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2012 Ford Focus

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    I don't understand how it can be called a loser when there is only a 10 day supply in inventory and people are paying top dollar for the ones they do buy (minimal incentives, lots of $20K+ loaded models plus a few $25K+ Titaniums).

    It isn't a slow seller - the 10 day supply would tell you that. Sounds like the writer didn't do much homework.
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    Agreed. "Loser" is a harsh word here. It would have been more proper to criticize Ford for failing to fully capitalize on the new Focus.
  • Thanks for the non-test-driver opinion. You're right, I would really need to do an extensive test drive to see if it bothered me, but I might not even notice it if I hadn't gotten a preconceived notion from reading the reviews!

    The problem with automatically downshifting when braking is that the car assumes you NEED to downshift, but depending on the circumstances, you might not want to, and the resulting downshift and subsequent acceleration might make the ride a lot choppier than it needs to be. I agree that on a really tight curve, the downshifting might be welcome, but on a broader curve going downhill you might want to stay in the same gear but just ease off a little. Again, I'd need to drive one to see how much that bothered me.

    Years ago a friend visiting me rented a Thunderbird, which we took to Yosemite. We suffered with that transmission searching for the right gear in the mountains the entire trip, and it was really annoying. That's why my concern, though that particular transmission has long since passed into oblivion.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    It might be time to think about a manual transmission again. :)
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 701
    I agree that on a really tight curve, the downshifting might be welcome, but on a broader curve going downhill you might want to stay in the same gear but just ease off a little.

    Wouldn't that just mean you take your foot of the gas and coast, instead of braking?
  • Yeah, I've been seriously considering it. The reviews for the manual have been great. And I have a 21-year-old who still doesn't know how to drive one. ;-)
  • It depends on how well the engine brakes, I guess. This may not be such a problem as I've read complaints about. Some people find fault with everything! I think I need to do a thorough test drive of both transmissions.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    Remember you have 3 modes - Drive, Sport and Sport auto-manual. Surely one of those will do what you want.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited August 2011
    I currently drive a Mazda3 with a stick and taught my (then) fifteen year old how to stir his own. That was two years ago and just recently while he was sitting in my car at a stop light a Ford F-150 rear-ended him (pushing him into the Audi next in line). After the police officer finished dealing with the accident and the paperwork he looked into my car and said to my son, "You drive a stick? I didn't think kids did that anymore!"

    He was so impressed that after the other two parties left, the two of them stood around talking about cars for nearly a half of an hour. :)
  • I purchased a 2012 Focus SEL in May. Within a few hundred miles I noticed issues with the operation of the wipers (courtesy wipe did not work) and the headlight display on the dash did not always work properly. It turns out that some of the problems could not be corrected - I was told that cars built prior to June 1st had some build issues and mine was one of them. The dealer took the car back. If you are having issues and your car was an early build car, ask about this. Ford HQ is aware of it. By the way, I drove the car for a total of 1,500 miles and found the powertrain to be very good. The dual clutch automatic performed well. I have driven many cars over the years including a number of manual trannys - I was amazed at how well the Focus trans performed. And yes - they do need to get broken in - after about 1,000 miles, the shifts were very smooth.
  • Thanks for your insights about the transmission. I've read elsewhere that it shifts better after 1000-1500 miles. But I'm sorry to hear of build issues so bad that the dealer took the car back! What did you replace it with, just out of curiosity?
  • podpod Posts: 176
    There is substantial overlap between the Focus pricing and the Fusion pricing. More than a year ago I got a well equipped Milan I-4 for $18.3K (17" rims, power drivers seat, moonroof, synch, good audio, good rubber) which is averaging almost 32 mpg mixed driving. It gets about 36 on the highway at 70mpg). It is not a big car, is called midsized, not as small as the Focus but not much bigger. Why pay more for a new generation small car when there is a larger (but similar mpg and power) option which has been refined since it is the 5th or 6th year of the product line. You get Ford quality in both. Is size the major determinant? Believe me the fuel economy difference will be 2 mpg max. I am very impressed with the Milan's handling and overall engineering integration. I am just wondering what are the reasons for selecting a compact over a midsized when the price is the same (or even better for the Fusion since it has lost some of the "car of the year" glow just due to the passage of time). Are there other benefits to the compact over midsized decision that I am missing?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    I don't see how you can get 32 mpg in mixed driving when the EPA rating is 22/32 at best. I could see 36 hwy but not at 70 mpg. I realize it's possible to beat the EPA ratings but that seems too high.

