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2012 Ford Focus

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  • bethiebethie Posts: 1
    I've requested and started receiving quotes for 2012 SEL focus from various dealers. Among others, I'm interested in the driver technology package. When I told one of the dealers that I was open to "ordering" the car if one could not be found with my requested options, he advised that the car would take quite awhile to come in becuase the driver technology package isnt available until midyear.
    He is the only dealer to inform me of this and said it's because he is the only one who "does the research" .
    My question is why would they list it as a current option if its not available until midyear? Has anyone else heard of this or is he pulling my leg? Dont want to be paranoid but you just never know with most dealerships how much of what you get is truth.

    I was originally looking at the Elantra Limited w/out Nav, but as we all know, nobody wants to sell it for under MSRP and most are now finding ways to sell it for OVER MSRP. That's just crazy!

    So i've begun looking at the 2012 Focus and even the new Civic, though i cant find much on the civic yet.

    Anyone hear of the listed options on the focus being unavailable?
    Many thanks for anyone's help!
  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    I have not been in a new Focus yet. I formulated my opinion by watching a You Tube as the idiot instructed it to turn on the radio, and go to station etc. I say idiot because once he has shown us that feature, he should have proceeded to turn it back off as no one wants to listen the garbage he had on while he was trying to tout the strengths of the new Focus. I think he worked for a Ford dealership somewhere. In any event it was pitifully slow to get ultimately to the station he wanted. Each instruction was taking many seconds.

    And I was not aware that the base Focus comes with redundant knobs. Again I formulated my opinion by the idiot who said all trim levels had it.

    The last car I drove was the Cruze and something else that made you have to look at the dash and try to deal with its anything but intuitive set up.

    Thank you for clarifying that the Focus allows for simpler ergos.

    Sam
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,662
    Not related to the focus...but in the 'new tech' tangent we're on...

    I'm driving a courtesy car (RX450h) and the tech package includes a 'joy stick' for the screen.

    At first I thought "what junk...how could you use it". But the joystick doesn't spring back to the center position...and you can 'feel' the buttons on the screen. It is similar to a force-feedback joystick. There is resistance and a little bump as you go over buttons on the menu. So when I'm on the Audio menu with the 6 preset stations I could 'feel' all the buttons.

    Pretty cool (can't stand the car tho :) )...
  • leeswleesw Posts: 2
    Regarding why they are delaying the tech package, I saw on another forum that the My Ford Touch system has some kind of software glitch that is causing it to fail final testing something like 95% of the time on the Focus. So they are stacking up all the already built models with MFT and not delivering any until they resolve the problem and retrofit all the backlog. It will probably just require flashing a PROM.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,854
    Wandering into a side topic for bit is fine, but let's keep this discussion (pun alert) focused on the Focus please
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  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    Sorry Ivan (and pf) It's mainly my fault here for getting us sort of sidetracked. I really didn't think I was out of line in any way :(
    FWIW, I find (other) comments that stem from such a subtopic, sometimes very informative and beneficial/even entertaining at times. Your comments about the RX450h is a perfect example, Ivan. I appreciated reading your thoughts, even if no one else did. Of course I'm not about to be a joy-stick convert any time soon as I'm certain you and a couple of others would/could bet to win on. ;)

    Sam
  • netranger4netranger4 Posts: 149
    Am glad to hear that you found the driver's position satisfactory.

    Tall persons are of three types. Those with longer legs than trunks, such as basketball players. Others have shorter legs and longer trunks, while still others have legs and trunks of roughly equal length.

    I note that you found the rear seat adequate for a child seat.

