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The Progression of Chrysler

steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
edited February 12 in General
After the bankruptcy, came Fiat. In the third quarter of 2101, Sales and market share are up. What's ahead in this decade?

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    Some reading material.

    "Chrysler, which today painted a vastly different financial picture from a year ago when it was just emerging from Chapter 11 bankruptcy, has demonstrated improvement in nearly every metric measured by Edmunds.com, parent of AutoObserver.com.

    Sales and market share are up; incentives are down, allowing Chrysler to get a higher price for its vehicles; and inventories are in line with sales and, in fact, are tight."

    Chrysler Demonstrates Solid Progress, Edmunds.com Data Shows

    "Chrysler's third-quarter results released this morning show vast improvement in the automaker's financial performance, prompting Fiat, which now runs Chrysler, to up its forecast for the full year.

    Chrysler still lost money on a net basis - $84 million in the third quarter - but narrowed the loss from $172 million in the second quarter. Its operating profit, increasing quarter after quarter, rose to $239 million, a $56 million improvement."

    Chrysler Narrows Losses, Increases Operating Profit, Ups Forecast (AutoObserver)

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  • but ever since Chrysler merged with Fiat and Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne decided to let Chrysler bring the 2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta over to America and sell it as a Dodge, I have been a fan of theirs. :shades:

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  • berriberri Posts: 4,268
    I think Marchionne has some good ideas, but Chrysler quality has been awful for several decades. That will be hard to turn around quickly. I wish them well, but its going to take some consistent changes before I consider them. New interiors and a new engine may help, or they may just be lipstick on a pig.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    edited November 2010
    this new 2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta. Alfa Romeo has done a great job with this new Giulietta and UK reviewers are all giving at least an 80 out of 100 for the car. Which includes a test drive, which is a necessity here. The drive and hold to the road is great and Alfa Romeo includes different "settings" for different road conditions and driving desires. It is a true enthusiast's driving sports car created just for us. I want a large part of that, even if it is going to be in Dodge form. Dodge has already stated they're not going to change the car at all except for the badge, a big plus here!

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    2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta

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    2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta interior-including the metal gearknob

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    edited November 2010
    much at all I can order a new Giulietta and drive the 735 miles north to Seattle to pick it up! No kidding! Now, when it comes time to giving me good customer service it might be unfair to the Seattle Alfa Romeo dealer I order from, true, but it's a cool discovery I made and good to know I can do this if needed. There's a good maintenance shop I've discovered here in Elko, NV, that could do the maintenance on my Giulietta if this is the route I do indeed go. It is a real possibility as I am missing Seattle quite a bit.

    I may go this route as Alfa Romeo has done a great job on this car and I don't want it screwed up by Dodge. Frankly, I don't trust the manufacturing of this car at Chrysler's Belvidere, IL, plant. I just don't. I may need to buy this in true Alfa Romeo form. A plus of this is that for close attention from a true Alfa Romeo service center I get to drive to Seattle on my time off from work! And see my family over there at the same time. Brilliant idea, iluv!

    Here's the Seattle Alfa Romeo dealer ad.

    http://www.alfaromeosales.com/research/giulietta/

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    edited November 2010
    but I can also but Alfa Romeo jeans from this Seattle Alfa Romeo car dealer.

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    Read about that right here, folks.

    http://www.alfaromeosales.com/20100501-alfa-romeo-luxury-denim-seattle/

    Hey, I found a place in Las Vegas that works on Alfa Romeo's. Cool!

    http://www.italianautoservice.com/lasvegasalfaromeo.html

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    Love ta see the cost of this Alfa Romeo and test drive one to boot

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    edited November 2010
    is what's ripe for right now.

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    Me like the 2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta in white

    I'm starting to generate strong feelings for the "buy the 2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta at a Seattle area dealer" idea. Several questions are generated by this scenario, yes. One being trade-in treatment of our 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. Another is price of the car I want to buy and another is when will the car hit the Seattle dealer. I have begun the process of contacting the Seattle Alfa Romeo dealer already so, knowing how most new car dealers work, the answers should start coming in very, very soon to me.

