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2012 Ford Focus

gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
So I'm a little baffled as to why there isn't already a 2012 Ford Focus discussion. In fact, all I see are a handful of postings about the new Focus in the general Focus board.

Is there not much interest in the upcoming Focus? Am I the only one who was excited about the new Focus?
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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,873
    Glad you created the discussion - someone has to start it!

    You might find others talking about it the sedan version in Midsize Sedans 2.0.

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  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    Somebody had to be first so there it is, you are it. However, It is sort of curious that there has been very little activity on the board. If there is to be availability of this vehicle in early 2011, then "Job 1" should be upon us, and, it seems to me that some years ago there were some postings on this board from readers who claimed to have contacts with "insiders" at Ford.
  • I haven't been on Edmunds townhall very much lately, so I wasn't not sure if it was simply less active.

    Anyway, I'm thinking about the new Focus, probably not in 2011 but maybe 2012. It looks like a great car, and I can't believe domestic makers are finally mulling over the concept of premium small cars. I really do hope the Focus is successful enough to establish the segment here.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,443
    I hope they give us the wagon or at the very least the 4 door hatch.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    Not so much in "midsize sedans". If there is a compact sedans forum there may be some discussion there. Midsize sedans has gone quite silent lately.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    It's a 5 door hatch and it is coming. That has been widely reported in just about every auto centered website out there. The wagon is Euro only. Ford has their configurator up so you can price the new Focus in either sedan or hatch version.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    edited January 2011
    Everything I can find online just says the 2012 Focus will be available in early 2011....

    A more specific launch date would really be helpful to prospective buyers! =) I was planning to buy a 2011 Mazda3 5-door (to replace my 2006 Mazda3 s 5-door) but I'm holding off until I see/drive the 2012 Focus 5-door.

    If the Focus Titanium 5-door drives half as good as it looks, I'll be buying my first Ford instead of another Mazda! I want mine in Kona Blue with the Titanium Handling Package and Winter Package and that's it...so I'll probably have to order one. I'm sure most will come with the Titanium Premium Package, Navigation, and/or Moonroof, none of which interest me.

    As a side note, I'm glad to see that Ford is offering heated seats with cloth interior and not just on the optional leather!
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    edited January 2011
    I'm waiting too. However, not looking to go as high on option packages as you do. I have found that the larger wheels & tires usually result in more NVH and become quite expensive.. BTW, my 2004 ZTS Focus has heated cloth seats. they worked out pretty well. I was never big on leather.
  • 4ref14ref1 Posts: 7
    All the Ford website says is 5 door available srping 2011.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    I'm waiting too. However, not looking to go as high on option packages as you do. I have found that the larger wheels & tires usually result in more NVH and become quite expensive.. BTW, my 2004 ZTS Focus has heated cloth seats. they worked out pretty well. I was never big on leather.

    When I was car shopping in Dec. 2005, I remember test driving a 2006 Focus ZX4 ST, which was the 'performance' version of the sedan. It had the 2.3L 151hp Duratec 23 and was only available with the 5-speed manual. I remember that heated cloth seats were available on it, too. Up until the 'face-lift' in 2008, I'm pretty sure that the upper-trim-level Focuses (Foci?) had the heated cloth option.

    I ended up buying a 2006 Mazda3 s 5-door Touring instead. Actually, it has the same 2.3L engine as your ZTS and the ZX4 ST, except the version used in the Focus didn't have VVT (variable valve timing). The Mazda version makes 160hp vs. Ford's 151hp, big woop! =) I got the cloth interior, but leather was actually an option...but even the leather ones weren't heated! The only way to get heated leather in the 2006 was to spring for the Grand Touring model, which had a base price just over the $20k mark...no thanks! =/

    I also understand what you're saying about increased NVH with larger wheels (and the corresponding lower profile, performance-oriented tires). The 4-door version of my car had 16" wheels standard and 17" optional, but Mazda made the 17" standard on all 5-doors. I was willing to live with a little less comfort and quite a bit more road noise for the looks. But the OEM Goodyear Eagle GTs were bald at 28k miles and I got the shock of my life when they quoted me a price to replace them at the Goodyear dealer- for four identical OEM tires it would cost over $1100 out-the-door!!! I refused and went to leave (on my bald tires), not sure what I should do. One of the mechanics was kind enough to pull me aside in the parking lot and recommend Dunlop SP Sport Signature tires instead. I paid about $650 for them, they were quieter and improved ride quality a lot without any noticeable loss in handling. They have 52k miles on them now....

