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Subaru Impreza WRX

prostprost Posts: 3
edited March 19 in Subaru
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  • www.imprezawrx.com/wrx.htm

    This is the offical SOA WRX web site...

    $23,500 MSRP base price :)
  • L8_ApexL8_Apex Posts: 187
    ...for a Special Event Chat: The 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX! at 5-6pm PT/8-9pm ET.

    Chat with Mike Whelan, Senior Manager, Product Public Relations at Subaru of America, Inc. about the unveiling of the 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX! Mike will be discussing the launch of this at the Detroit Auto Show and will be here to answer all your questions about this brand new vehicle. Join us and be one of the first "in the know" as the curtain lifts to showcase this brand new surprise from Subaru... the 2002 Impreza WRX!

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  • rally1rally1 Posts: 6
    .... i cant seem to get into the WRX chat, I guess my Firewall here at work wont allow it?

    Anyway I am ready to buy the sport wagon one, wonder how much over MSRP they will be?
  • sshinsshin Posts: 10
    If you think about it, what other under $30K sports sedan out there can outperform this new Subaru?

    All-wheel drive and 227hp, expected 0-60 performance of 6.1 sec (Car and Driver). This is faster than a 330xi and Audi 2.8 Quattro, both well over $35K. Also faster than the Maxima SE, Mercedes C320, Volvo S60 T5, and Saab 9-3 Viggen. And it probably will out handle most of these sedans, Car and Driver says the rear end is tossable, fairly hard to find at this price.

    I've actually been waiting for a 4-door under $30K, with a manual, strong engine and either rear wheel or 4-wheel drive. Still deciding about the new design, but I have to see it in person. I'm test driving this car when my Subura dealer has one.
  • Sign up now. Most dealers are selling AT MSRP... In fact, Subaru of America insists that dealers DO NOT sell over MSRP. (I know someone who ordered a WRX wagon for $400 over INVOICE already!)

    The only car that MIGHT match up with the WRX is the current Type-R... (Dont know about the new RS/Integra though) But its also stripped down, more expensive, and not a sedan/wagon, not to mention FWD...

    The closest "real" compeditor to the WRX is the Audi S4... $40k none the less. :)
  • sshinsshin Posts: 10
    Really, the only sporty 4-door import sedans that can compete with the new WRX are the Maxima SE (fwd limitations, no rear independent) and Audi 1.8T (way too slow). It also will compete well against the Celica GT-S and new Integra (only 200hp and fwd).

    There are only two drawbacks I have to get over though, the new Impreza design (have to see it in person) and the fact that I've never owned a Subaru, but friends who've owned one swear by them.

    Anyone know when dealers will get them and when official pricing is to be announced?
  • sshinsshin Posts: 10
    The just announced MSRP for a 2002 WRX is $23,995!!! In many ways, this is an incredible deal, and I am now seriously considering purchasing this car...
  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    The S4 still looks a lot better to me but the value factor of the WRX Wagon will looks to be phenomenal. The WRX has not won me over yet but I'm going to keep an eye on it as I save my pennies.

    Of interest:
    -I noticed that Edmunds said the turbo lag was not that bad whereas C&D said it was pretty bad. Guess I'll have to drive it. Both agreed that the car was capable of 6sec range 0-60.
    -Over 14psi of boost! 227hp from 2L! Yikes, even with a compression ratio in the 8s I think I'll wait to see how they hold up from you guys pounding them a couple of years.

    My bold statement:
    The WRX is a muscle car for the AWD generation. I say this because it far more boy racer than GT car. What it lacks in refinement (probably -vs- the S4) and looks (in my opnion), it more than makes up for in performance. Think of it as a Trans Am Firehawk that you can drive in winter.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Grassroots Motorsports has published their test of the car. They got 0-60 in 5.7 ... 5.5 when they really beat on it.

    I agree with nematode's statement... "Think of it as a Trans Am Firehawk that you can drive in winter.
    "


    This really is a whole different car then the Audi offerings... apples and oranges. The WRX is a pretty raw car full of performance, and it doesn't pretend to be anything else. The Audis have a level of luxury and refinement that the Scooby can't even come close too, but lacks the raw energy and frantic-ness fo the WRX.

    Both good cars, just different, that's all. :-)
  • traetrae Posts: 8
    What about a sunroof. I could not find anything about this being an option or standard.
  • No sunroof... I think they didnt include it cause of weight, cost, and safty reasons... Hopefully along the line it will become an option.

