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Buick Rainier, Chevy TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy

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  • fltrsei2fltrsei2 Posts: 9
    Wife's new Envoy's driver's power seat just died. I hope this isn't a trend but is anticipated with a new model. Its a SLT with 1SH in white. I have to admit it's a nice looking vehicle. And yes the hood and the fender do not line up right. I also noticed the back window on another one on the lot did not make a tight seal against the hatch.
  • trapjacktrapjack Posts: 5
    Can anybody give me a decent explanation why the TB with such a big engine able to haul up to 6200 lbs and larger brakes needs seperate trailer brakes if the trailer is over 1000 lbs. That's a pretty light trailer. I don't have any problem towing with the Explorer I have now. I would really like to come back to Chevy but don't know if I'll be able to. I'm not about to retrofit a '68 trailer if it was even possible. Chevy said it was required so as to not stress the brakes, but 1000 lbs is about equal to 5 adult men riding in the truck. If the brakes can't handle that they need better brakes.
  • akajoeakajoe Posts: 69
    I just received my $100 Mastercard Traveler's check from Olds. It was a nice touch. Since I am contemplating adding the running boards, this will help pay for them.

    I just spent 4 days in Orlando, Fl at Disney World. Rented a Ford Escape (much happier with this than the Mercury Mystique that they reserved for me). I was surprised that the Escape has gotten the good press that it has in the reviews, given my experience. It is not a bad vehicle for the price, but Ford has its work cut out for it if it intends to compete in this space.

    At Epcot Center, GM has sponsored an attraction called Test Track which I'm sure many of you are familiar with. At the end of the ride, there is an area where you can diddle-daddle with driving simulators and also there is a showroom where GM shows off some cars. Behind the stage area where there is a sliding curtain-wall, is an Oldsmobile Bravada '02. Apparently Disney was not informed of the demise of Olds, or were they? The curtain slide open to reveal the "piece de resistance" that is different every time it opens. The Bravada was one of them - an indigo Blue one.

    If GM tests their designs prior to production as this "Test Track" ride indicates, it convinces me that there isn't some evil intent by GM to produce "bad" products. They ring everything out in their testing facility - manufacturing variations are responsible for the issues that buyers have. I'm sure this is one area that GM is focusing on, how to reduce the amount of variation during volume manufacturing. It is one thing to make a few pre-production units and to test the crap out of them, but a whole other subject to actually product tens or hundreds of thousands per year and not have any of them have some defect that will cut into their profit margins.

    Seeing this show (if true) gives me confidence that my Bravada was built with the intent of making an exceptional vehicle (not to con me into buying a piece of junk).
  • pbshannpbshann Posts: 20
    You should be able to get a decent deal of a couple hundred over invoice, before your Olds rebate. Which if it is the same one we got for my Wife's Alero you only get $1000 off the Chevy but $1500 off any new Olds. Dealers that have TB's are selling them around here (PA) for these kinds of prices but if your dealer only has one he may be higher. Also you could try ordering one, which sometimes gets you a better price b/c dealer has little or no money in your vehicle.
  • rpageaurpageau Posts: 94
    I have one word in the way of explanation...lawyers. The TB/Envoy/Bravada all have the identical four-wheel ABS disc brakes (all 4 ventilated), so if the Envoy/Bravada don't have the same warning in their brochures, it is purely a case of Chevy's lawyers being more paranoid about lawsuits. It is just good practice to use trailer brakes once you start getting over 2000#. I have a TB, and my boat & trailer are about 1600#. Frankly, I wouldn't even know it was back there if I couldn't see it in my rearview mirror.
  • suv18suv18 Posts: 11
    FYI: I recently ordered an Envoy from an L.A. dealer for 200 under invoice (factory order) and suspect I could have done even better, as the dealer took my first offer with no negotiating on his part. I went through the fleet manager which made the whole process painless.
  • couimetcouimet Posts: 130
    No matter how good the brakes are, the more weight they have to stop, the longer the stopping distance. So, trailer brakes will help the vehicle maintain its braking distance.
  • rpageaurpageau Posts: 94
    Got my running boards finally, and they really do add to the looks of the truck. Very nice option. Picked them up yesterday, and put them on this morning. Why did I put them on myself you may ask. Well, because my dealer was trying to soak me for $595 to order and install them. These are the same OEM boards that have a MSRP option price of $325. I asked them how a couple of hunks of plastic can suddenly go from $325 to $595, and of course they had a hundred reasons. The best one was they had no control over the price, because GM dictates it. Yeah, right!