    The 18" wheel/tire package looks amazing, but looking at the tire specs, it's not worth it. It has P215/40VR18 performance (summer) tires. The Titanium's standard tire size is P215/45VR17. That's an even lower profile sidewall than the 50-series I have on my Mazda. And Dunlop makes that size and they're around $150 each...so I can live with that. The 18" 40-series tires combined with a firmer suspension is probably more than late 30-something butt could handle! =)
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    Hey igo,

    Did you find the equipped tire info on the Ford website? I can't seem to find anything other than generic wheel size and type info. Thanks.
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    Am I the only one a bit confused by the Ford stable of technology? The offerings seem a bit redundant. Ford Sync (without Touch) offers navigation and traffic, right? But Touch provides "better" navigation, but only if you purchase the Sirius navigation application?

    For those of you who have had an opportunity to play with Ford Touch (ie, in an Edge), what are your thoughts? To be perfectly honest, most of it doesn't look like stuff I'd be particularly interested in. A lot of it consists of car controls redone to interface through the screen; I myself would probably find ordinary knobs and controls to be much more intuitive and therefore safer. And a lot of it strikes me as gimmicky stuff that I wouldn't want to do in a car that I'm driving anyway.

    The only technology that I normally use right now is navigation. I'm willing to concede that my next car should have voiceless phone integration, but that is already available with Sync. Using a smartphone link to create a wifi hotspot seems kind of neat, but then again, why wouldn't you just use the smartphone?

    A top of the line, stand alone nav system would cost $300-$500. The Touch nav application costs $700, not including Touch itself. This just isn't adding up for me.

    Can someone explain why I'm not seeing the light here? I should add that I've become technologically stilted over the years. I have an ipod but never use it, and my current cellphone is about as dumb of a phone as you could get these days.

    One last random question: what does the console look like for those who do not opt for Touch? Are there noteable expanses of blank space on the console?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    I posted a couple of months ago regarding the same topic after looking at the new Edge. Consumer Reports made similar comments in it's latest magazine when reviewing the Edge/MKX. Too much techno. Too much redundancy. I don't need to push a button, say a word that is hopefully understood the first time and wait to see if is verified to change the fan speed, thank you. I would rather just reach and turn a dial. Done, quickly and no electronics to repair 5 years down the road. The slide, touch function of the new Mytouch stuff seems to be very difficult to get used to and with gloves on almost impossible but hey, you got the voice control routine to fill in when it's cold. I really was considering the Edge but I want the Limited model but don't want the mytouch junk. No can do so am looking elselwhere.
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    Well, after surfing about and scanning a number of different Ford Edge forums, I think I can safely shift from probably-won't-get-Touch to definitely-won't-get-Touch. Seems like many users are suffering from all sorts of bugs and problems. I was pretty hesitant when I heard that Microsoft was developing , Touch, and the latest user experiences seem to confirm my fears. I've been pretty unsatisfied with Microsoft on my PC lately, so I certainly wouldn't trust them with a car.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    Did you find the equipped tire info on the Ford website? I can't seem to find anything other than generic wheel size and type info. Thanks.

    You'd think tire size information would be on the manufacturer's web site, right? =) I tried to find it on Ford's site also, but to no avail. When all else fails, go to cars.com-

    http://www.cars.com/ford/focus/2012/specs/?acode=USC20FOC123C0
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    edited January 2011
    Tire info from the Ford esourcebook:
    S: P195/65HR15 BSW
    SE: P215/55R16
    SEL: P215/55R16
    Titanium: P215/55R17
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    Thanks for the info, Tim. That tire info doesn't quite match the cars.com link provided earlier by igo. Can you post your source url too?
  • I went out and test drove the Corolla, Focus and Mazda 3. I hated the corolla and The 2011 Focus is dated but they are really dealing on those. I really wanted to like the Mazda 3 but man does it ride rough. I mean I have a truck with an off road package it rides smother the the 3. I have decided to wait for the 12 Focus. 2.0 Direct inject 10 more HP than current and get 40+ MPG on the highway. It also has the 6 speed auto with manual mode. I will go to the auto show in Cincy and if I like I am ordering one. If you order before the end of February you get a $500.00 Sync credit.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    Check out the 2012 Focus Owner's Guide here:
    http://www.motorcraftservice.com
  • I was going to buy a Mazda3 but did not because of the rough ride. The S had a rougher ride with its low profile tires than the i did with regular tires. According to Ford's website the Focus sedas all have low profie tires which could mean a rough ride. The Focus also is wider than most compacts.