    The Focus is 5 mpg better than the Fusion according to the EPA estimates (the only ones that are controlled and repeatable), so I would expect you to get 37 and 41 in the Focus.

    It comes down to fuel economy, style and sportiness. I own both and the Focus is much more fun to drive.

    It's always been like this though. Do you get the loaded smaller car or the less well equipped larger car? Just depends on what you're looking for.
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    I've always preferred the efficiency and more importantly the handling of a small car over large cars and even mid-size cars. And this is even in spite of the fact that the Milan is probably a decent-handling car, for its segment.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Do you think you can go to a Ford dealership with at least 50 focuses in stock? I've see a total of 8 at 3 dealerships, all SE's. Also, what cars are comming to compete with the Focus?Is it too early to be looking for a decent,Mazda,Honda,or anything that can compete with Ford?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The 2012 Mazda3 with the SkyActiv technology should be arriving at U.S. dealerships in the next month or two, and it should easily be a viable alternative to the Focus, matching it or besting it in virutally every area except looks.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited August 2011
    except looks?

    How about this aftermarket kit?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Meh... Does nothing for me; I still think the Focus is far more visually appealing.

    FWIW, on technical merit alone I'd opt for the Mazda over the Ford, add in the extra interior space of the Mazda and it sits solidly a notch above the Focus on my short list.
  • podpod Posts: 176
    I guess that's why they say "your mileage will vary". I always exceed the EPA ratings in whatever car I drive. I attribute it to using my eyes instead of my brakes and smooth acceleration to speed. I haven't driven the Focus so I cannot compare the two. De gustibus non disputandum est. Which car you choose is a matter of personal preference. There is no right answer. I wondered why people opted for the smaller car when they are similarly priced and have similar power and don't seem that different in size. You prefer the small car as more fun to drive. I agree I would easily break 40 on the highway with the Focus, probably flirt with 45 from time to time (depending on wind and grading changes). I already had the Milan before the new Focus was revealed but would still opt for the Fusion/Milan since it has been tested for years and proven to be reliable. I expect Ford will continue to make very good products; there may be a few bugs that emerge in the first few years of the Focus that get remedied. Certainly the 2010 Fusion is a much improved car over earlier models and the improvements have been incremental and evolutionary. The main reason I posted here is to alert anyone who would cross-shop the two (Fusion v. Focus) that they are essentially the same price. That opinion is not apparent in this forum or other Focus sites and some may wish to try the midsized.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    You do realize that Mercury is no longer in business so the Milan is no longer an option. You bought yours about the same time my neighbor bought his and he got a great deal as well because they were closing down Mercury at the time. So to compare what paid for a several year old model AND it being closed out completely to a brand new completely redesigned Focus is not apples to apples by any means.

    If you took a comparably equipped Fusion and compared it to a comparably equipped Focus I'm sure there would be a significant difference in MSRP. I'm not talking street prices as that can vary greatly especially on a new model versus one that has run for several years like you say. Focus street prices will come down too once the market adjusts and they get adequate inventory built up.

    Bigger is not always better and it is what you're implying. Like someone else said, some people like the smaller vehicle for sporty handling, parking ease, a little better mpg and a slightly smaller price. There is always overlap of prices from the absolute loaded smaller car versus the average next size which is why I say they need to be compared equipment to equipment and similar status in their model runs.

    So to say the two are essentially the same price is simply not true. The difference in MSRP between a 2012 Focus SE and a 2012 Fusion SE is $5430. Hardly "essentially the same". The Fusion is over 30% higher than the Focus. Even completely loaded they are still several thousand apart and the MPG difference is about 5 mpg on average....again not insignificant unless you simply don't care about MPG which it is obvious by your comments that you do.
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    I think it's fair to state that even in this economy, the prevailing mentality here is still that bigger is better, with respect to cars. Hopefully, this will continue to shift with more premium c-class models out on the roads.

