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2012 Honda Civic

thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
The new 2012 Civic has been seen without much camoflauge. Let's discuss it here!

-TheGraduate
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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    To me, the Civic too closely resembles a 2002 Camry from the rear. It's awfully conservative in a time when the bold vehicles from Ford, Chevrolet, and Hyundai are making the big news.

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Conservative, yes, but I'd rather have that than yet another bizzaro-world Honda styling exercise. And the lines are not that much different than the new Elantra's, except the Elantra has the gargantuan headlamps and the character bulge on the sides. Compared to the likes of the new Cruze, it's almost "racy". I assume the ugly grille is a cover-up.
  • The car in pictures isn't a new Civic. It is an all new 2011 Honda City, which is a popular car sold mostly in Aisa and Middle East. The new City is a little smaller than Civic, but bigger than Fit. So, it is a good car for some one who wants something between Fit anc Civic. I see a green button looks like a ECON button on the left side of the steering wheel in the 3rd picture. Honda may be testing City Hybrid. I wonder what 9th gen Civic will look like.
  • I think the possibility exists that since Honda abruptly halted/changed the design of the 2012 Civic due to changing fuel efficiency standards (which was supposed to increase in size) after much work had already went into the redesign - the possibility exists that Honda will bring this model to the USA and re-badge it as the Civic.
  • I hope you are wrong about this, accordguy0325. I'll be very disappointed if they re-badge City as Civic in the US.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    edited December 2010
    Anyone knows what improvements are coming to the 2012 model?

    Will the car be quieter? (the cruze is extremely quiet). Will the ride be a little softer (it's way too firm to my tastes, making sure I feel every single bump or pothole firmly..)

    Also, will some features - now available in upper models only - finally come down to the mainstream trims? I bet that stability control will be standard across the line; but what about heated mirrors? exterior temperature indicator? trunk opener on key fob? bluetooth? variable wiper settings.. All these and more are currently reserved only for EX trim, some only on EX-L (highest trim!). They should all be standard or available in lower trims as well. like Hyundai and others are doing. Leave sunroof and navigation etc. as options for higher trims.

    I would like to finally see a remote starter. Why doesn't Honda offer it, even as an option? That should become the new standard! I would also like more storage bins all over the car, but covered!! The current generation Civic has many storage cubbies, but all are OPEN TO THE PUBLIC! Anyone looking into the car could easily see everything! The Corolla is much better in that regard.

    I'd love to see a better sounding stereo, a larger LCD for the stereo with more info, lighted controls for all power windows and door lock switches, as well as ignition key ring. Also a light in the glove box(es). And please, when I open the front doors, the "front overhead lamps" should come on, not the rear ones! Very un-intuitive.

    I also need a better inside door handle (CR-V is nice), and a TPMS that indicates which tire is at fault. Also the service-minder starts to bug you every time you need service way too soon, 15% remaining is too soon to terrorize me every single time I start my car. The current sun-visors are very cheap plastic, they need improvement, and enlarge them! Or at least offer a sliding extension.

    Anyone is welcome to add their own welcomed improvements.....
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    Well its looks like Honda's ugly direction is still commencing that way. Seems to be a move in the wrong direction with this civic compared to the current one. What a shame!
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    edited December 2010
    Some more improvements which I would like to see in the new 2012:

    * Better, stronger brakes, with stronger brake feel.
    * Turning circle. The current one have a very wide.
    * Fuel economy, while not bad, trails the newer competitions.
    * Brighter headlamps + fog lamps (at least optional).
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    There is a new Civic concept at the show. Pretty similar to the current one.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Hi Grad. Hope you are well. We have all seen the Civic and I like the Coupe. The question is what are the drivetrains? I vote for 2.0 gasser in the sedan and an SI tune 2.4 in the Si coupe. 6 speed auto would be nice. We'll all have to wait 1 more generation for really interesting technology. .02.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,822
    I like the 2012 actually...it's not as radical as the Elantra but it's a more refined look from the current generation...a nice progression if you will. Some felt the current generation went a bit too far, I personally love my '06 LX, this new one doesn't push the envelope as much. A nice design, just a bit more grown up...looks a bit more substantial also. I think it will hold up well with time. Hopefully, it'll at least match the Elantra in mpg's...this seems to be the trend, around 40 highway miles & 34 city...definitely a good thing as the price of petrol goes up. :)

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf SE (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    It looks fine, especially the coupe (although I thought the old coupe looked just fine). Not great, nothing extraordinary, but not offensive. For some reason the rear of the sedan screams "Daewoo" to me... not sure why.