    It'll be interesting to follow the comments over the next few months to see whether observations of other posters mention similar features either positively or negatively.
  • mikey38mikey38 Posts: 141
    Local dealers finally got a few 2012 Focus' (Focusi?) in this week and I got a chance to drive one. Initial impressions (this was a base model). Exterior....nice to the eye, fit and paint seemed very good. Interior - cloth seats were comfortable, enough leg room in back for me to sit there with the front seat set for myself (I'm about 5'10). Noise levels - not much road noise at highway speeds, not too much wind noise (and the winds were gusting to 50 knots yesterday!). Interior materials - a bit too much hard plastic for my taste but the dash layout seemed ok to me (again, base car..no my touch, etc) Power and acceleration - I was impressed. No problem getting up to highway speeds and the engine didn't sound like it was going to explode under full throttle.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    edited April 2011
    "I've requested and started receiving quotes for 2012 SEL focus from various dealers. Among others, I'm interested in the driver technology package. When I told one of the dealers that I was open to "ordering" the car if one could not be found with my requested options, he advised that the car would take quite awhile to come in because the driver technology package isn't available until midyear. He is the only dealer to inform me of this and said it's because he is the only one who "does the research". My question is why would they list it as a current option if its not available until midyear? Has anyone else heard of this or is he pulling my leg? Don't want to be paranoid but you just never know with most dealerships how much of what you get is truth."

    I found at least one spot on the Ford website with the notation "Late Availability" for the Parking Technology Package. Here's the link- http://www.quickquote.ford.com/2012-Ford-Focus?redirectPage=Bp2ChooseYourPath&br- - anding=1&zipCode=30114

    It makes me wonder if they are still trying to work a few bugs out of the system??? Who knows?

    "I was originally looking at the Elantra Limited w/out Nav, but as we all know, nobody wants to sell it for under MSRP and most are now finding ways to sell it for OVER MSRP. That's just crazy!

    So I've begun looking at the 2012 Focus and even the new Civic, though i cant find much on the Civic yet."


    The Elantra is an excellent vehicle, but the idea of paying full Sticker Price (much less MORE than MSRP) for a compact sedan is absurd! The car has outsold Hyundai's projections and at a rate faster than the plant in Alabama can supply them. So demand has exceeded supply thus far...hence the dealer price gouging! Hyundai recently announced that they'll be sourcing additional Elantras from South Korea to meet the demand. Prices will normalize once dealers have 10+ units in stock.

    The 2012 Civic will definitely be efficient, well-built and competent in all the important areas. But I still don't think it will be as good as the Focus and Elantra.

    In late summer, Mazda will be introducing the 'revised' 2012 Mazda3 and it has a lot of potential! It will include some expected cosmetic revisions (the smiley-face grille will be toned down). But the big news is Mazda's new SKYACTIV powertrain, which will debut in the 2012 Mazda3. It includes a 2.0L high-compression engine with power similar to the current 2.5L, but with fuel economy to match the Elantra and Focus. With the new 6-speed automatic, they're expecting ratings of 29/39mpg.
  • mycomamycoma Posts: 2
    Does the SFE model show you how many mpg you getting or is that in an option?

    Thanks
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited April 2011
    First of all, the Focus has always been a German engineered car. It's not a modern version of the backward domestic-Ford designed Pinto. I hated everytime when I showed off my '07 Focus ST to people & was asked if I like "my Ford". I replied that it's the greatest small car b/c it's designed in Germany, then some hicks started to disagree w/ me! The only thing wrong w/ this only "German" car w/ Japanese-design powerplant is the low-quality smelly toxic American plastic dashboard, which Volvo has been educating Ford to amend.

    Only inadequate products have to give you "a lot of car for the $". The new Focus is now in the Lexus IS's league -- no rear leg room b/c the riches don't have to carpool much...

