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Buick Rainier, Chevy TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Try running it with the mirror(s) folded in and see if the noise is any different. On the subaru WRX @ 115-130mph they get a wind noise off the mirror, but if folded doesn't make the noise.

    -mike
  • Hello everyone,

    I need your help. I am currently looking at buying a 1998 envoy from Carmax. I have never really looked at the envoy's and to be honest haven't seen that many on the road. The car is in EXCELLENT condition and has everything I could want. Carmax is selling it for $16,900, it has 57,000 miles on it and just like i said I do not see a thing wrong with it. Since i haven't seen that many on the road and really haven't heard much about them, i am relying on you to help me out with the pros and cons and possible suggestions of what to look for or lookout for. Please either reply to this message through a post or email me at millymom924@aol.com. Thanks!
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Yes, they are here. We just got back from a trip to PA and I saw a new all white "LTZ"-look EXT sitting outside the local dealer by the road. From pics it looked kind of weird, but isn't all that bad in person, even in white. We just bought a new Avalanche 2 weeks ago, but I'd like to ride in a TB or TB EXT sometime to see what they're actually like.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    I think you're in the wrong forum. This is for the new 2002 GM triplets, not the old ones like you're inquiring about. Keep looking under the SUV Town Hall and you should be able to find the right board, just for the old Envoy.
  • mraumrau Posts: 50
    Here is a photo of the missing gasket everyone has been talking about. Stopped by the GMC dealer today to take a look. About 1/2 of the Envoys and TBs had the gasket.

    Notice this is an XL. But the regular Envoy looked the same.


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  • mraumrau Posts: 50
    here is a photo of the sticker for a TB EXT. This one is pretty well loaded.


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  • mraumrau Posts: 50
    Here is a shot of the Envoy XL from the rear side. Notice the top is higher and has thicker rails for luggage rack. Also the rear passenger door is much wider. Dealer had three of these, all loaded and all of them white.


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  • mraumrau Posts: 50
    ... Here is a photo of the license plate gasket in place. I meant to show this right after the other photo, but it didn't work that way. In any case, about half the Envoys had the gasket in place. Notice how it stops a couple of inches before it reaches the bottom of the handle. Not sure why it does that.
    I wonder if GM will retro fit the Envoys we have???


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  • pepper50pepper50 Posts: 195
    mrau wrote:
    "I wonder if GM will retro fit the Envoys we have???"

    I'm sure they will be glad to. Otherwise, GM will have a lot of expensive paint/repaint bills on their hands. So in the long run it will be a lot cheaper for them to undertake the prevention.

    Thanks for posting the photos!
  • As a proud owner of a 2002 Eddie Bauer Explorer V-8 I was glad to see it come out on top. Some of you believe that the Trailblazer didn't win because Edmunds is bias against GM. Go check out the article on www.TruckTrend.com where they tested the Explorer Ltd V-8, Envoy SLT, Grand Cherokee Ltd & Durango R/T. These are the same guys that bring you MotorTrend who named the Envoy SUV of the year. The Ford outclassed the GMC in every performance test. The only area the GMC was rated above the Ford was in off Hwy ride.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Off-hiway. That is funny the only one in that list above suited for off-road use is the GC. Just goes to show how un-real-world 99% of the articles and what not really are.

    -mike
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,529
    The older Envoy discussions died off due to lack of interest. You can still read those boards by putting "Envoy" in the search engine on the left navigation bar and following the links. Hopefully you can glean some info from them.

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  • scottc454scottc454 Posts: 356
    watchtower,

    It wasn't so much as the Trailblazer not winning, but the criteria in the article itself. Obviously, many things are a matter of opinion, but ranking a Durango above the Trailblazer boggles my mind. It's not like I'm losing sleep over it, but I can't accept it.

    As for the performance debate, I look at it this way. For more money, worse gas mileage, and less horsepower, you can get a V-8 Explorer that will be a little bit better in off the line acceleration vs. the Envoy. By the same token, there must have been some reason you didn't get an Overland JGC. Ain't no SUV quicker than that. Maybe GM should have made a Vortec V-8 option available and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    Moreover, why then did Motortrend rate the Envoy over the Explorer for SUV of the year? They really need to give the Explorer some styling and work on that interior big time.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You guys are a riot and magazines for that matter too. These are TRUCKS not race cars. When I want to go fast I get in my sports car, not my SUV. Quite entertaining.

    -mike
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I have no problem with the Explorer winning but I don't think the Trailblazer is a 4th place truck either. They faulted the truck with not having a 3rd row for example when the third row in any other mid-size SUV is unusable anyway. Of course the EXT version is coming.
  • 2002slt2002slt Posts: 228
    Aren't you the same person that claims to have gone 115MPH in their Isuzu Trooper? Is that a race car, or a truck?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I have gone that fast, but if it only topped out at 85mph I'd have no problem with that at all. I don't have to have exceptional 0-60 times, nor high top-end on my SUV. Heck if I was *that* concerned about my acceleration, I wouldn't have gone from 245-70-16 tires to 275-70-16 on it. :) My other car is a subaru XT6 AWD which I auto-x and go fast especially in the twisties with.

