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2012 Honda Civic

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Tell them it needs to be no more than $18k or you'll buy an Elantra, see what they say. ;)
  • motorcity6motorcity6 Posts: 427
    Honda in the long term is the better buy if nothing more than a great resale value..The Korean offering is nothing without the long term warranty...Never owned either one, however history is with Honda..
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    I didn't say "buy an Elantra"... I said tell the Honda salesperson, come down in price closer to that of the Elantra.

    Unfortunately, it appears history is the only thing Honda has going for it right now... with the new Civic anyway. :sick:
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,810
    "Never owned one"...so your opinion has no merit! We have both and they are great cars for their price points...and we'd have no problem buying either brand again! But I speak from real world experience...you speak from what...? Always find it amusing when folks come into Edmunds and pontificate on things they have no first hand knowledge of but keep spewing "their opinions" and these are based on what? Guess everyone has the right to say whatever they want but with nothing to back it up with, it's all just blah, blah, blah with no credibility!

    Guess Forest Gump was right! :)

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife)/2015 Golf SE (me)/2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1)/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • lcw1lcw1 Posts: 35
    Easy does it. There is no way this article can be viewed as objective. These are new cars and aside from the looks you can't predict their performance .
    Besides, looks are subjective. I test drove the Elantra and the Civic but the test drive did not persuade me to choose one over the other. One can point out that the Honda is more expensive but it also comes with a spare tire and a remote key for the trunk not found in the Elantra. The name Honda is also more reassuring and for some that's priceless.
    I decided to wait till next year to see which car holds up best. Maybe by then all the kinks are worked out and the cream rises to the top.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    I believe the Elantra has a spare tire (although it probably is the compact spare as is the Civic's). As for a "remote trunk key" I assume you mean a remote trunk release on the key fob? If so, well yes, the Civic does have a remote trunk release on the fob BUT, if I am not mistaken only the top line EX and above models have that feature. That was the case in 2006 when we bought ours (EX sedan) and having just looked at the Honda site I think it still is. Further, I would be most suprised if the Elantra didn't have it as well....just checked and both models have it. Yes the Civic is more expensive but has virtually nothing the Elantra doesn't except maybe the Honda name. Finally, why do you have to wait a year to see how they will hold up? The Civic is a barely refreshed 2006-2010 so there is a history (not all good) and the Elantra is all new but has a great history going back at least 10 years or more. Top picks in most comparison tests including Consumer Reports.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    The 2011 Elantra does not have a spare tire, but a pump and can of sealant. There's room under the trunk for a spare, but it would have to be purchased.
  • lcw1lcw1 Posts: 35
    Well you make some valid points but:

    ' The Civic is a barely refreshed 2006-2010 so there is a history (not all good) '

    Over one million Civics are still on the road and they didn't sell because they are cheap. Maybe they had few issues over the years but those issues did not stop one million people from buying one.

    The new civic has quite few changes over the old one. It is lighter, smaller on the outside but bigger in the inside, gives better gas mileage and is less noisy at least when new.

    'the Elantra is all new but has a great history '

