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2012 Ford Focus

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,611
    What's not to like.

    That big, buck toothed grin on the Mazda!!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited May 2011
    On that account, I happen to agree. Here's hoping the "face-lifted" 2012 Mazda3 presents a better looking schnozzle to the world. :)

    FWIW, while I much prefer the looks of the Focus over the Mazda3, the fact remains that the Mazda is a far better thought out car (or at least will be when the new SkyActiv engines and transmissions debut). If I had to choose between the two there's little doubt in my mind I'd choose the Mazda in spite of how good the Focus looks.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,611
    On that account, I happen to agree. Here's hoping the "face-lifted" 2012 Mazda3 presents a better looking schnozzle to the world.

    Nah - looks like they just gave it a mouthguard!!

    http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2012-mazda3-0/#4074350
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,654
    heh...I love big grills...Audi, Chrysler 300, CTS.

    That big dumb looking M3 grill looks so...dumb (must be PC here...). They could have had a cool looking car, instead it looks like the lovable idiot (think cletus from the simpsons).

    There's something i don't trust about a big permanent smile...

    The Focus design looks much more harmonious.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited May 2011
    The Focus looks handsome, the Mazda3 does handsome (from a utility and drive perspective).
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,898
    MPG is behind the times. I know they are coming out with some new tech engine wise which will drastically change that equation but right now the 3's mpg pales in comparison to Focus and others in the class. Maybe they'll fix the grin too and all will be well in Mazdaland.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I wouldn't even consider a 2011 Mazda3; my 2009 Mazda3 is just fine thank you. That said, I would very much consider a 2012 SkyActiv-G or better still, a 2013 SkyActiv-D.

    The above said, considering how much less the 2011 Mazda3 costs versus the 2012 Focus (as close to apples to apples as one can get), you can buy a bunch of gas with the difference. I suspect on a cost per mile basis, the two are pretty comparable. That of course will change when SkyActiv becomes a reality. :)

    What really annoys me about all of this is that I was so bent on getting a new Focus (even through Ford discriminates against those of us whom prefer manual transmissions), even to the point of trading in my prefectly good 2009; then I got into the front driver's seat, sit to my liking and then shoehorned my way into the left rear seat. That killed the deal right there.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited May 2011
    I know I know. I own an '07 Focus & a "'91 Escort equivalent" '90 Protege. So the new Focus is a joke on rear leg room, while costing more than an Elantra similarly equipped. & now some people are even comparing the new Focus to the similarly priced Sonata? Just remember, the Focus & Hyundai sedans are opposites of each other, as they serve completely different purposes. The Focus is designed to satisfy drivers, while Hyundai sedans (all the way to the Equus) are designed to satisfy back-seat drivers.

    People expect the Focus to be an inexpensive noisy boom box w/ adult-size rear leg room. The new Focus has none of the above. So therefore should be renamed in order not to confuse consumers.

    But Ford is afraid to call it the Ford Probe coupe b/c it's got rear doors? Come on, this is the 21th Century. Coupes can have rear doors. Just check out the more cramped-&-expensive versions of the Mercedes E-class & VW Passat sedans -- the CLS & CC, respectively. & what about the RX-8 sports car?

    Do you know that the more expensive CC version of the Passat actually costs less to lease than its roomier sedan version? B/c the more-attractive CC has better resale value due more buyers waiting for it.

    Comparing the Sonata to the new roomy Jetta makes more sense.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited May 2011
    Now perform that same comparison between the Focus and the Mazda3 and you'll see a much different story. The Mazda has nearly as many goodies as the Focus, can be had with a stick for all trim levels, has much more rear seat room, and is thousands less. What's not to like.

    That's a good question. Is the Mazda3 noisier especially when cruising on the fwy?

    About 20 yrs ago, I was comparing the Mazda Protege to its Ford-verision Escort/Tracer, which are also available w/ the Mazda 1.8 DOHC. I really prefer the styling of the Tracer sedan, but I ended up w/ the made-in-Japan Protege for quality reason. Especially when comparing to Escort's std smooth/comfy set up that glides over bumps, the Mazda's suspension tuning has quick rebound which bounces the whole car right afterward just as high as each of the bump it just soaked up. But the solution was to try out different aftermarket shock absorbers & ended up w/ Monroe & Gabriel solving the problem.

    Today, Gabriels are too hard. But I'm pretty sure Monroe will solve Mazda3's quick nervous rebound motion. So far, the early Mazda3's are available w/ Monroe shocks.

    I prefer the exterior styling of the Rabbit/GTI V over the Golf/GTI VI, but I'm kind of annoyed by the MkV's inside door handle located so far aft for the driver. Ditto the new Focus. Like the old Focus, the new Mazda3 wins in this little detail, just like every '90-91 Protege (1, 2)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Even though my age is well into AARP land, I still very much prefer a stiffly suspended car with excellent handling over pretty much anything else. My 2009 Mazda3 (with 17" wheels and shod with modestly sized 205/50 R17 Michelin Pilot Sports) deals with the bumps and "frost heaves" we get here in New Hampshire better than any good handling car I've ever driven this side of a BMW, Audi or VW GTI. So while you may not like the "quick rebound" of Mazda suspensions, I actually enjoy them.

    Is the Mazda a bit noisy at freeway speeds? Yes, but tolerably so, and as I understand it, the Gen 2 Mazda3 is much improved in that department.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited May 2011
    The Focus looks handsome, the Mazda3 does handsome (from a utility and drive perspective).

    No sure if the front end of the new Focus III looks handsome, either.

    I think the front end of the earlier roomy Focus I looks cool like the Mondeo/ ST220, which got tons of rear leg room & drives pretty handsome as well!

