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2012 Honda Civic

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,636
    Isell, felt the same way as you did about buying a Korean car but after having had one in the family for close to to three years now, I'd buy another tomorrow without hesitation...and we probably will! But. we'd buy another of any of the four different brands that we now own again...maybe not the Honda though! It's gonna be a fun experience though!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    edited September 2011
    See, I personal don't care much about looks, as long it's not ugly (like, sorry, the 2011 Honda Odyssey), and I don't need the Civic to be "fresh", the way it looks today is fine for me, although the interior is rather where it could really use a boost and improvement IMO, especially compared to the newer runners.

    But, I recently drove the Hyundai Sonata (not the Elantra, yet), it's not bad at all, but after driving my Civic for the past few years, I would have never considered to change it for a Sonata. The driving experience is much more of an important factor to me than pretty looks, but then again, some features I do need and appreciate them. Again, I am not asking here for heated rear seats, and not demanding overly complicated touch screens as recent Fords with Sync systems. I actually do appreciate the simplicity of the Civic's controls, in oppose to other Honda's that are being criticized for button cluttered dash.

    Once again I state my opinion, if Honda want to succeed, I recommend survey your customers, and listen to what they ask for! Easiest, cheapest way to do some good research.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,629
    I don't care much about looks either and given today's safety standards, it's difficult to make very many styling changes.

    And I don't care much anyway. It's a CAR and not an expression of myself.

    I believe Honda will continue as the market leader but they better be aware of the competition that has emerged recently.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    I believe Honda will continue as the market leader...

    Which market does Honda lead? Not the USA market.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,629
    What outsells Civics in that class of cars?
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,636
    I've got a good feeling that in the next few years, the Elantra may just take over that crown from the Civic...from the reviews I've read, the car is just that good! And once they get their supply problems under control, things are gonna change. Probably Hyundai's biggest problems with the Elantra right now is that the demand far outweighs the supply, so many folks can't just drive one off the lot. This pent up demand will eventually equalize once the supply catches up and then there should be plenty of all models for buyers to have a choice. Honda should be very worried actually...they are no longer the benchmark they once always were.

    A shame that they didn't do more with the 2012 model to get the buzz the Elantra is getting. I know I was very impressed just sitting in the showroom in one...if things were different, I'd of bought one then and there!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    YTD, both the Cruze and Corolla have outsold the Civic.

    Anyway, you didn't say "Civic". You said "Honda".
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,629
    Part of that reason is because they sell them to the rental car companies en masse with is something Honda has never done.

    Also, the Japan earthquake REALLY hurt production. Honda is struggling to provide inventory right now and they are still far behind.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Toyota is based in Japan also.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,636
    I've finally come to the conclusion that there can be problems with every make and model of car...no car or company is immune from some sort of problem. The way the car company handles the "problem" is what really matters. Just because sometimes the resolution is not what the consumer would like doesn't make the whole company & every one of their products inherently bad...some common sense on both sides needs to be used here! I've had three warranty issues with my '06 Civic over the years and sure, it's a p i a to get it resolved sometimes, but it doesn't make the whole car/company bad. With any mechanical thing made up of thousands of parts, put together by people & machines, the parts coming from different sources over time, some problems are bound to happen. I'm going through a a/c compressor issue right now that makes the car blow out warmish air is very annoying, especially with the low mileage on the car. But I'm not going to trash the whole Honda lineup and all Civics as being a horrible car, that is just sort of silly actually. I don't know exactly how Honda will handle the problem yet so to jump off the handle with silly remarks doesn't make much sense. No matter what happens, the Civic is still a fine car and the numbers speak volumes about it.

    I tend to be somewhat on the logical side and look at life as 1/2 full even though these past 6 or so years have been pretty bad for our family & myself. But I tend to look for the good in things so I'm not gonna stress about this situation yet. In the scheme of things, there are so many more things to stress about in life. Being negative takes a lot of wasted energy which can be used for other positive things. So sure, I'm annoyed that I might have to spend a large amount of $ to fix the problem, but if Honda decides to help out with some of it will be a happy bonus. And if not, I still have to fix the a/c especially living in South Florida. Such is life! :)

    I am,

    The Sandman :( :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,629
    Exactly!

    I applaud your outlook on life!
  • zoranzoran Posts: 68
    I have been driving a new base model and paying heck of lease. mileage on the av is around 40mpg combined. Despite people's warning of bad build quality, i took the chance:(

    This is 2nd Honda Civic of the family and 4th Honda. We own a 2010civic Si sedan and thought it was redemption getting a hybrid now.

    Lets cut it short, THIS CAR NOR ANY CIVIC Has central console around CD, SET UP< phone, etc, no BACK LIGHT:( lol, that is preposterously unacceptable and simply dangerous and criminal, esp while driving at night time.