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  • Chrysler refuses to correct the in-service date (warranty start date) for my 2007 PT Cruiser. This vehicle was first titled in Feb 2008, with an odometer reading of 15 miles. This should be the start of the warranty period. Instead, Chrysler has a date 5 months earlier (Oct 2007) with an odometer reading of 123!!! miles. Can't have more miles at an earlier date-- but Chrysler customer service will not recognize the logical fallacy here. I am the second owner, but Chrysler will not correct their database without my producing the original sales document (why would I have that??) -- so they say my car is out of warranty when it is not, and will not pay for the repairs I recently required. They have created a catch-22 -- only their database is correct and I can only disprove it with documents it is impossible for me to possess! I've tried going up the chain of command within customer service, but everyone just repeats the same nonsense.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    edited November 2010
    You should have something like a bill of sale and title and those documents should show what the odometer reading was when you purchased it.

    But if you were the second owner, the date the warranty kicked in (for the time computation part of the warranty) would be when it was first titled. If you don't have the original transaction documents, I guess I'm wondering how you know the first title date was 2/2008?

    If you have a consumer protection agency where you live, why not grab your documents and see if you can get some advice from them?

    And try asking in the Got a Quick Question for a Car Dealer? discussion. We're talking more about the company here, not individual problems, and you may get more help over there.

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    edited November 2010
    from this Seattle dealership group, the Rairdon Group, and he confirmed that they are indeed going to sell Alfa Romeo's in a standalone dealer at their Kirkland, WA, location. Twould be a long drive to Seattle for me to buy one...but I could then visit my family in Mukilteo, Issaquah and Okanogan after the deal is done. I'm getting interested in doing this thing. I don't want to wait and see what Dodge would do to this thing. Way rather have the purebred Italian 2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta.

    http://www.alfaromeosales.com/research/giulietta/

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    Looking to go with the white color...even though white isn't a color :shades:

    Pricing will be critical, I have a great trade-in that will provide adequate value for the deal to work out and the salesman indicated that they would love to have my trade-in.

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  • nine51nine51 Posts: 78
    I have had three Dodge Grand Caravans in the last 20 years. A 1990 LE, 1997 ES and a 2008 SXT. With each one I have seen a steady decline in component quality. This last one, an 08 SXT has had corrosion issues with brake and suspension parts. The rear parking brake assemblies had to be replaced this summer due to rust, last year the rear AC unit corroded and lost all of the R134a, and now the front struts and rear shocks are so brown and pitted with rust, they probably won't last another year. I also own a 2004 Honda Civic (US built) and a 02 Subaru Legacy (US built) that have spent 2 to 3 times the amount of time and miles in the salt here in wisconsin, and neither one looks as bad as the Dodge. I will need to see a big increase in quality from Chrysler before I buy another one, and I doubt Fiat will be the company to correct that.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    edited November 2010
    yeah, that is one of the burning automotive questions out there right now. I found out a Seattle Auto Group is going to import the Alfa Romeo Giulietta directly over to sell as an Alfa Romeo, soon. Like in the next couple of weeks.

    No Chrysler involvement at all in this, for right now. Funny thing is, this same Auto Group also sells Chrysler products, so they'll be selling the Dodge version of the Giulietta in about a year from now, too.

    I have since turned my attention to a Ford product of all things, that being the 2011 Ford Fiesta S 5-speed sedan. I can't get the $13,990 price after $500 Ford cash back to the consumer at purchase thing out of my mind. Plus the fact that the new Fiesta is a great new subcompact. I'm getting myself all flushed with excitement again. For reals. :P

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    This is the model I want, note the simple grille design, devoid of any chrome, that's one way you can tell it's an S model, the cheapest one

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  • bruce6bruce6 Posts: 29
    I went to the San Francisco Auto Show Sunday. Now I know SF is not a show where they debut new cars for the first time, but several companies had cars on display that won't be in dealers for a month or two or even longer -- the Chevy Volt and upcoming Ford Focus, for example. Chrysler, had none of their new passenger cars. Instead of the reportedly much-improved 200, they had the car it replaces, the dreaded Sebring -- whose interior looks even cheaper and tackier now that the competition has gotten so much better. As they say in the old country, WTF? The display gave no hint at all that this is a company in the middle of updating its product line.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    "Chrysler Group LLC plans to hire 1,000 engineers and other high-tech workers over the next four months as it expands small and midsized car development, a company executive said Tuesday.

    With the 1,000 engineering hires, Chrysler will have added or announced the addition of 6,000 jobs since its exit from bankruptcy. Its overall total North America employment was 51,663 as of June compared with 47,788 at the end of June 2009. That remains far below the 82,284 Chrysler employed at the end of 2006."