    Ditto the roomy Focus II (1, 2)

    The new Focus III may be cramped in the back, but does handsome in terms of steering feel, ride comfort & quietness. & how well does the Mazda3 match all that?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    While I've yet to drive a new Focus, I will say that the ride and handling of the new(ish) Mazda3 is every bit as good as what I experience with my 2009 (if not slightly better), and for my needs, wants and desires, that's a tough act to follow.
  • rexgrexg Posts: 27
    While I like the new Focus very much, I think it is a real shame that Ford chose to omit a tidy chrome exhaust tip. The tailpipe looks cheap on an otherwise classy-looking package. Apparently the Euro versions have them on some (non-ST) models?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited May 2011
    The Focus hatch suddenly looks way more attractive to this long time VW owner. Likely low to mid 30's average MPG, close to 40 highway, and just as fun to drive as the Golf.

    Actually, the Focus should be more fun to steer than the Golf.

    But even the 2-dr Golf stick, with its ability to carry more than 2 adults comfortably to travel very long distance, actually cost less fuel-per-adult on board. Don't you think? ;) How much are people willing to pay for more leg room on long-distance flights?

    The Focus is your daily commuter if you don't drive on the carpool lane. The Golf is your family mini mini van...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited May 2011
    I wouldn't care to bet on the Focus being "more fun to steer" than a Golf, errr, unless you're comparing a full-zoot Focus with uprated suspension, wheels and tires to a base level Golf.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Saw the new Focus at the NYIAS. Looked very nice. The new 2.0L four banger had a chain-driven OHC system - good to get away from the belts. Back seat was not "roomy" and I wouldn't want to ride back there for two hours, but for relatively brief trips it was OK, and fine for kids. I liked the hatch and am glad to see them making a comeback on U.S. model cars - great utility. 2012 and 2013 will be banner years for this segment of the market with the new Elantra, Focus, Impreza, etc. Shoppers need to take some time to evaluate each to get the one that suits them best.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited May 2011
    I wouldn't care to bet on the Focus being "more fun to steer" than a Golf, errr, unless you're comparing a full-zoot Focus with uprated suspension, wheels and tires to a base level Golf.

    In this Euro comparison b/t the Golf w/ lowered suspension & new Focus w/ optional sporty Zetec suspension, "The lowered sports suspension is designed to boost efficiency, and affects comfort, as the BlueMotion doesn¡¦t ride with the smoothness and fluency of ordinary models. If anything, though, it¡¦s more compliant than the stiff set-up of the Focus Zetec at low speeds.

    Up the pace and the VW trails ¡V the Ford rides well at higher speeds and is more capable and enjoyable to drive. The Golf is safe and sure-footed, but doesn¡¦t have the Focus¡¦ dynamic polish or feedback.
    " & "As you¡¦d expect, the Ford¡¦s chassis shines the brightest. The electrically assisted steering is beautifully weighted and responds instantly, while the torque vectoring system ensures strong front-end grip. But it¡¦s the poise and balance that really impress, allowing the car to flow through corners. Adding to its appeal are a precise gearshift and progressive brakes. Only the unyielding low-speed ride of the sporty Zetec disappoints."

    Also, base on my comparison b/t the soft-riding '07 Rabbit 2.5 & the '07 Focus ST 2.3, which is stick only & costs less than $16k out-the-door after discount/rebate, I was actually quite appalled by Rabbit's lack of feel from its electric steering.

    But if the Focus you drove is the cheaper '06-07 SES model w/ very squishy underdamped suspension (both springs & shocks) that rubs off steering confidence plus buttoming out the front springs easily, then it's totally out of this league.

    The suspension of '06-07 Focus ST is firm w/ quick rebound motion. The '05 Focus ST is firmer still (somewhat similar to the Mazda3). The earlier SVT 2.0 hatch (unfortunately not as reliable) has similar suspension set up as the '05 ST but lowered & its different steering is extremely delicious!Consumer Reports found this car to be Porsche-like in handling!

    Only the '06-07 Focus ST, w/ its shocks replaced by the softer & slower-rebound Monroe units, can provide a "comfy but still steady" ride comparable to the Rabbit.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    What does any of that have to do with comparing the current vintage of the Golf and the Focus? I've driven the current Golf and it has steering feel right bang in the same neighborhood as my Mazda3, for the Focus to have demonstrably better steering feel would be a difficult achievement to say the least.
  • smegleysmegley Posts: 7
    edited May 2011
    "I wouldn't care to bet on the Focus being "more fun to steer" than a Golf..."

    I would, however, care to bet on the Focus being more fun to steer NOT to the VW repair shop. Too many people I know have too many problems with too many VWs (proportionately). And the VW repairs cost too much, also.

    I understand wanting some VWs (like the GTI) but I don't understand putting up with the headaches. Same goes for Bimmers and Audis. Sometimes I wonder if I drive a Ford to be certain that VW/Audi/BMW owners have a dependable ride to get them to the repair shop.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited May 2011
    I would, however, care to bet on the Focus being more fun to steer NOT to the VW repair shop. Too many people I know have too many problems with too many VWs (proportionately).. And the VW repairs cost too much, also.

    Proportionately, yes. But there are exceptions -- the 5-cyl Golf imported from Germany is even more reliable than many Japanese cars, per Consumer Reports.

    Like the Mini Cooper, the Focus were pretty disastrous reliability-wise during the early years. Mazda saved the Focus after taking over the underhood department.

    & of course, Mazda was also pretty disastrous when come to uncontrollable oversteer. The Focus saved its [non-permissible content removed], literally, w/ the Control Blade multi-links, which the Rabbit/Golf/GTI/A3/Passat adopted right afterward.
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