    How Honda could do that? I think they are up for total dissolution the way they have been going with their cars, an arrogant, big [non-permissible content removed] hole company:(

    Honestly if I would have picked on that and known would never buy it:(

    Imho, Honda should issue voluntary RECALL and fix this flaw for every one.

    In the mean time can some one advise me from where to start the complaint, calls, letters, e mails in Honda motor company Hierarchy as I am not leaving this alone this is simply UNACCEPTABLE!
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,636
    What are you talking about? Your post is a bit confusing so please explain it a bit more so we can understand what your gripe is? The 3rd paragraph is particularly confusing! I am,

    The Confused Sandman :confuse: :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • zoranzoran Posts: 68
    I am unhappy and sad too:( I called up American honda and told them my concerns and their possible safety implications, requesting to recall and fix it for all civics(2012).

    **PS: 2012 Honda civic 4dr sedan( I have a hybrid) does not have a backlit central console around the CD area, above the AC and Fan display so at night you cant see any buttons, and CD slot.( Radio, CD, Phone, Set up). This can be very highly potentially distracting and can cause accidents or be safety hazard.

    I was seeking advise from readers that what is the best approach to raise questions or approach for your potential safety concerns? American Honda only or is there a TRAFFIC safety agency too?

    Thanks.

    I hope I made my self clear this time. I apologize for confusing writing. :mad:
  • Biggest problem with Elantra is it is not coming close to the EPA "estimate" MPG (check out their Edmunds board). Owners are complaining they cannot achieve 35mpg on highway, let alone the 40mpg.

    While Civic owners routinely see 40mpg on highway (I can get 45-50mpg highway, as long as the road is fairly straight and clear).
  • Honda Civic and Accord had inventory problems (particuarly the LX trims) due to the computers supplied from Japan. Corolla did not have supply issues.

    Both Toyota and Honda actually assemble the cars in North America (Honda's Indiana plant was voted top 3 in the world). But the computers for Accord, Civic and the Prius come from Japan. Corolla I don't think has had any supply problems (their compuer sux, probably made in China), and probably has had the complete opposite in over supply.

    You can confirm with a Toyota dealer, they have been discounting the Corolla through Costco all summer. They were offering me over $2k off in July. At the same time I couldn't find any Civic LX or Prius's back then. They would sell same day they hit the lot.
  • Time to replace my 1997 Accord LX. Considering the Civic for fuel eco but hate to loose the handling of the double-wishbone in my Accord. Understand Honda changed to McPherson strut on the Civic many years ago to save cost. Did the handling suffer by the switch? Also, is there any alignment problem with the Civic McPherson. I had dread experience with 80's Toyota McPherson for tire wore out unevenly. I had to do alignment every 30K miles. On the Accord, I have not done once and never had uneven tire wear problem. I really hate to give up this feature.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    They promised a redesigned '14 Civic in beginning of 2013, ahead of schedule.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,636
    Honda simply blew it with the 2012 Civic...calling it ugly is being too kind! It needs a complete redo from inside out...not just what they did to the Accord from model year 2005 to 2006...but a complete redo. If the new Sentra & Corolla is as nice as the Elantra, Honda will really be up a creek in this segment. So far, I've seen about 5 2012 Civic's out there on the streets...it is not selling well. And to go back down to 15" wheels for the mid level LX was just plain stupid...go back to the 16" wheels and call it a day.

    If Honda is as smart a company as I know they are, this shouldn't be to difficult for them to accomplish. Take a look at the Elantra interior and use that as a guide...it's very driver oriented. As a Civic owner, I wish them luck in fixing a truly market blunder!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Ugly? I've seen the new Civic a few times on the road and I don't think it's ugly at all. Nothing revolutionary, but then that's not Honda's way with their sedans.

    Now the dashboard... that could use some improvement, IMO. If Honda spends any money on a near-term upgrade, that's where I think they should put it. And maybe bring back the precise handling feel of Civics of yore. I haven't driven the new Civic but have read several professional reviews that compare it to a Buick. And not in a flattering way.
  • sxeansxean Posts: 1
    lol a Buick ? It can't be that bad. The new Hyundai's look nice, but the styling will get dated. Honda's styling, however, is timeless. Look at yesteryears styling, and notice it still looks trendy today. I own a Honda Accord Hatchback wagon, and people still compliment it's conservative yet aerodynamic styling !
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    As I said, I don't have any problem with the exterior styling of the Civic.

