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2012 Ford Focus

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  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited December 2011
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    or retrofit a TDI or GTI wheel to a Golf (apparently an easy retrofit).
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    25k w/sunroof and convience pkg.for a GTI. Think I swap out the wheel.You can get that on a $23,500 TDI.The steering wheel with the buttons.
    How come I can type now?My cursor was turning into a compass rose before and I couldn't post.
    Gas is going to go up and I don't want to have to put premium in 3 cars(wifes car) My VW with the 5 spd 2.5 has some real torque thogh and if you tried to duplcate it with all my options(lumbar) is'nt an option though.You have to start with a SEL DSG.Then you end up at 25k.
    I don't know what hapened to Mazda ,especilly the Mazda 3 148hp pefect engine,but you can't get a sunroof and lumbar support is gone and forget about heated seats. You guys remember the 2008 Mazda I New Value, what a car except for RSA Eagle tires.(loaded)
    I looked at Hyundai 138 hp Elantra way under powered,Accent,too.Focus way over priced. I might think different if it came with a six speed though.I wish Mazda would come out with more sky active models.Do you have a clue to FE with a 1.8l in a Golf 6spd?this is a new engine never in America before being built in its old plant.Well, I tried to buy American.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    We have a 2.0 liter 2009 Mazda3 i Touring Value Edition 5-Speed (I chucked the Eagle RS-As after only 714 miles) and a new 2012 GTI 6-Speed (manual); the GTI seems to get about two miles per gallon more than the Mazda for any given type of driving. That said, the extra fuel economy doesn't quite make up the difference in the cost of Regular versus Premium, and if you put your foot into the GTI the fuel economy can drop down into the mid to upper teens. :blush:
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    I traded my 2008 I New value for the 2010 VW.Mazda only had heated seats in the Grand Touring and I think the engine was a 2.3 l.Also, my friend said it wasn't FE,but it was a 4spd auto.
    VW sells a Polo GTI it's 11" shorter than the Golf.I see all these cARS AND DIFFERENT FROM A 1.2 L DIESAL AND UP AND CAN'T BELIEVE WE DON'T GET CARS OVER HERE LIKE THAT.I MEAN I KNOW OUR GAS IS CHEAPER,BUT OUR ECONOMY IS IN THE TANK AND WE DON'T HAVE SOCIALISED MEDECINE AS THE UK AND EUROPEANS DO. I KNOW THEY TAX THE GAS OVER THERE FOR SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
    Boy, I don't know how hit the caps button sorry.I really wanted that Focus,but not for the price.My wife is on my case now saying to keep the VW She gets upset seeing the Beemer in the garage.I am a car nut I trade every 3 years.I've had 3 corvettes, 3 RX 7's about 3 IntegrasPlus my favorite the Type S. I still be driving Acuras if they kept the RSX.(they goofed the TSX is for old ladies)
    I loved watching the videos of the Focis Ti going trough the gears. I had my heart set on it. I have to have a car, thats keeps you busy shifting ,you know a fun ride. I won't spend the money. I have my honey do list on the weekends and need a HB.The Focus seats fold flat too.I know that I"m sort of dissing Ford,but they are like Toyota and Mazda. They make you buy so many options,or upgrade to another model.
    Here I'am in Maine and there isn't any snow,don't think the wife isn't on my case.I should of stored the car with just the tires on. It's going to be 45 degrees to morrow ,it's 43 today.
    Well happy New Year. We are off to Errol NH to Lake Unabagog to camp on the Magalloway.If I can get a beaver off Trapper Dave.I'm going to put it on the river ice and try to bag a coyote out the window. :shades:
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    wow...that message is all over the place...when you say you need a manual to keep busy you weren't kidding :)

    I thought the Focus was a 'little' more expensive than the others...but last time I checked I was eligible for about $2500 in rebates. So Edmunds TMV - 2500 turned into a very competitive price.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited January 2012
    or retrofit a TDI or GTI wheel to a Golf (apparently an easy retrofit).

    Exactly how easy is it?