    -mike
  • tblazedtblazed Posts: 945
    'Tis amazing what less than $3 worth of glue, tape and foam can do applied in the right places! I feel like I am doing the fine tweaking that GM should have done in the 9 months I waited before I bought my TB. Now I get to deal with the tailgate-lic frame-gasket issue. Then again I have never bought a "perfect" vehicle. My friend that is a Certified Lexus Tech is kept busy 6 days a week. Last time I visited him he was tearing down a '98 Lexus engine due to a chemical reaction happening with the coolant, radiator and engine block dissimilar metals causing engine failures, so it ain't just GM or American cars..
  • I'm from the Chicago area and have been waiting for the Envoy XL. I was told they would be available mid March. Then, end of April, then June! What is the deal?
  • 2002slt2002slt Posts: 228
    Check out posts 4792 and 4793. It looks like they've arrived.
  • towards removing a penny from the defroster vent on the dash for the front windshield. I'll try to summarize my little story. I had a folded brochure in my pocket that I pulled out and passed to some back passengers. A penny got stuck in the folds, and as I brought the brochure over my shoulder, the penny flew out and went right into the defroster vent like there was a vortex sucking the penny into the one place that's a pain to remove it from. I tried a pickle puller type tool, but there's some slanted louvers to direct air below the vent grid that killed my expedition into the vent for retrieval.
    What would really help is to know how to remove the part of the dash cover that covers the two dash mounted speakers. I would imagine that it's removable for access to those speakers, and once out of the way I would have better access to get down into the vent. Anybody know if that part of the dash comes off easily?
  • medolarkmedolark Posts: 93
    What's to worry about a penny in the vent. I would ignore it unless of course it makes some irritating rattle. Good Luck!
  • jw4gmjw4gm Posts: 27
    Since I haven't seen other complaints, can I assume I'm the only one who hates the oil dipstick? Has anyone figured out how to get an accurate reading? I've even tried wiping chalk on the stupid little oil colored, yellow thingie and am never sure. How can I master this engineering marvel?
  • cmack4cmack4 Posts: 302
    the dipstick works pretty well if you get all of the oil out of the indentations first. When you push it in and pull it back out... if they all fill up, it's full! One thing I noticed, It takes about 7.25 quarts to get the dipstick to register "full"... Anyone else notice this?
  • cmack4cmack4 Posts: 302
    I just picked my Bravada up from the dealer, and now the front lower fascia is noticeably firmer! I asked what they had done, besides replacing anything that was broken or missing. They Epoxied the pushpins in the "hold" position as well as tightened the cables that hold it in place. The body shop guy actually told me that this procedure was from a notice that came out for the 00 Jimmy/Blazer/Bravada. You think GM would have learned...
  • spdmtr5spdmtr5 Posts: 111
    that you can overide a wire clip at the back of the glove box and remove the whole thing?This happened to me by accident as I pulled too hard as I opened the box.The whole thing dropped down and dumped the contents.In this position there is a large hole to access behind the dash.Pretty neat!
  • cmack4cmack4 Posts: 302
    I just changed out of my work clothes, and crawled underneath my Bravada. They also replaced the plastic cords with braided stainless! No wonder it feels stronger!
  • tlaurotlauro Posts: 504
    It is funny, but then I am the goof who ran (runs?) his TB at the track :) I'll run anything there. Let you know if I take it on the 13th too.

    I would put my TB up against all but the HO 4.7l Jeep though. Sure the V8's jump a bit ahead off the light, but once they shift, they loose ground fast enough. Earlier magazines stated that the I6 fell just short in the 1/4 mile to the Jeep V8, but I've run consistant 15.6's and am not buying it unless I see some time slips. Also, my nieghbors down the street run thier V8 Explorer and the other his jeep with me as we merge on the freeway to the office..two lanes for a good ways....niether overtakes me once were rolling. The Ford isn't even close. Jeeps must be geared better. Oh well.

    tim
    1999 GTP @ 13.689
    2000 Alero "GT" @ 15.591
    2002 Trailblazer LTZ @ 15.675

    YOU WROTE:
    "You guys are a riot and magazines for that matter too. These are TRUCKS not race cars. When I want to go fast I get in my sports car, not my SUV. Quite entertaining."
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    But hey it's your vehicle not mine :)

    -mike
  • scottc454scottc454 Posts: 356
    paisan, you're the one who's funny. You mean to tell me that you actually take your SUV off road? That's crazy. Who the hell would want to do something like that? :)
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