    'All new' can't have great history
    I am not bashing the new Elantra but I feel better if I wait one year to make a judgment.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Waiting a year on new models has a number of advantages. Not only can you see how they shake out, but prices tend to be higher when a new design is introduced (that is certainly true of the new Elantra). And in a year, you'll have even more choices, e.g. likely a new Sentra, an updated Mazda3 with reportedly higher fuel economy, and down a little in size, the new Versa, Accent, and Rio. And maybe others.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    edited April 2011
    No, the 2012 Civic IS a refreshed 2006-11 model in that is has the exact same drivetrain (engine and transmission, a 5 speed auto. at that as others such as the Elantra have moved on to a 6 speed) as the prior generation. Many of the body panels were revised somewhat as were the grill and headlights. Same with the rear tailights and bumper. The interior was refreshed as well with an evolution of the radical dash/instrumentation introduced in 2006. Without looking I'd bet the interior/trunk space is the same, or slightly increased, as the previous generation as well. As far as the comment "a few issues over the years" you may not know about THE major potential issue (among several others )but I do because I own a 2006 EX sedan and have received the recalls and extended warranty information. What am I talking about? Well, it seems certain 2006, 2007, and even 2008 Civics experienced cracked engine blocks that required an engine replacement @ around $4500-5000. Early on before Honda was forced to acknowledge this fault, which by the way resulted from a casting flaw or engineering screw-up, owners were forced to pay out of pocket for an engine replacement, or depending on the dealership at least a portion of it. Finally, after this problem started to show up with more regularity on more than one model year Honda started to take notice. So, after 3 model years and 5 years after the 2006's were released I got an "extended" engine warranty in the mail late last year (2010). This among various other issues I have had and other potential issues I have been told to take the car in to have checked. Nope, I believe the Honda name is running on fumes. Just my opinion as a first (and last) time owner.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    After further research I have determined that the 2012 Civic interior appears to be significantly larger in several key dimensions (compared to the 06-10) as is the trunk. The passenger volume is larger at 94.6 (cu. ft.) verses 83. something for the 06-10 models. However the Elantra still has a larger passenger volume but not by much @ 95.6 cu. ft. BUT the cargo volume (trunk) is much larger @ 14.8 cu. ft. verses 12.5 cu. ft. so if I spoke out of a lack of research this should correct any mis-statements I made about the 12 Civic not having increased interior/trunk space
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    While you're making corrections, note that the 2012 Civic's powertrain can't be exactly like 2006-11, or the FE numbers wouldn't be any better than for 2011. But they are. So Honda must have tweaked the powertrain for 2012 even if the engine size, HP, and number of cogs in the tranny are the same.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    edited April 2011
    OK, going back to the Honda site I have found that it is the same size (1.8 liter), has the same horsepower (140) and torque (128 lb-ft) the same configuration (SOHC i-VTEC) BUT the site states it has "many friction reducing and airflow improvements" so maybe not totally the same but...close enough! Honda credits improvements in fuel economy to "Weight-saving technologies, improved aerodynamics and engine modifications result in a new Civic with some impressive new EPA ratings" In any case I'd bet it drives the same as mine as far as engine performance so in my book that make it the same.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    edited April 2011
    Since I pushed the retirement button last year I have no "skin in the game" so please don't jump back at me for being a Honda person.

    Today I was in my old store having my oil changed and one of my buddies handed me the keys to a 2012 Civic LX and said " let's go!"

    And so we did. I didn't see any of the cheapness someone mentioned about the interior. It looked just fine to me.

    The first thing I noticed was the fact that finally they have taken great strides in getting rid of the road noise that Hondas have always been critized for. A remarkable change. They car was also much stiffer. It felt more like an Accord than a Civic.

    The engine had more pep and around corners, it seemed even more nimble than before.

    Looking at the car from the side it looked about the same as the 2006-2011's but the front and rear looked better...I know...my opinion.

    I'm the first to admit that Hyundai has made great strides. They are still, however, Korean cars that carry the Korean stigma. This may go away someday but as used cars, they do not sell well either on the lot or in the auctions. I realize this could change in the future but for the time being it is what it is. Dismal resale value compared to Honda or Toyota.

    They have a longer powertrain warranty which in my book is no big deal. They were forced to go to that given the problematic cars they initially brought to market. It is doubtful anyone would need that warranty on any modern car. Sound good though, and that's the flag they wave.

    I think Honda should simply raise their prices a bit and match that warranty since some "warranty people" no doubt buy cars simply because of that.

    All in all, nothing earthshaking, just some nice refinement on what was already a great car!
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,810
    Have you driven the new 2012 model? So if not, you are making a big assumption here. Isell did drive the car and he tells a different story. So I'll believe him over you since he actually drove one. Now if you have indeed driven one, that's a whole different story.

    And my '06 with just over 31k miles drives just like it did when I drove it off the lot...still a great car which will be around for a long time I hope! :)

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    You are clearly still a "Honda" person who is living in the past. Wake up. There is no longer a "stigma" in buying a Korean car... except maybe in your mind and in the minds of your buddies at the Honda store. Have you noticed that the new Hyundais are selling for near MSRP these days? How does that equate with stigma? How does that equate with low resale value? What has hurt resale values in the past are the low selling prices. Selling prices are up. Resale values are up. Check out ALG residuals for the newer Hyundais. Not "dismal compared to Honda or Toyota". It's the Toyotas that are selling at big discounts now, not Hyundais.