    Chrysler to Hire 1,000 Engineers, Others (Wall St. Journal)

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    "As part of a ceremony at the Sterling Heights (Michigan) Assembly Plant, Marchionne will formally thank the U.S. and Canadian governments and their citizens for the 2009 loans. The announcement today comes on the heels of last week's bond offering announcement by Chrysler to refinance its debt through the private sector."

    Chrysler To Announce Government Payback (AutoObserver)

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    "Forecasters are scrambling to slash their forecasts for European car sales in 2012 as Europe's financial meltdown makes the idea of buying expensive things like cars seem like an act of bravado. So this is not an ideal time to declare that a company like Fiat is going to wipe out its losses in Europe.

    Fiat has some ace cards though, with Chrysler given the unlikely role as savior with its return to profitability. Recently bankrupt Chrysler could make the difference between life or death for Fiat. The Financial Times of London's Lex column put it this way.

    "A valiant soul dives in to save a drowning man only to be pulled under himself. Rarely, the initial victim gets his second wind and rescues the would-be savior. Italy's Fiat finds itself in the latter position. Having been the only global carmaker willing to take a gamble on Chrysler, it is now clinging to it," said Lex."

    As Fiat struggles in Italy's financial storm, Chrysler makes the difference (Detroit News)

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    Maybe not. Inventory has doubled.

    Chrysler Furloughs Workers As Fiat 500 Inventory Climbs (AutoObserver)

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,296
    The Enterprise-Alamo-National fleet got a dump of them about 3-4 months ago... I wonder who will be next.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    And try asking in the Got a Quick Question for a Car Dealer? discussion. We're talking more about the company here, not individual problems, and you may get more help over there.

    Ahhh... but individual problems like Karynr's are exactly why the "Company" of Chrysler has been bailed out twice from bankruptcy.

    It had nothing to do with Daimler or the economy, and everything to do with the way Chrysler treats customers (and what they sell them).
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    I will need to see a big increase in quality from Chrysler before I buy another one, and I doubt Fiat will be the company to correct that.


    Being that FIAT stands for FIX IT AGAIN TONY (Tony being a car mechanic), I think your doubts are well warranted.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343

    With the 1,000 engineering hires,


    How many of those thousand engineers will be former proven failures for engineers from Ford (back when they sucked), GM (bankruptcy) or even former Chrysler workers? Poor excuse for engineers unless they are completely new blood.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    It's not clear to me what interest rate the loans to Chrysler were made at. Are tax payers making reasonable return for the investment in Chrysler over the last few years?

    Payback should be directly to the American people, no need to give thanks. They can show their gratitude by putting a new Viper in everyone's driveway. Otherwise, spare me.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,204
    They can give me a new Chrysler 300-C SRT8! Make mine red!
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    It's not clear to me what interest rate the loans to Chrysler were made at. Are tax payers making reasonable return for the investment in Chrysler over the last few years?

    Chrysler was paying an over double digit interest rate to the US and Canadian governments which cost them $1.2 billion in 2010. Not a bad return to the government on $7.5 billion in loans. That's 16%!!

    Chrysler paid the money back earlier this year.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304520804576341363763683294.html
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    Frankly, for the risk involved, we should have gotten 32%.

    However, on principle alone, I'd of never loaned Chrysler any money as it is always a bad idea to help a bad company with bad people in it.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    Well I'm sure we're never going to agree on this topic.

    IMHO, not bailing out GM and Chrysler could have led to an even greater economic downturn than we experienced. We can only hope that moving forward, these two companies work better.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    Knowing that the only and sole reason they want to pay off the gov't loans by taking private loans is so that they can give themselves bigger bonuses and bigger golden parachutes, I can't wish them well, sorry!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    A reporter is looking for midsize or small car owners who switched from Honda or Toyota to Chrysler, Ford or GM. Email pr@edmunds.com by Friday, January 6, 2011 with a few words about your car choice and your experience so far.

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  • fezofezo Posts: 9,442
    Here comes Andre's next car - Dodge Dart.

    Nice.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,268
    The new Dart pix do look good, but I'm thinking its overshadowed by the new Fusion - maybe Andre will join Lemko and move over to a Ford - Just Kidding! I've got to say though that a lot of this new D3 stuff makes Toyota (and its updated Camry), as well as a lot of the other Asian models look kind of yesterday, don't you think?
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