    (You also get more head room without it)
  • The WRX is boosting a heavy 14psi for a such a small displacement engine. Is anyone worried about long term reliability? That is my only concern for now because everything else about the car seems perfect. I am eagerly awaiting a test drive.
  • That is my concern as well. How long can a blown engine last?

    I tend to keep cars for at least 5 years. What will it be like with about 100,000 miles 6 or 7 years down the road?
  • I had the forum on my last computer but can't seem to find the site.

    Does anyone have the link?
  • The carconnecton stated the target group grew up with the '80s pocket rockets (I had an '89 CRX Si that was a blast to drive), attracting more men than women (last time I checked...), median age of 34 (I'll be 30 in March) and enthusiasts.

    Mr. Poplife, your '02 WRX wagon is ready.

    YEEEEEHAAAAA!!!!!!
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Both the turbo 2.0 and the turbo 2.2 engines have been in use in Subarus around the world for 10 years. This is a very long lasting and solid engine.

    Most turbos, when well cared for, are good for 100k+ miles easy. A turbo rebuild can be had for around $400.

    Regular oil changes are the key to turbo longevity.
  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    I really hope the dealers teach people about how to maintin turbo engine properly. If not then Subaru could get a bad name through no fault of their own.
    Remember:
    1) Warm up the car fully before letting the turbo spool up too much.
    2) If you tear around after your warm make sure you cool down before you shut the car off. OR if you cant remember get a turbo timer.
    3) Change that oil!!! Better yet, go with synthetic AND change that oil. 14+psi of boost and having to tap the 4-5k rpm range to get it is gonna generate some kinda heat.

    I have a friend with a GSX with about 100k miles that he got with 40k or so. It was probably making 225hp with all his mods from the DSM 2 liter. He hammered that thing all the time and it ran pretty well. Recently, he started running nitrous......it died.
  • dart64dart64 Posts: 9
    I agree that at $24,000, the WRX is a great performanvce buy. It drives fast, handles great with AWD, and looks cool.
    But I do think there will be a competitor, and that will be the new Sentra SE-R. Now granted, the SE-R doesn't have AWD, and it doesn't have 227hp, but it does have nice numbers.
    The regular SE-R will have 170hp and 175lbs of torque, and the Spec V version will have 180hp coupled with a 6 speed manual. It also has a limitied slip differential, so it will be able to handle snow.
    Performance wise, it probably won't be as quick to 60, but Nissan pegged it at around 7 seconds, which is still pretty quick. And lets face it, how many people do you know that drive their car with a stopwatch every time they launch?
    And to top it all off, the SE-R will come in under $20g's. Now that's impressive.
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    that's a joke right? the WRX can easily be launched to do under 6 seconds. a lousy launch yields it low 6. It has fully independnent suspension. The sedan version has strong light aluminium control arms. All WRX comes with rear LSD. The car has 217lb-ft at 4000rpm. No torque steer when you mash the gas. For the price this car is a steal! Err...actually not quite. Yeah SOA! It's still too expensive! =)
    A simple exhaust and intake mod will have this Rex making well in excess of 260hp (my conservative estimate). That's over stock S4 territory. In UK and Aussieland, these WRXs are consistently modified to 280hp for a few hundred dollars.
  • After reading Edmunds' review, and after further research on the net, I came away very impressed with this car. I was so impressed I got a little carried away and actually "ordered" a 5 speed Sport wagon (in silver) through Subaru's web site. The dealer called today to take the order and my wife answered. She had no idea... Needless to say, I have some convincing to do. She drives a Sienna and we need (want) an all wheel drive for trips to Tahoe. She looked at an A4 last week and thought it was way too small. The WRX seems about the same size but it is so cheap... I am not worried, like others, about any Subaru engine. Subaru makes airplane (light aircraft) engines so I'm secure in Fuji's ability to engineer a small, high performance power plant. I had a 1982 GL and put many miles on it. Really, the only issue with this car is the small interior size, even for the sports wagon, maintenance requirements for the inter cooler and exterior styling. Mileage seems good, but premium is required. Does anyone know where I can locate invoice prices?
  • Anyone know if the WRX has the same interior demensions as the existing Impreza? That way, I can at least go down to the dealer and sit in one to see just how big it is. As I'm 6'3", I'm a little concerned ...
  • italstallion: My wife owns a 96 Impreza Wagon that I drive quite often. I am also 6'3" and the car is definitely tight for my dimensions. There is plenty of head room and leg room is ok if I slam the seat all the way back. I generally tilt the setback rearwards about 20 degrees from vertical to feel more comfortable when I drive. But, generally, the car feels a bit too small for me. My wife is 5'0" so she loves it. It has 90k on the odometer and not a single problem. I change the oil every 3k since it was new. I've been looking at buying a new 3 series BMW and really want the 330 but have had trouble justifying the additional $4-5k over the 325. Now I find a car that can outrun the 330 for $15k less. I don't particularly care for the aesthetics of the WRX. If I did, I might justify compromising my comfort in the little car just for the performance. If the WRX is a little larger than the current Impreza, I am definitely interested.
  • Longrider - thanks for the reply. That's one reason why I like the Lexus IS300 .... it's one of the few cars where I can actually move the car UP from its rear limit and still be comfortable.