    If Hondas are as good as you say they are, they wouldn't have to raise their prices to offer a 10-year powertrain warranty, because it would never be used. Right?

    I am glad to see the new Civic is an improvement over the old one. Will have to check it out when test-drive time comes for the next round of car buying. But at $19.4k, the Civic LX will have to be pretty darn good.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    No, I have not driven one yet but since the engine has the exact same specifications as mine I wouldn't expect it to perform differently, or at least by "seat of the pants" feel. I admit it may be a tenth of a second quicker to 30-50-60 or whatever but that would be unnoticeable to most, me included. But if you want to get technical I'll reserve judgement until I drive one.
  • temj12temj12 Posts: 450
    I had a 2006 Civic and I currently have a 2005 Accord. The Civic had a misdesigned rear suspension and that had to be replaced at 65000 miles. Honda agreed to pay half of that. My 2006 was a coupe, which I thought was a nice looking car. I sold it and kept the Accord. I did not like the 2006-2011 four door design. I hate the look of the 2012 four door. I have not seen the coupe. For some reason, I do not find them on the lot. Honda has real problems with design. Outside of the 2006-2011 coupe, I have not liked any of the designs on the Accord or Civic. However, what they do have is quality. At least, that has been true on the Accord. The 2008-2012 Accord design is pathetic. I don't know why Honda has such sorry designs. Please understand that this post is coming from a Honda fan.
  • """The 2008-2012 Accord design is pathetic"""

    I beg your pardon ? To start with, your comment regarding Accord design is in the wrong room as this is for Civic discussion. Secondly, as someone who is now on his third Accord coupe of this generation (that's right- 3rd) I personally find the design quite pleasing, as do likely the other 400,000 or so consumers who purchase the Accord in the United States every single year.
  • temj12temj12 Posts: 450
    I beg your pardon, but I stand by what I said. By the way, what difference does it make if I mentioned the Accord in this chat room. If you like the design of the Civic and the Accord, you need to go to work for Honda. You would fit right in.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,913
    Why is this such a big deal? People's opinions about styling are bound to differ. I love my car, and realize that others will hate it. Thank goodness there's a variety of vehicles available to suit everyone's tastes.

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  • I got my 2012 Honda Civic LX 2 days ago. It got 5 miles on it and the dealer received it just 4 days ago. I am very happy with it even though it costs around $3,000 more than the 2011 LX. I did not buy any extended warranty. Why?Coz it's a Honda! And when the time comes that I want to trade it in for a new car, I am confident that I will get high resale value. Why? Coz it's a Honda! lol.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    edited April 2011
    I'm sorry but I watched the Korean cars do poorly at the auctions and as used cars (for us, anyway) they were never easy to sell.

    Because of this, I think a two or three year old Hyundai could be a great value.

    Since they are so close in price to a Honda, I just can't see why anyone would buy one. Of course, that is only my opinion.

    Granted, they have, indeed come a LONG way. Given their dismal initial offerings they had to. I give them credit for being able to survive when the odds were against them.

    I don't need to "wake up" I am simply stating the reality of today's marketplace. If the improvements continue I may very well change my mind.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    I think you are stating the reality of yesterday's marketplace. But that's only my opinion. ;)

    In yesterday's marketplace, the Civic was at the top of the heap in the compact field. Not in today's marketplace however. Maybe the 2012 Civic will pull it back up. But it's a tough, tough field these days.
  • accordguy0325accordguy0325 Posts: 169
    edited April 2011
    """If you like the design of the Civic and the Accord, you need to go to work for Honda. You would fit right in."""

    So by your logic you should be working for Hyundai, as others here, and I suspect you have a fondness for the upcoming Korean brand and feel the need to express said opinion in the HONDA CIVIC 2012 ROOM. Peace and love to you :shades:
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    Well, no, I am talking about TODAY'S market but I also realize that TOMORROW'S marketplace may very well change.

    People have short memories.

    And you are spot on with your "tough, tough field" these days. So many cars to pick from and none of them "bad".

    Personally, I think the latest offerings from Ford will be much more of a threat to Honda. They REALLY got their act together!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    Your comments are strictly subjective.

    The designs that you call "pathetic" or "sorry" are loved by the masses.

    I suppose this is why restaurants have menus.
  • rustumrustum Posts: 100
    Any idea why 2012 Civic crash scores are low.
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