    The MSRP range for the Focus is $16,500 to $22,700k. The MRSP range for Fusion is $19,850 - $29,000. So yea, there is a pretty pronounced difference across the lines. Having said that, the difference shrinks as you move up. A fully optioned Focus Titanium pushes close of $30,000. A fully loaded Fusion tops out at around $33,500. I think this is because while the Focus has shifted upscale, the Fusion has not really shifted to account for the new Focus.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    include, but not limited to:
    1) lighter weight
    2) better handling
    3) better FE
    4) easier to park and fit into tight spaces (parallel park)
    5) less cost
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    edited August 2011
    Lots of exceptions but typically.....yes.
  • krunr4krunr4 Posts: 1
    I have a mystery I need help solving. When I set the passenger temp at ...say 74 degrees, turn the car off to go shopping, then get back in and start the car...the passenger temp magically moves up 1 degree. I have just started experimenting, but so far, I stopped the engine and restarted it 3 times and sure enough, the temp went up a total of 3 degrees. Anyone having a similar problem and finding a solution?
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Alot of buyers of this SE Focus sedan are women and I guess they do not get the SFE pkg.the dealer doesnt push it, or they aren't on the lot.
    However, they opt to have a moonroof put in at a none dealer shop.They do push that.I'm not saying the Focus sedan is a chick car,but I see more women driving them than men. It's probably, because women are more frugal than men.I think a guy would go with a HB more.
    The above being said, I go on alot of European motor car web sites.Skoda(never heard of them) and VW is coming out, or have with an 8 spd tranny w/80 mpg.I mean is this possible and if so how come we can't get these 1.2l.1.4l ,or 1.6 l in a diesal?Oh, what's TCi engine?The Brits have cars that avg 40 to 45 MPG.They have to because petrol is double our gas.
    I don't know how your portfolio is doing,but I 'd like to see more of the above cars on the market here.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "The Brits have cars that avg 40 to 45 MPG.They have to because petrol is double our gas."

    Keep in mind the Imperial (British) Gallon in about 16.5% larger than the gallon we use here in the States.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Shipo,
    I'm in Maine now and and within a ten mile radius gas ranges from $357.9 to $379.9 and thanks for the reply.
    However, I do not understand the mind set of Ford, Dodge(Fiat) and it's Durango that's been improved in Germany.
    I drive my BMW all summer here using Mobile 93 octane and now Mobile is leaving the state and is selling their stations to Citgo.So, now I'tryin' to find a Shell station . I think the country will not recover from the financial situation we are in for a few years ,if it does. So why does't Ford or GM send it's high milage cars here. It's bad enough you have to option the vehicles out ie: you want lumbar support in a Focus ,you updrade to an SEL witl a 302A pkg.It reminds me of what Toyota used to do ,or still does.Fiat isn't selling here .I read their prospectus this morning.If I was a CEO of an European company I'd ship over here cars equipped or optioned out like the Mini, only the size of a Focus ,or Cruze. The Astra a few years ago almost had it right in HB department.
    Well, the wife wants me to get rid of the VW with only 8k on it and when we get to Denver,pick up a Subararu that's a Turbo and to stop tryn' to buy American.She's probably right.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited August 2011
    It seems that about the only car makers these days that allow you to pick and choose your options ala-carte are BMW and Mini (there may be a few others), other than those two, packages (with restrictions) are the name of the game. My initial criticism of the Focus surrounded the requirement of opting for an autotragic transmission if one wanted the Titanium package. Of course when I actually got in to a new 2012 I found that not only did Ford shrink the usable interior space compared to the previous generation, they shrank it so much that it now has even less overall legroom than a Mazda2 and something like three inches less than the Mazda3.

    While my wife and I have yet to rule out the Focus for our next car, the inability to use it for any of our frequent family trips is a serious drawback compared to the competition (which on our short list includes the 2012 6-Speed Mazda3 SkyActiv-G (or even the 2013 SkyActiv-D) and the 6-Speed Golf TDI).
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    It's not just that Euro gallons are different, the Euro test cycles are also not the same as the U.S. EPA tests. Also emissions are different. That means a 65 mpg vehicle in Europe might only get 45 in the U.S.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited August 2011
    I doubt if any of the Fiesta/Mazda2 (or Scirocco/Corrado) can match the new Focus' overall leg room, 'cause I repeatedly sat in them back & forth at the LA Autoshow. The new Focus is still a joke in this area, especially when comparing to something cheap like the Nissan Versa.

    I was only a little kid when barely sat comforably inside the Mk1 Scirocco front & back, but it's still no match for the air-cooled Beetle's high-chair back seat (both leg & head room).

    Now @ 5'11", I'm too big even for the new Focus' back seat.
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