    The interior at first glance looks cheaper / decontented compared to the current Civic. But that is just a first impression, one that might be blasted away on close inspection. At least, the interior doesn't seem to me to match best in class, i.e. Cruze, Focus, and Elantra.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,822
    Don't like the interior of the Focus, or any Ford for that matter. The one Ford product we had was total garbage, never made it home & had to be towed back to the dealer...they had it for two days. Luckily, the two Lincoln Continentals were a bit better but vowed to never buy a Ford product again. Never realized that Ford owned a piece of Mazda until after we bought one but give the credit to Mazda for how good it is.

    The only Chevy we owned was a Corvette which speaks for itself. The Cruze looks to be a nice car & all but think we'll wait for the Verano to appear before we test drive. The Elantra is already my #1 choice in this segment to date. I'd give it a 50/50 shot as being our next ride unless the wife moves upmarket a bit.

    Still like the new Civic & would be very happy if she'd buy one for herself. I will have to wait till I drive one till I make a final judgment at this point. Think I'll try the Focus myself just to see but I'm not expecting much.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf SE (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Have you seen the interior of the 2012 Focus? Huge improvement over the old Focus.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 855
    .....so I plan to view the 2012 Honda Civic.

    Altho' my efficient/swift Accord 6M remains respected, IMHO the time to look for a car is when you really don't need one.

    What have we got:

    ...the TSX 4-cyl with 6M

    ..500 pounds off the TSX weight

    ..TSX numbers are 7 flat/15.4 (to 60/QM)

    Ergo, the 9th Gen Civic (Si) won't be a fast as my current car (but it will be more fuel efficient)

    And that's not a bad thing these days..............

    It's all good.

    ez....
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,822
    No we haven't yet as it's still to early...after tax season she'll have time. And doubt we'd ever buy a Ford in the 1st place. Personal reasons that's all...just certain companies we just won't give our $ to. Personal preference that we all share. Hear they've come a long way though.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf SE (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    "Sandman", just a side note... it's time to take your head out of the "sand" and face reality... Todyas Ford's and Chevy's are not the same as the one you used to have. They're now much more improved, refined, and reliable. They're matching, if not surpassing, most of their competitors. Some reviews say that the new 2012 Focus handles better than the Civic (I don't know about the new Civic, but now comparing to 2011), plus it is much quieter and has smoother ride, which the Civic lacks.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,822
    edited March 2011
    1st of all, sir, I think you are basing things like "much quieter & smoother ride" on either what you've read or on a test drive. I always take what I read with a grain of salt because someone usually gets paid to write a puff article that has to be favorable to where the $ is coming from. And your opinion is just that, "your opinion" which to me has validity to you & not me.

    Secondly, the last GM product we drove was inferior to what we were swapped into less than two hours later. Sure, a rental isn't the best gauge about how far or not GM has come but that's my base right now. We have also tested a couple of Ford products when my m-i-l needed a new car. We just don't like Ford...period.

    Thirdly, the remark about "your head in the sand & reality"...cute, sophmoric, but cute & since I have no clue who you are, and if remarks like that float your boat dude... go knock yourself out! I like to discuss things like an adult personally and when someone starts off a conversation in that manner, I'm gone, as I know that any shape or form of an intelligent & fun conversation ain't gonna happen. So I just move on. Which is what I've done now.

    The great thing about forums on the internet like this one is that once a person has lost all credibility with me, I just ignore them & skip over any future posts, anything else justs gets tedious & a waste of my time. Later dude! :)

    I am,

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf SE (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    edited March 2011
    OMG, please forgive me, I never meant anything, it just struck me your name "sandman" and I tried to make a joke out of it, that's all. I am sorry if you feel offended.

    I just pointed you out some reality that your post seemed to ignore. I drove myself many newer models from Detroit, and I really think they are great, even though I have my Civic which I love (for the most part, I must admit the ride is too firm for me, and noise is horrible, but love the handling and steering).