    If it's gonna cost over $1k in order to complete with all the remote buttons working, then the comparison to Focus' pricing...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    That thread you referenced is for a Mark V Rabbit, which if I recall correctly cost about $500. My understanding is that for Mark VI the process is a bit simpler, and while the GTI wheel it is a bit more expensive than the old Mark V wheel (or the Mark VI TDI wheel for that matter), neither should run you any where near $1,000.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    So, only some or all of these steering remote buttons will end up working? I sure like to know the answer.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I haven't spent much time researching this for the Mark VI as I did back when I tried to buy a 2009 Rabbit (lack of manual transmissions due to the model change-over resulted in me buying a Mazda3 instead). With the above said, it is my understanding that upon initial installation some of the buttons will work, and depending upon which package the Golf was built with (i.e. Base, Convenience, Convenience and Sunroof), some or all of the remaining buttons will be enabled following a simple reprogramming procedure with a VAG-COM.

    Said another way, it is my understanding that if the Golf in question is purchased with the "Convenience and Sunroof" package (which includes Bluetooth and the higher end audio system), then all of the buttons will operate properly following a VAG-COM reprogramming. Do you know any different?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited January 2012
    For 2012, the "front center armrest w/ rear A/C ducts" finally came back in the 5-cyl Golf as part of the $600 Convenience Package, which also includes Bluetooth & the Cold Weather Package (heated windshield-washer nozzles & front seats).

    Adding another $1800 will get you the sunroof & mid-grade (not Dynaudio) stereo w/ Sirus. But I am thinking of skipping this (& add a tad more front head room :) ). Even though the low-end stereo might not pair up with those steering remote buttons, some aftermarket stereo/navigation systems are tailored to do so but Bluetooth...(1, 2)

    & the only way to get navigation built into the large screen in the dash of the 5-cyl Golf is to go aftermarket (or an expensive factory head unit).

    Golf's optional features are expensive. The Civic Si only charges $200 to add a pair of rear doors, while the Golf charges $700 but includes motorizing the agonizingly slow front-seat reclining mechanism.
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  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 701
    I recently bought a 2012 Ford Focus Titanium in November and have been getting roughly 27 mpg on the highway. That's at 70mph with the cruise control set.

    I've taken it in to be looked at, but got a run-around about needing a break-in period combined with 'oxygenated gasoline'.

    Has anyone else experienced this sort of problem?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,704
    Seems low. Put it in manual mode and make sure it's in 6th gear.

    Are you resetting the avg mpg after you reach 70?
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 701
    edited January 2012
    I've been resetting it on a 'per drive' basis during the workweek. Reset for the 15 mile highway drive to work, then reset again before the drive home.

    The best I've seen has been 31 mpg; the worst 25 mpg.

    ---

    My last car was a 2006 VW GTI... and I'd get 31-32 mpg on the way to work, and 27-28 on the way home. So it doesn't make sense that I'd get worse fuel economy in a car that promises 10 mpg greater.
  • I also purchased a 2012 focus SEL in December and I am seeing the same issue. Not very happy with the gas mileage that I am getting when it is rated for 38mpg. I have not taken my car to the dealership yet, but when I spoke to a service advisor on the phone today, he didn't seem to think there was anything wrong with the vehicle.
    I am now at 2500 miles and have not seen any major improvement on gas mileage. I am stuck at around 27mpg.
    I do remember reading some post about Ford changing their shifting algorithm programming in Focus vehicles built past AUG/SEP timeframe to solve an issue with gears grinding or something like that. When I asked the service technician about this over the phone, he seemed reluctant to say anything about it and just kind of denied that there was a change.
    Please let me know if you make any progress and find a way to get anywhere near the advertised mpg.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Funny thing about the EPA ratings for the Focus (and for pretty much every other car out there), even though the Automatic is rated to get better fuel economy than the Manual, per the EPA web site, the anecdotal reports from users show just the opposite.

    In the case of the Focus, the EPA web site shows two Automatics, one with a city/combo/highway rating of 28/31/38 and the second with 27/31/37 rating. They also show one Manual which has a rating of 26/30/36, however the column titled "Our User's Average MPG" shows "real world" fuel economy of 32.8, 31.2, and 33.4 miles per gallon respectively.

