only gives me outside temp. and compass, but a computer that tells me how many MPG the van gets and how far I can go on a tank of gas. Heated outside mirrors, power drivers seat, three way A/C, power sliding doors and power rear hatch. Tire,low air warning light on the dash and power rear windows.

     

    Later I discover Chrysler put a battery saver feature on the van so the battery won't go dead if I don't close the door tight and the over head lights stay on. It saved me from not being able to to pick up the wife two days after buying the van when the grand kids pushed them all on and I didn't notice it for awhile.

     

    Like I say, I think the Honda looks a lot more classy. But with everything I have on this van, the smooth ride and the quietness it has, I feel like I have a Caddy, that I paid a Buick price for and got it with 0% financing. I am a very happy man.
  • I liked the T&C a lot, though I bought an Ody. And I am sure you will enjoy your van.

     

    Thought this was interesting and relevant to this thread in particular ... I assume everyone has seen the new Money magazine (arrived at our home yesterday) where the 2005 Ody is selected as the best VALUE in minivans? I think that says something. True, the "reviews" are very shallow and quick. But the selection as best value is based on a number of factors that combine features/reliability/safety with cost. Our view of the T&C was it might be a better value than an Ody assuming the price was much lower (and it was when we negotiated). But Money seems to indicate otherwise, at least in a general sense (because face it, Money isn't going to have greatly detailed car reviews).
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,252
    Looks like Money said the same thing three months ago:

     

    CNN Money

     

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  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Great article on the new Odyssey in CNN Money and I am sure they are right. I am sure anyone who buys one will be very happy with it.

     

    I will also be happy with what I bought and what I paid. As I said, the stow and go seating was really what I wanted for the way I wanted to use the van and all the goodies that came with it was like icing on the cake for me. If I tried getting many of them on a car, I would be paying many thousands more for them. And heck, it even rides like a car.
  • "Looks like Money said the same thing three months ago:"

     

    Actually, this appears to be different. The link goes to an article where the Ody is picked as the "best" minivan. The article in the new issue says "best value." And the link shows Money as picking the Tacoma in the truck category, while the new magazine we received picks the Ford F-150 (or whatever that is called). I assume the addition of looking at value changed the truck ranking, but it did not change the minivan ranking. That's what I find interesting, the value tag.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,252
    Heh, I do sort of wonder if they are rehashing a story with a slightly different twist so they have new info to put in the magazine.

     

    But value is different from reliability or performance, etc.

     

    Maybe the new article will show up on CNN in a week or two, and I can rehash my link posting. :-

    )

     

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  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    marine2, this was a good a well-thoought out post, but what's scary to me is that you've posted probably a 100 anti-Odyssey posts prior to even seeing the vehicle!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Most of those post had to do with the older Odyssey and what Honda owners were saying about their own vans. When there are many posts out there complain about wind noise, sliding doors that won't close and etc. I don't have to see or drive one to comment on it. I am sure there are people out there that never owned or drove a Dodge mini van but knew about their past reliability and commented on it. Hopefully the problems with the older style Odyssey won't show up on the new ones. Same as I hope with the Dodge.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    After closely comparing one son's 2001 Ody EX purchased NEW and another son's 2002 GC Sport purchased as a used vehicle.

        The 01 Ody has more flexible 2nd row seating, the Magic Seat, and more comfortable seats while the 02 GC is quieter with a smoother ride and has separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger.

        The 2005 Ody EX is a very nice vehicle and I like the 8 passenger capability plus the location of the spare tire better than the 2005 GC SXT...but the GC SXT has the complete overhead console. Otherwise, the 2 are very comparable.

        If resale value is important, the Odyssey is the winner but for comfort and nice extra features the Grand Caravan wins.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    For me it boiled down to how much I wanting to spend and what I planned on using it for, plus features.

     

    I didn't want to pay out anymore than I had to because of the other new car we had to buy. And I wanted the stow and go seats and storage.

     

    I was always hauling stuff in my Dakota C.C.,but never liked the idea that I couldn't carry more than the smallest stuff inside without it laying in the floor or seats. The truck always looked messy.

     

    I liked my brother's Dodge van when I drove it. But several times I had to help him take the seats out to get stuff in it, when we were moving kids or family and they were really heavy and awkward to get out.