    I then called several dealers, and got prices ranging from $500 to $760. One funny thing was I heard someone in the background on one call saying the computer showed it as a 30 minute job! On a whim, I called my dealer's parts department direct (instead of the aftermarket guy), and asked for the OEM running board kit. He searched for a while, and came back and said they were $299! At that point I ordered them, and just put them on this morning.

    The installation took me an hour. The only reason it took that long was I had to jack each side of the truck up a couple of inches, and do the job laying on my back. With the truck on a lift, this is a 20 minute job max! There are 12 bolts each side that go into predrilled & tapped holes on the back of the rocker panels. I am so PO'd at my dealer for trying to stick it to me by charging $300 to do a 20 minute job (after buying a $32K truck). I think I will stop by and personally thank the General Manager for all their help!
  • ralforalfo Posts: 36
    rpageau - What are they made of? Aluminum or fibre? Can passengers actually use them to get into the truck if they wanted to, or they just for show?
  • rpageaurpageau Posts: 94
    Ralfo....They are a molded plastic composite attached to a full lenght steel platform with three pretty substantion steel brackets, that in turn attach inside the rocker panels. They are plenty strong to stand on. Now I don't need a step ladder to wash the top of the truck anymore (and I'm 6'1"). Drive by a dealership and check 'em out, or look in the brochure (most of the pictures show them).
  • couimetcouimet Posts: 130
    I've seen the numbers but has anyone compared the 2001 Pathfinder LE to the 2002 Envoy SLT in person?
  • trek1420btrek1420b Posts: 32
    rpageau. Are the running boards the black ones shown in the various pictures of the TB or like the one in the back of the brochure under GM accessories? That one is silver with black ends.

    Also, I did receive a $100 travelers check from Chevy today via registered letter. It was compensation for the recall. I like!
  • patxlbpatxlb Posts: 7
    My Envoy developed a "thump-thump" sound after leaving my son's school yesterday. It was similar to a flat tire sound. Everything looks ok, nothing hanging, tires ok. My hubby drove it and he could feel it in the steering wheel & on the floor next to his left foot. After driving it a bit and turning both sharp left & right, the noise went away. It will be going into the dealership Monday morning. Any ideas?
  • sostroublesostrouble Posts: 65
    This past week, my daughter was traveling from San Diego to St. Louis. They made it to Oklahoma, I received a phone call in the middle of the night. The car she was in struck a deer. Luckily no one was injured, but the Dodge, Neon, was pretty messed up. So we hooked up our 18' tandem trailer with brakes to the Envoy with the professional towing package and off we went to get the kids and the car.

    On the way to Oklahoma empty trailer, 17 - 18 miles per gallon. It handled great. True test was when the car was on the trailer. Made sure to take the time to properly set everything up, center the weight on the trailer so not to much tongue weight, and we were back on the road.

    Drive home was great. Easier than with my 1 ton truck, which couldn't be use, needed work before long trip. The Envoy handled excellent. Between 14 - 15 miles per gallon with car on trailer. No problems stopping or slowing down. Power was there. Most of the time on the highway you wouldn't even notice that a trailer was there. We went through hills, heavy downpours of rain and rush hour traffic. We drove in 2 wheel drive, except during rain, then was in all wheel drive.

    After some of the comments about gas guage we made sure to fill up when between 1/4 and 1/2. In Oklahoma in the middle of the night not all stations are open on the turnpike.

    So 21 hours and 1000 miles later, wouldn't trade my Envoy for anything else. The 410 gears and load leveler made all the difference. I don't recommend driving 21 hours with no sleep. But if I had to do it again, I wouldn't worry about whether or not the Envoy could handle it.

    Needless to say, we're pretty sure the Neon is totaled. But the kids are fine and that's all that matters! The kids are happy to be home, but are not happy that mom said that they owe me a wash job on the Envoy. It needs to have a few bugs cleaned off.
  • couimetcouimet Posts: 130
    I read a review of the Envoy recently where the lead designer of the I6 was quoted as saying an additional 30hp can be had simply by adding dual exhaust.