    "The Elantra has a harder to dismiss issue in its ride quality. We expected the Elantra, with the longer wheelbase of the two cars, to be the more mature cruiser. Alas, its suspension crashes over potholes and jitters across highway expansion joints. Here's where Ford's experience comes into play. Blue Oval engineers perfected the art of small-car suspension tuning more than a decade ago with the first Focus and have demonstrated that acumen as recently as last year with the smaller Fiesta. The new Focus follows the same theme. Its four-wheel independent suspension calmly absorbs road imperfections that had the Hyundai's torsion-beam rear axle pitching about the contents of its trunk. That experience shines even more brightly when we finally escape the Beltway and find some winding rural Maryland roads. The Elantra is no slouch at cornering, taking fast turns with reasonably little body roll and little complaint from its Continental all-season tires. But it's never much fun, which is where the Focus really distinguishes itself. Through quick switchbacks, its back end feels noticeably more planted, and its overall limits feel slightly higher even though it wears slightly taller-profile Continental all-seasons. More important, we enjoy the Focus more because it supplies that now RARE commodity known as steering feel. The steering wheel in the Focus is a communicative, lively, naturally weighted driving tool. The Elantra's tiller, in contrast, is much more typical of modern small cars - it gets the job done accurately enough but relates very little of what's happening to the front tires.
    ...We, however, happen to be vocal backers of the enthusiast lobby, complete with membership cards that read "No Boring Cars." Ford has unabashedly pandered to those of us who care about driving by designing an efficient, comfortable mainstream car that absolutely nails the finer points of steering feel, suspension tuning, and overall driver involvement. Our vote goes to the Focus."

    The new Elantra (as well as the next Forte I saw the other day) is just a pretty face. Beauty is only skin deep, but shallow people will take the bait :P
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    edited April 2011
    It's absurd for someone to make a blanket statement that it's absurd to compare the Focus and Elantra.

    Read ALL the reviews, and you'll find many positive remarks on the Elantra. For example, Automobile Magazine put the Focus and Elantra, together, at the top of the compact car heap. They didn't think it was absurd to do that.

    There's really no need to insult people who happen to have different car buying criteria than you do. Maybe someone just wants a small car with a roomy back seat, high fuel economy, smooth ride, and an automatic transmission that goes about its business smoothly, without fuss and muss. Elantra can deliver on all that; Focus can't.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited April 2011
    Sorry for the rant. Maybe it's b/c too many people driving cars w/ numb steering (& even uncomfortable-riding suspension) dare to insult me by saying things like "people living the trailer drive Ford Focus", "the Ford Focus is crappy car", "You're not gonna find a date driving a Ford Focus", etc. & when I mentioned that Volvo's newer S40 & S80 use the Focus II (& enlarged Focus II) platform, some people actually jump into conclusion that Volvo cars are getting cheapened & worse b/c of it! What they don't know is that Focus' Control Blade platform is what BMW engineers envy & even the company attempted to use since they discovered it.

    Having both steering feel & comfy ride is not easy, & the Focus could do it since the 20th Century. The latest Elantra is still no match when comes to steering feel. But, come on, at least the ride comfort should & it's not. Even though I think the new Elantra looks way more beautiful than the Focus. & the next Forte (prototype) I saw is simply gorgeous :D

    The Ford Focus used to be a lemon. But later it's got Mazda design engines & no (other) German car can really surpass its reliability.

    At such sticker price, yes it's also quite absurd that the new Focus got pathetic rear leg room. I am only trying to justify by saying the Lexus IS has the same problem. But only real driver's cars such as some BMW's can come close to the Focus in terms of driving dynamics & steering feel.

    The Elantra belongs to the "roomy Corolla's group", which is in an entirely different leaque. One time, Motor Trend compared the Chrysler Concord & Mercedes C-Class (& Lexus ES300), & concluded something like "If you want room, then take the Concord..." They are comparing apples to oranges. These comparisons are base on pricing, & everything else being unrelated. Would you compare an SUV to a roadster just b/c they both cost about the same? :P

    Serious, a fair comparison would be something like "sporty compact notchbacks w/ no rear leg room": Focus vs 1-series vs IS250
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    The Elantra belongs to the "roomy Corolla's group", which is in an entirely different leaque.

    Actually, according to Automobile Magazine (which you seem fond of), the Focus and Elantra are in their own league. And the Corolla and all the rest are in a league at least one rung down. I'd put the Corolla at the very bottom of the current compact class. Its hatch variant the Matrix is even worse.