    Besides, not all writers (if any) get paid about what to write. One of the major car magazines titled the upcoming new Focus as the "new Civic" and the Hyundai Elantra as the "new Corolla", and the the Cruze somewhere in between. And they're the same people who bashed the previous generation cars from Detroit. They're definitely doing something right and closing the gap for quality & reliability between the japanese automakers. But that's a different issue which does not belong in this discussion.

    So again I am sorry and lets keep up our "friendship"......
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,822
    Funny, just got my Motor Trend today and am reading about the Ford Focus and I just might have to change my opinion on this car...the article makes it sound like a great car, just like the Elantra, so this is gonna be an interesting period these next many months as we choose the wife's next ride...so many good choices out there. So, after tax season, the search will begin! :)

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf SE (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • hammer26hammer26 Posts: 1
    Just thought some may want to see the gallery of civic photos prior to the unveiling by honda. Enjoy

    http://9thcivic.com/forum/threads/largest-photo-collection-of-2012-civics.455/
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Great pics! The last one, of the window sticker on the LX sedan, is the most interesting to me. LX automatic sedan is $19,400--or about $1400 more than the Elantra GLS automatic. And the Elantra has more interior room, gets better fuel economy (EPA), has more power and one more cog in the AT, has 16" wheels vs. 15", and of course a longer warranty. And the Elantra looks better to my eyes.

    But it's a Civic, so Honda will sell a lot of them.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,445
    Sigh. So they keep the space shuttle dashboard....
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    It looks a little less Starship Enterprise for 2012 to me. Maybe it's a few straighter lines, or maybe because I'm used to it since it was first seen in 2005. Not nearly as nice a dash as the likes of Cruze, Elantra, Focus, or Mazda3 though. It's unmistakably Honda though.

    I hope the driving experience is improved over the 2006-11 generation, otherwise I think it will be a tough sell vs. other new models (Cruze/Elantra/Focus) and the 2012 Mazda3.
  • lcw1lcw1 Posts: 35
    Test drove the EX today and I admit to being pleasantly surprised by the seat comfort , roominess and handling. The dash board is let's say different but not a deal breaker. According to the salesman the nav system comes only with the EX-L. No surprise here since Honda was never known for being flexible. The lowest price tag I saw locally for the EX is 20,300 leading one to question why the CIVIC EX instead of a more equipped Elantra with double the warranty.
    Of course it takes experts to point the difference between the 2 but the experts are in no hurry to review the CIVIC. Maybe Edmunds will soon take the lead and clarify few things.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    I think the dearth of reviews is more Honda's fault than anything. They tend to hold back on making cars available for test drives until the car is officially introduced to dealerships. Maybe that's so they have more time to clear out the old cars.
  • I stoppped by my local dealer today and they had several of the 2012 civics in stock. I was waiting to look at this car to try to decide between a few different models. The decision not to buy the civic was very quick. I have to say that the interior quality is the absolute worst that I have ever seen. The top of the door panels are made of a flat black plastic, and the bottom section is a tan or grey plastic. The plastic is so thin, that it flexes to the touch. The carpet is not carpet, it appears to be the insulation that you would find under the carpet in most cars. The dash is pieced together from many pieces of very cheap plastic. The only soft touch on the dash or doors was where your elbo rests, and that even looked like an after thought. With so many compacts upping :( the interiors so much lately, I honestly cannot believe that Honda is trying to sell this car. The drivetrain may be fine, but I don't even care to drive it. I have been waiting a long time time to see this car, and I am very disgusted to finally see it. Honda will fall behind quickly if this continues.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    OMG. It's worse than I feared.

    I had a 1988 Civic LX that was one of my favorite cars of all time. One thing I liked about it, aside from the slick shifter, was that I thought the interior materials were very high quality for the price point. The cloth was rich-feeling and durable. The plastic was mostly padded, strong, and high quality. The rear seat had two adjustable head rests--a rarity for the class in 1988. I cried a bit when I traded it in 3 years later on my first minivan (2nd child on the way).

    I also owned a 1985 Civic S, two-tone grey/silver, that I loved. Had that for nearly 8 years. A car far ahead of its time in design.

    The downward spiral of the Civic has been a sad thing to watch.
  • Got a quote for a 2012 Civic LX with auto today for $19000.00 plus tax, title in Gurnee, IL .

    Is It a good Deal?

    Please advise.
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