    Has anyone heard what GM's plans might be on this in the Envoy or the talked about 7 passenger stretch version?
  • rpageaurpageau Posts: 94
    I got the black ones shown in the brochure. If that is what you want, just make sure you specifically state you want the OEM boards.
  • envoyelroyenvoyelroy Posts: 11
    Howdy, I actually bought my Envoy from that dealer because of that ad. I wasn't eligible for the $1000, so I paid $272 above invoice, a deal I was happy with. The sales manager did ask me if I had ever at anytime in my life owned an Olds so I could get the $1000 coupon, at least he tried. What the sales manager also did was dealer trade to get the color I wanted (Pewter) and honored the advertised price, the advertised model is white. As a side note, the sales person did not know ANYTHING about the Envoy at all. In fact he thought the Bravada was the same thing. While the ad was somewhat deceiving, I have learned to look for and expect that sort of thing especially in the Orlando Sentinel ads. Honestly, I was surprised I got the price I did. See ya on the roads.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I would think some kind of incentive, either in rebate or low APR financing will be coming on the bravada. My dealer has five on the lot that have been sitting and i have only seen two on the road where i live.
  • syssklsysskl Posts: 1
    When will they have the 3rd row seating available like the 2002 Explorer.
  • jack51pinejack51pine Posts: 18
    The following link states that the extended wheelbase versions of the TB/Envoy with a third row of seating will begin regular production during the first couple months of 2002.


    http://detnews.com/2001/autos/0106/10/autos-234113.htm

  • riskaker11riskaker11 Posts: 39
    Here's a link to a spy shot of the extended version.


    http://www.thecarconnection.com/

  • This board is really helpful to me.I wanted to purchase a GMC Envoy SLE. I feel paranoid about the recall though. Can someone tell me how can i decipher manufacture dates and what dates should i be loooking for.
  • lns1lns1 Posts: 6
    I live in NJ where a front license plate is required. The bracket that came on my 2002 Envoy has no mounting hardware and the license plate just slides into the slot with no positive fastening mechanism. I'm not so crazy about the flimsy rubber darts that GM used to fasten the bracket to the bumper either--they are so lose that they could be pulled off in a car wash. I suppose I could drive screws into it but they would go right through the bracket and into the bumper. Has anyone figured out a better way? Did anyone get a better one with their Envoy?

    Regarding the sun visor, anyone who's owned an Explorer knows about the great 2-way sun visor they had. It extends at a 90 degree angle to cover both the front and side windows. Has anyone seen anything similar available after market?

    Thanks to all--this board has answered more questions than my owners manual!
  • earlcearlc Posts: 34
    I have a pewter 2002 Trailblazer. I love the color but people who have not seen it yet ask "What color is pewter?" I don't have an answer. Do any of you?
  • aleasealease Posts: 22
    I would consider the color "pewter" silver. I have one ordered and from what I have heard it is supposed to look clean longer, which I need.
  • jmnjn01jmnjn01 Posts: 2
    My wife and I just recently test drove the Envoy. As expected we enjoyed driving it very much. Since then i have been researching as to what is available in the options and so forth. We have decided to go with the SLT 2wd w/ the pro towing, and mnrf and running boards. We have been able to find Envoys with all these options. The only thing we have not been able to find is one with Blue ext and Tan lthr int. Has anyone seen an envoy with tan lthr int, or has one? I have searched most of the dealers inventories through GM buypower and no dealer in the SO. Cal area has one...Is it even available yet? I know it is offered in the brochure. Thanks
  • jmnjn01jmnjn01 Posts: 2
    Does anyone know what the GMS discount is on the Envoy?
  • jack51pinejack51pine Posts: 18
    I read that tan (oak) interiors were not available for order until 5/31. I've not seen any Trailblazers/Envoys/Bravadas with tan interiors yet.
  • rpageaurpageau Posts: 94
    The GMS price and the GM Suppliers Discount are two different things. The formula for calculating the GMS price was posted earlier on this board. Add 4% to that number to get the GM Supplier price.
  • fdefulviofdefulvio Posts: 47
    The GMS supplier price which is GMS + 4% works out to within $100 of the invoice price. I got a quote last week and was shown the pricing sheet. I was looking at an Envoy SLT with sunroof and Bose stereo. The MSRP was a little over $36,000 with and invoice price of around $33,000. The GMS price was something like $31,700. My supplier price was very close to the $33,000 invoice price. I talked directly with the General Manager, who was actually very pleasant about the deal.
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