    Anyone (perhaps outside the U.S.) on this board actually driven a WRX, and can enlighten us to the interior dimensions?
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    I think the SE-R V-spec will be a great car, but it is a completely DIFFERNT thing then the WRX. The SE-R will be an Integra/Focus-R/Civic Si/etc competitor. Fast, nimble, FWD cars.

    The WRX has more power, much higer price, a turbo, and above all... AWD. Two completely different beasts, both excellent in their respective classes though.

    :-)
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    sporin hit it right.

    the new Imprezas should be a bit larger interior wise than the current generation of Imprezas. The current gen's interior is ok for me. 5'8"... I do agree it doesn't have alot of legroom however it has alot of headroom. The rears are good enough for tiny person. Hehehe....
    We have a 330Ci at home which we just took delivery a month ago. Very roomy inside. way better than out old Ford Probe. It's the biggest car in our stable right now. Not sure if you want an auto or manual. The 330's manual is weird! I find hte clutch to be very finicky. It's like some kinda on/off switch. Maybe we're not used to it. However for the price and if you don't mind a little bit less luxury in the car, the WRX is amazing. I have no problem believing it that it could run around our 330Ci at home. Oh well....
  • sshinsshin Posts: 10
    I can't think of a single US market sedan that can compete with the WRX in this price range. The new Sentra SE-R sounds like a great car, but no front wheel drive sedan with 170hp can compete with a 4wd 227hp unless maybe there's a huge weight advantage.

    I'm also a bit worried about the roominess, I'm looking to get the new Toyota Highlander for practicality and need a second car that I can have some fun with. This WRX is perfect, it's under $25K (still a bit shocked at the low price), and with 4 doors it will probably have more room than say the new Integra (200hp fwd) or Celica (180hp fwd).

    The only car that I think will be able to compete with the WRX performance wise under $30K will be the upcoming 2003 Nissan Z, which has rear wheel drive and is offered with a V-6 at 260hp, starting hopefully under $30K. Another competitor which I test drove recently is the Mustang GT. For only $23K, you get a V-8 at 260hp, rear wheel drive and a 5 speed manual. The clutch pedal had a really high travel, but it just tears from the stoplight. But I'm a bit wary of Ford's reliability and not the biggest fan of the Mustang.

    I can't wait to test drive the WRX in mid-March. I really don't know anyone personally who's driven a WRX, I guess up until now, all WRX have had the steering wheel on the right side and were only available in Japan, England, etc...
  • I've sent an advance order to my local dealer through the WRX web site. Has anyone actually been able to verify the MSRP for a five-speed sedan? How about pricing on options such as the short shifter and gauge cluster? An S4 has been an unattainable dream for me, but I just might be able to justify the stretch for a WRX -- if the dealers don't gouge! Any comments from current Subie owners out there on whether a leggy, 6'5" driver will fit into a WRX?
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    6'5" is pretty darn tall. Are you mostly legs? Cus as I've posted earlier the current gen Imprezas have short legroom. =(
  • At lunch, I trucked down to the Subaru dealer and checked out the interior space on the current Impreza. My 6'3" frame fit more comfortably than I thought it would. Plenty of headroom, and legroom was sufficient. If the WRX has anymore legroom than that, whatsoever, it will be a comfortable fit.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    The new Impreza body is supposed to be a bit bigger so if you git in teh current one, you should be ok in the new one. Plus, there is no sunroof in the WRX, a plus for the tall.
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