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2012 Ford Focus

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  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited December 2011
    Yes, I test drove both cars but on different days. The GTI's road holding is too "perfect" to have fun. How are you gonna enjoy rear rotation on a GTI on regular bases? Of course the Mazdaspeed Miata w/ LSD does it the best.

    The GTI should win the race on the track, but that's not necessarily the "pure driving enjoyment" for many drivers.

    By the way, the hydraulic steering of Mk1,2,3 Jetta/Golf/GTI is my favorite steering, not the ones on the Focus'!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Ahhh, so the GTI is bad because it's too good. :confuse:
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Exactly! The GTI is too perfect, therefore more boring to drive in the real world.

    & because of it, I plan to get the Golf 2.5 in order to lower the road-holding limit. That way, it'll also surpass any Focus in ride comfort, especially over deep bumps.
  • Anyone else experiencing issue with your 2012 Ford Focus? I have been to the dealer 4 times already about issue. The 2nd time they were going to replace transmission but Ford HDQTRs told them to reset the computer with new shifting strategy. NO FIX. The problem is the engine sputters a pit when coming off a stop, very minor but heck its a new car. The 2nd problem is grinding noise while accelerating. If you accelerate normally you might not feel it but if you come off the gas and back on or if you go up a hill and hesitate for a moment and put foot on gas then it Grinds (like metal on metal). The Dealer techs tell me that sometimes the computer controlled transmission causes the gears to shift all of a sudden like a big ker plunk, but that's ok, just ignore the Grinding ker plunk noise. If I knew after owning honda's Toyota and Hyundai all my life(including helping family members purchase cars) then now I have to settle for a sub par performance with this crappy ford focus I would have never made the purchase. Be fore warned! I got hooked in by the 40 mpg and renewed Ford company and thought I would give it a shot. Well its not worth the time and frustration dealing with poorly made vehicle. Yes your right, my bad I should have stuck with the proven winners (Honda, Toyota, Hyundia). Anyway now I have to spend more time pursuing the CT lemon law in attempt to settled this thing. I wish they would just take back their sucky car. Anyway I was wondering if any one else noticed this issue in their transmission. BTW I already have 16,000 miles on it.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Looks like VW's & Focus/Fiesta's only belong to stick drivers these days!
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    Whoa, slow down there polter12. There is a transmission programming update that has been out for a few months, so there is a fix. If the dealership you use is not aware of, or won't perform the update, go somewhere else. If their first solution was to swap the transmission, my guess is they aren't up to date on TSB's.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    edited December 2011
    Does the Focus have a 6spd or a 5spd. manual tranny. I know the Ford has a timing chain. Also, looking for a car like the Focus or golf that has blind spot mirrors.The Golf will be a 6 spd manual with a1.8 turbo.I need lumbar support and Ford makes you jump up to a SEL for lumbar. I can't believe the VW cost less,with bluetooth,sunroof and alloys and a standard lumbar.Maybe it's the Skyactive Mazda that has the blinkiing blind spot mirrors. Shippo ever on here?
    Hey Merry Christmas, if you can still say that on here.
    Puffin :shades:
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    The Focus has built-in blind-spot mirrors (those convex things that you can get aftermarket). As far as the transmission it has a 5 speed manual and a 6 speed dual-clutch automated sequential gearbox that Ford insists on calling an "automatic" because the Joe General Public isn't bright enough to know what a dual-clutch sequential tranny is. :)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Ford calls it an "Automatic" because exactly what it is, an automatic transmission.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 701
    A transmission is a slushbox, which a DSG is most patently *NOT*.

    At best, you can say it's an automatic clutch, but not an automatic transmission.

    (since you wanted to be anal about it, by raising the 'automatic' issue)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Sorry dude, if it can shift for itself, it's an "Automatic" transmission. Nowhere in the term "Automatic" do you find a definition which says torque converter/slush box.

    Looked at it from a different perspective, name me one manufacturer which sells cars equipped with an automated mechanical gearbox which doesn't refer to it as an automatic. I'll give you a hint, Porsche invented their own name for their automatic transmission, they call it the Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK). Beyond that...
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    I would completely agree with Shipo on this one. In fact, there should not be any question about this. It is sold as an AT, based simply on the fact that it will do the work without additional intervention. Ford's "Marketing" decision to make this the only transmission available in the higher trim level vehicles is, in my opinion, a mistake. It will be interesting to see if there will be a choice of transmissions when the ST model arrives.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    Please drop it. We've been through this already.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited December 2011
    grinding noise while accelerating?

    Man, that is obsurd, even after resetting the computer with new shifting strategy? This tranny will eventually grind itself up, perhaps after the warranty expires. & there goes all the $ you saved from the "40mpg".

    Modern electronics are still not smart enough to automate a manual tranny, not even in the pricy Audi A3:
    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0ee004/105#MSG105
    "I've nearly had 3 accidents due to this transmission problem."

    No wonder a reliable car manufacturer like Toyota wouldn't bother with it, not even in its highly sophisticated Subaru-developed upcoming Scion RWD sports car.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited December 2011
    The Golf will be a 6 spd manual with a1.8 turbo.