    The '12 Focus also has 10 more foot pounds of torque. Did the '11 Focus have a good ride?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited January 2011
    I admit it, I like my cars fully loaded, errr, that is fully loaded save one option, the despised autotragic transmission.

    With the above in mind, I was thrilled to see that Ford is offering all kinds of bells and whistles on the full zoot 2012 Focus, however, for those of us with the requirement of three pedals under the dash, we have to settle for the lowly SE model. Yo! Ford! What's up with that?

    I guess my Mazda3 will have to soldier on a little longer.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,796
    Probably because experience has shown that the 7 possible customers willing to buy a fully loaded car with a manual transmission just isn't a big enough market to chase.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Given that the engine is no different across the various models, it costs nothing to offer the manual across the board as well. As for the seven possible customers, in this market segment it's going to be a whole lot more than that.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,443
    Make that 8. I am with shipo on this.

    Why market it as sporty and fun to drive and then take away the thing that makes it so on the top models?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited January 2011
    The thing is, only Ford and GM seem to be taking this approach with their latest offerings; pretty much every other car in this segment offers a manual transmission in even their full zoot models. Dumb move Ford, really dumb move.

    For my part, I'd really love to have a new Focus Titanium with all of the trimmin's and a manual transmission. If Ford chooses to eschew this market segment, my only real options will be either another Mazda or another VW.

    Now, if Ford was looking at the numbers for the previous version of the Focus and trying to extrapolate how many manual transmission models they might sell in this version, then I, A) understand their reasoning, and B) call the analysis an epic fail. Why? Simple, the old Focus was so unbelievably lame that no enthusiast worth his or her salt would consider that car (stick shift or no); not so the new one which should (or at least could) garner many conquest sales over the likes of the Mazda3 GT (which is offered in a stick).
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    You guys can blame me, in part, for the situation. I currently drive a manual, but I'll be shopping for an automatic. Part of the reason is that I want others (ie, my wife), to be able to drive my car at any given moment.

    But a bigger reason is to allow me to focus on my driving. WaaaaAAHH?!! you ask? I know it doesn't make any sense, but having to work the stick is one more area that requires attention and takes a hand off the wheel, and driving is becoming more and more complicated, with cellphones, and texting, and horrible traffic, and bad drivers, and GPS systems, and crap on the road, and screaming kids, and so many other things that divert the driver from the core task of driving safely.

    I say all this in spite of the fact that: I barely text at all, and never in the car. I barely use the cellphone in the car. I don't use an ipod or other devices in the car. I usually hand the GPS to my wife and have her enter the address in. All I typically do is listen to the radio. I like to think of myself as a driver dedicated to driving and staying 100% alert to the situation.

    BUT, I know I will have to deal with all that sooner or later. My next phone almost certainly be a smart phone. I have an 18-month old, and another kid will probably pop up in a few years. Synch will surely help, but I'm frankly NOT willing to give myself the benefit of the doubt when it comes to something like driving.

    Call it cynicism, call it being overly protective, if you want. But I believe many people think too highly of their ability to multitask behind the wheel.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,443
    I feel quite the opposite. Shifting keeps you more in tune with the car and keeps you from being distracted.
  • I am headed to the dealer tomorrow to test drive the 11 Focus SES model. The only reason I am is because I requested a Brochure from ford and they sent me one with a $750.00 cash bonus on top of any deal I can get. All 3 Ford dealers agreed to sell me any Focus for invoice then I get a $3000.00 rebate then $750.00 more. That is Really tough to pass up. I forgot to mention the Moon and tune discount of $900.00. I will let you know how the SES rides
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    edited January 2011
    This is the first I've seen.

    http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1101_2012_ford_focus_drive/index.htm- - l

    The DSG tranny seems to be a "searcher". Hope that is preproduction and they get it settled down. These manufactures are skating on thin ice if they try to achieve a couple of mpgs by having these trannies jump around.

    I'm also not a fan of the shiny piano black plastic Ford uses on the dash. Some like it but it looks cheap to me. Rest of the interior looks really good though. Handling sounds great too.
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