    Maybe you need some new friends. I wouldn't waste time on someone who takes shots at my choice of cars. Unless of course they want to buy the car for me. Then they can say anything they want about the car they buy for me. Anyway, they are showing what idiots they are talking trash about the Focus.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Actually, I was trying to persuade them to buy a Focus during its golden years of '05-07 & kept telling them that it's not just a keeper, but a collector's...

    They wouldn't buy one, b/c they would be too embarrased to be seen driving one.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    edited April 2011
    The reason people compare the Focus to other compact cars is because they are in the same class and general price range. The fact that the Focus handles better than some of the others means just that...it has a better sorted out suspension/steering gear. Does that mean everyone thinks it's a better car just because of that? No. It's a very nice car but it's no BMW or Lexus in handling, luxury or quality and never will be. It's obvious that you consider handling to be of utmost importance. That's fine but many people really don't care that much about it and consider back seat room or MPG or intitial cost as more important. Most people buying in this class are just looking for dependable, economic transportation with as many niceties as they can get for the money. Being able to carve corners is way down their list if on it at all.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited April 2011
    Of course, the Elantra & Focus had something in common. People in this country generally have been ranking them at the bottom of the food chain -- the inferior compacts below the Civic & Jetta.

    No. It's a very nice car but it's no BMW or Lexus in handling, luxury or quality and never will be.

    That's what you & almost the whole population think. But an European car magazine shockingly discovered this since...

    (p46-51, 11 June 2003 AUTOCAR)
    Group Test: Alfa 147 2.0 vs Audi A3 2.0 FSI vs BMW 318ti SE(w/ std sport suspension) vs Mercedes C180K S Coupe(hatchback)

    "Individually none is bad, but the general (in)competence level has shocked me because even the best car here doesn't come close to the basic dynamic standards set by the four-and-a-half-year-old Focus Focus. And for the money being asked that's criminal.
    But is that valid criticism? You bet it is."

    "How you rate the BMW Compact depends entirely on how highly crisp styling rates on your prestige-check list. To me (accepting, as we now must, that a Ford is dynamically superior to them all) it's right at the top of the list;..."

    Now, Focus's cheap interior quality is gone, while optional luxury features are flooding... & exactly how plush is the interior of the BMW 1-series anyway? If the new Ford Focus is rebadged as Lincoln Tracer, then I guess it can be more convincing.

    A Mini Cooper handles well, but doesn't ride well. Ditto Porsche's. Only the early RX-8 auto w/ non-sport suspension & OEM 16" rim does both extremely well w/ better compromise than any other car, including the superb Focus.

    Unless you're stuck in slow traffic pretty much all the time, having great steering feel is much more pleasurable even in ordinary driving. That's why I also collected a manual-steering '84 Jetta in order to feel "the grip of saltwater fishing" :D
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    One Euro car mag is not necessarily the last word on any car and besides they are comparing Euro spec cars. It's obvious you are enamored with steering feel and that is the absolute bottom line for you. I was just pointing out that IMO the average buyer of these cars does not feel the same way and is looking at many other things. Believe me, if the older Focus was the best thing since sliced bread it would have had a lot larger following as it was huge in the rental car world and had plenty of exposure.

    I just don't remember many US auto writers raving about the Focus in ride quality, steering feel or amenities until this 2012 model which is what this discussion is supposed to be about.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Of course, the Elantra & Focus had something in common. People in this country generally have been ranking them at the bottom of the food chain -- the inferior compacts below the Civic & Jetta.

    Well, that's half right. Not a bad percentage for a hitter in baseball. The Focus hasn't been ranked up high for several years, as Ford let the US model languish while the Europeans got the Good Stuff. But the Elantra has been well regarded for many years, e.g. #2 in C/D compact face-off of 2002 models, 1/2 point behind Protege, and in recent years CR's top-rated small car. Which is where the 2011 Elantra sits now. But CR hasn't reported on the 2012 Focus yet, so stay tuned...
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