    But the dash... I wouldn't use the term "timeless". I'd use the term "cheap". One thing your Honda Accord wagon has going for it was excellent interior materials quality for its class, and time. The new Civic... sorry, not in the same league as several others in its class.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,636
    Not this new generation, maybe the last one that I own but the new one...no way. By the way, Honda called today and will pay for 1/2 my recent a/c repair...great news and I told the guy thanks so much. Honda stepped up to the plate and it was the right thing to do. "If ya don't ask, ya don't get"...I asked for all & I got 1/2, still good in my eyes. I am pleased! I am,

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • I bought a 2012 Civic in October. I previously owned a 2002 Civic, which one of my kids is now driving. But when I drive the new car, it gives me backaches. I've never had back problems before. I swapped with the kid for a week and went back to driving the old car -- the back problems completely disappeared. As soon as I started driving the new car again, I had back pain again. I bought a wedge-shaped seat cushion at Wal-Mart which helps somewhat -- reduces the back pain, but the car still hurts my back. I'm already planning on trading it in as soon as I won't take a bath on it. Can anyone suggest a seat cushion that will help? Or anything else? I'm 5 feet 1 inches tall, and I think maybe that's part of the problem. Has anyone else had this problem?
  • blairlockoutblairlockout Posts: 1
    edited December 2011
    I have a 97 civic and have never had uneven tire wear.
    Oklahoma City Locksmith
  • hybrid93hatchhybrid93hatch Posts: 35
    edited December 2011
    I just read the yahoo article on the failing new Civic. It's nice to see the company is getting the recognition it deserves! When Honda was on top putting out quality automobiles the reviews & slaes showed. Now that the 2012 Civic falls on its face with reduced interior quality, recall due to fuel leaks & a dated exterior (the back end reminds me of the early 2000's Camry) it's only right they go back to the drawing board. Why would anyone buy a 2012 Civic when you can get a higher rated car in the same class for much cheaper? And the last question, why would ANYONE buy a 2012 Civic with a newly improved design Civic right around the corner?!?! I've owned 5 Honda's with my current one being an 06 Accord. I will gladly buy a Hyundai, Kia, or Toyota if Honda does not start giving more for the buck! But, at 119k the car is paid off and still running strong! If I can get 200k, it should be around 2019 when I buy again :shades:
  • robtroxelrobtroxel Posts: 103
    We are very happy with our 2009 EXL Navi Civic! Unfortunately we cannot bring ourselves to replace it with the 2012. We think Honda has really lost its way and it shows on the Civic. Totall cheap out on the interior>> by removing the little triaglular windows by the windshield. putting a divider on the front driver and passenger door windows so they can use cheaper glass!. This car is as noisy as anything I have ever ridden in. I also had this issue on the 09 but spend big dough to have sound proofing put in the doors, and floors. Even the Hyundia Elantra is better than this! No six speed auto either! We already gave up on the Accord and traded our 07 for another brand. Now we are done with the Civic! Prior to this we have had 9 Hondas. Imagine Hyundia leading the way. Who wouldaa thuink?
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,636
    Absolutely agree...there is no Honda product right now that I'd consider buying so plan to keep my current Civic for a long, long time. Have been testing new cars for the wife and so far there's not much out there to like. The Fiesta was horrible and the Focus wasn't much better...didn't like the acceleration or much else really, so we've crossed Ford off the list. The Jetta drove nicely but don't see a German car in our garage any time soon. I like the Hyundai twins, Accent & Elantra, and our kids '08 Accent has been a joy to own. She will go test drive these soon to see how she likes them. She already has a Mazda3 and I tested the new SkyActive I Touring and was very impressed. But to have a very similar car for the next 6 or so years is something to think about.

    The car I'm most excited about is the new Buick Verano, much nicer than the Cruze, found the Cruze seats rock hard and very uncomfortable. But think the Verano will hit her sweet spot and it also has the larger 4 cylinder engine that she likes. No Subies here...don't need or want all wheel drive and the Mitsu/Suzuki rides are just..., well not for us. The new Sentra or Corolla is still months away also. So we'll just have to wait and see. Did some maintenance on the Mazda3 last week so think we're good to go for another year as the bottom line here is we just don't want to buy a new car yet! As much as I love cars, just not ready to buy anything. So we'll save the money and wait. Hopefully 2013 will be the year for us. :)

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    ....a test drive of the 2012 Civic Si coupe (which looks like the little brother of my J30a4 Accord 6M coupe) was actually rather pleasant - if not as smooth as the V-6, the 4 cylinder moves out rather well per C&D magazine numbers.

    My current Honda has - speaking for me now - set the bar way up there. I am really hoping the decision makers at HMC give us a winner with the GenIX Accord.

    all the best, ez....
  • I'm replying to my own post, but I found The Seat Solution, a wedge-shaped orthopedic cushion at Bed, Bath and Beyond for $15 that makes the Civic's seat much more comfortable. While it is not pleasant to sit on a cushion and at times I still get a bit of backache, I can at least drive the car to work and back, which means I won't have to trade it in and take a bath on it.
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