     

    Then some makers came out with fold down seats that I liked, but that didn't take care of not having anyplace to hide stuff like you could in the trunk of a car. I might as well keep the truck. That is until Dodge came out with the stow and go seats. It gave me the best of two worlds. I had plenty of room to carry stuff and gobs of room to hide stuff so my van looked neat and clean all the time.

     

    Then I find out I can stow just one seat, still have plenty of storage and plenty of room to get the three grand kids in and out of the van quickly and have plenty of room for the dog to lay down without him having to set on the seats. I was a happy man. The Dodge van met all my needs. I couldn't ask for anything more.

     

    So I guess it boils down to what your going to use your van for and what you want to always carry in it. If it's mostly to carry people, it looks like the Honda would be the best choice. Great looking van with many features. It just didn't meet my needs. None of the others did either.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    His NEW 2005 Honda Odyssey EX purchased November 30, 2004 still has the "whistling noise" and he was disappointed with the gas mileage on a recent 600 mile round trip.

         Why may I be in trouble? YES, I recommended the Odyssey EX as my recommended "first choice" in a new minivan when he started shopping last summer and now I drive a 2002 T&C LX.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Hans....my MPV had a whistling noise when bought.

    They said the rear hatch needed adjusting. Which eliminated the noise.Didn't say anything about the roof rack.
  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    "His NEW 2005 Honda Odyssey EX purchased November 30, 2004 still has the "whistling noise" and he was disappointed with the gas mileage on a recent 600 mile round trip."

     

    He'd be disappointed with the mileage, if he drove faster than 60-65 mph. Driving at my normal speed of 75 mph I get no better than 22mpg in the Touring with VCM!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Preliminary report was 23 MPG on his trip. After locating the phone number, I called but he has not been home when I have called and has not sent an e-mail reply.

         He, his wife, and children love their Odyssey even though the mileage was not as high as he had expected.
  • merc4merc4 Posts: 4
    I have a 2005 EX.

    I would love to know the simple fix for the whistling noise before it drives me crazy.

    Thanks for your help.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Back to the dealer (a recall? I believe) to have the cowl on the hood replaced/fixed.
  • merc4merc4 Posts: 4
    I called the service department at my dealer and they claimed that they are not aware of the whistling problem.

    Does anyone know the name of a dealer who fixed this problem on a 2005 Odyssey EX? I would like to contact that dealer to find the details of the repair.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    I read about a few Ody owners in this forum over the past few months that had this same problem solved at their dealers.

    Maybe one of them would come forward. Or Steve, OUR HOST, can trace them.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,252
    Try an Advanced Search for Odyssey Cowl (or a Google site search like "odyssey cowl site:edmunds.com").

    Here's one example:

    pdg, "Honda Odyssey 2005+" #3071, 6 Feb 2005 5:35 pm

    I didn't run across the TSB number off-hand. Note that the roof rack may be the problem and not the cowl.

    Maybe you (Merc4) should just call Honda USA and tell them the problem is well known on the forums but your dealer seems either clueless or intentionally unhelpful.

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  • merc4merc4 Posts: 4
    Thanks for the info.

    I do not have the factory installed crossbars.

    I'll give Honda USA a call.
  • tmactmac Posts: 6
    Here's the quandry: We own a 2001 Dodge GC ES which is fully loaded (leather, heated seats, power doors and liftgate, power seats, everything) with only 44k on it. It's been dealer maintained and is covered under an extended warranty we bought from Dodge when we bot the car new. So far it's been very reliable. Car is in mint condition.

    My wife loves driving the Dodge but we're also attracted to the Odyssey Touring. Fold away seats in the Honda would be an advantage for sure. She'd love to have a sunroof. Also more airbags. KBB says the private party resale value for the Dodge is $15k and trade is $12.5k.

    Should we keep the Dodge for a while longer or go for the Odyssey?
  • 97xpresso97xpresso Posts: 249
    Go for the Odyssey, if you can afford it, because I doubt you will see nothing near the resale values you listed.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Well, if you like to blow your money on new cars, buy a new one.

    Your Dodge GC is barely broken in and also covered by an extended warranty, and your wife loves driving the car. So why feed money to a dealer for a new van other than that you have the new car itch?

    All vehicles lose the most of their value in the first 3-5 years, then it tapers off much more slowly, so if you change now, you have basically maximized your out of pocket expenses for owning a vehicle.
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    Keep the Dodge and have a sunroof installed in it with the money you will have saved.
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