    Is that som'in to cheer about? You're better off w/ naturally aspirated 2.0 in the Focus even w/ only a 5-sp manual.

    Are VW's well known for reliability or "affordable-cost per repair" when combining w/ supercharger, turbocharger, direct injection or DSG? Have you wondered why Toyota's aren't equipped that way? B/c, according to recent Consumer Reports, Rabbit/Golf imported from Germany are outperforming most Toyota's reliability when not equipped w/ these "risky" technologies.

    You can laugh at the slushboxes on VW/Audi/Porsche vehicles over the past years, but at least they are built by Aisin/Toyota in Japan. & I better go collect one soon! :P

    Also, looking for a car like the Focus or golf that has blind spot mirrors.

    Are you talking about the warning light invented by Volvo? Some aftermarket stick-on convex mirrors work better -- at least they got a 3-D video showing the "vehicle-approaching speed & acceleration".

    The one built in the mirrors of the new Fiesta/Focus didn't seem to cover the blind-spot sufficiently, as I tested them out at the LA Autoshow this time.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    My daughter is on her 2nd 2012 Focus and neither one exhibited any "grinding". If it's grinding then it's probably a mechanical issue.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,040
    If you'd just adjust your mirrors correctly you would have no blind spots and should be able to see both side lanes and the rear with just slight movement of the head. Just as you lose the vehicle in the rear view they show up in the side mirror. Been doing it for years and never had to ratchet my head around or be a contrortionist to view all around the car. Convex mirrors can add some added view but are really not necessary.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    VW.Audi is fast becoming the # 1 car maker in the world. I'll take a six spd over a 5 spd anyday.
    Ya, I like the Volvo blind spot blinkers. They seem to get your attention.The best VW for realiability is the 2,5 liter in the Golf.
    Lastly I have had alot of nice Integs an especially the RSX Type S six speed all naturally aspirated.Acura should of kept it. The SI Civic can't compare. I have a 2011 BMW 328 i rear wheel in my garage on blocks for winter.
    The focus with that dry tranny isn't for me even if it's going to be a winter beater,also a five spd makes you want shift into 6th gear. You have step up to a SEL focus for the lumbar pkg 302and they don't offer a std tranny. :P $25k for a Focus ? I don't think so.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    edited December 2011
    Some people want to hate this transmission so much, that I think they're exaggerating every little thing they hear and feel as it operates. Yes, there have been some cars that had hard shifts and low speed issues, but those problems were addressed and corrected with the programming update. Just because it doesn't perform exactly like the traditional torque converter, slush box automatic transmissions they are used to, the haters, without ever driving one, or after taking a short test drive, attribute the normal operation of this transmission to something wrong and thus it's a bad design and Ford is evil by forcing it on folks who want the upper trim levels. On a dedicated Focus forum, in the 2012 Gen III thread, no one has mentioned any grinding, despite hundreds of posts regarding the known transmission issues. I suspect the "grinding" noise is the faint sound of the electronics activating the clutches and the clutches as they disengage and engage, but the poster that mentions grinding, exaggerates a normal sound because they need an excuse to dump a car that doesn't suit their needs due to a lack of research or an impulse purchase. I have had my 2012 since May and it has operated perfectly since the day I drove it off the lot. I did notice that it makes some sounds I was not used to hearing, but after a couple of days of flawless operation, I realized this is normal for this transmission. If your transmission is truly grinding, take it to the dealership, if your car is jerky when rolling at a slow speed or hesitates at tip in, take it to the dealership, or if it shifts harsh from 1st to 2nd, take it to the dealership. Just don't come here to complain and do nothing to resolve the problem. If you don't own one, don't comment on something you don't have any experience with. If the transmission is something you just can't live with, don't have faith in, or your dealership refuses to recognize, trade in the car, take a huge loss and buy a Toyota.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited December 2011
    $25k for a Focus ? I don't think so.

    $25k for any car w/o lumbar AND seat-height adjustment for BOTH front seats? I don't think so, either. Looks like even Japanese cars are too expensive for me!

    But the $19,600 made-in-Germany Golf has them all. Plus, you can have heated front seats (& windshield-washer nozzles) w/o leather or moonroof while the back seat got adjustable A/C ducts.
  • How does $19400 sound for a SE hatch automatic with Sport and winter package (203A pkg as well)? That's what i'm being offered. Debating if i should go for it or pay a little more for the Impreza and it's AWD. I live and commute through a hilly area (65 miles) so the AWD would be welcome, but the price isn't.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited December 2011
    Lumbar AND seat-height adjustment for BOTH front seats?

    My favorite Focus III is still the manual SE sedan w/ sport package, but only if it can be equipped with those "ST hatch's Recaro front seats" displayed in the recent LA Autoshow :P
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Two very informative posts in a row; is the web site having an issue or is it the posters? :P
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
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  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    yep,broken Shippo
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    19.5k will get you a loaded24k SEL Focus in aVW Golf plus more torque a 5spd u can'tm get because lumbar s a SEL pkg
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