    I'm thinking if Ford was to offer a 6-Speed manual like much of their competition, the "real world" fuel economy of the Manual models may well jump up even higher.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,704
    Wow - 3 people. That's a huge sample size.

    I've driven both my daughter's 2012 Focii (first one was totalled) and was easily able to achieve 30-32 mpg just driving around the house.

    Winter fuel plus ethanol E-10 will kill fuel economy for everyone.

    Put it in manual mode and make sure it's in 6th gear on the highway. I would suggest waiting for warmer weather and summer fuel before getting too concerned. I don't think the reprogramming would have any effect on fuel economy.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    You must have a VERY big house! ;)

    Keep in mind some areas including Twin Cities have "winter fuel" aka E10 all year 'round, to reduce smog. So lower FE in winter would have more to do with lower temperatures, longer warmups etc. than fuel type.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,704
    edited January 2012
    One of the turns at the end of the hallway is tight but the rest of the house is wide open. :)

    I thought winter fuel was more than just E-10 but I'm no expert. For some reason I usually get better fuel economy in winter than summer (Atlanta). Then again my car is garaged at night so morning warm-up is easier.

    Edit: it's butane or propane that makes the difference between winter and summer fuel - it changes the Vapor Pressure to respond to higher temps in summer. Not sure what effect E-10 has on RVP if any, but I'm sure E-10 winter blend fuel is the worst you can get for FE.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I'll lay odds that when the sample size gets into the thousands the trend will continue; the Manual will return better fuel economy than the Automatic. Why am I so confident? This phenomena isn't unique to Ford, virtually every car I've looked at (regardless of manufacturer) which has a higher EPA mileage rating for the Automatic shows higher Real World mileage for the Manual.
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    I am still very skeptical of reports, anecdotal or otherwise of "Real World Mileage". Please tell me where you are getting these numbers from.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,704
    I don't necessarily doubt that part - I was referring to the reported fuel economy.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,010
    edited January 2012
    Well, why don't we wait until the reports get at least into the hundreds before proof is offered up. How many thousands of Focus have been sold and there are three reports? I have a feeling that many people that take the time to report their MPG on the EPA website are very careful about their driving habits and possibly even use hypermiling techniques. I think it would be prudent to throw out the highs and lows to get some kind of reasonable result. Until you have some pretty big numbers of reports it means nothing IMO. Not that they are fibbing or anything but I think until you get really big numbers of reports that the results just shouldn't be touted as "proof". Especially when we have no idea who is making these reports or if they are accurate.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The EPA web site.
  • I'm in exactly the same boat. I just got a 2012 SEL end of December. Automatic. Using the Ecomode....i've got all leaves lit green and am getting 27 also. That is 90% freeway. I've got an appointment at the dealer tmr. Hoping for some answers
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,704
    What state are you guys in? Are you sure you're resetting the avg mpgs before each measurement?

    I can get 27 in my daughter's Focus in city driving.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    I hear similar stories with most (all) of the new 40+ mpg vehicles.

    Of course this is anecdotal as well :)

    The Elantra forum has many people stating they only get low 30's.

    I thought the 'new' EPA mileage rating system was supposed to be more real world.

    I've heard from "them" that certain cars are optimized to achieve a good EPA ranking but real world suffers. I remember back in 05 I had a Mazda 3 for a year or so; I routinely beat the EPA (based on their old rating system).
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited January 2012
    When I asked the service technician about this over the phone, he seemed reluctant to say anything about it and just kind of denied that there was a change.

    I repeatedly encounter Ford service advisors that are bunch of hicks. Are they well educated enough to deal w/ these Euro-design Ford vehicles?

    When I traded in my '05 Focus ST for an '07 Focus ST in this Torrance California Ford dealer hoping to get an improved interior noxious plastic smell... Instead, I ended up having one w/ the ventilation "recirculate mode" not working. When I turned the car in, this idiot advisor in the Torrance dealer tried to "educate" me that I should not expect the "recirculate mode" to speed up the fan (like how those foreign cars behave). I wasn't even talking about the fan speed, idiot. He seemed trying to point out that domestic cars don't do that. Well, the Focus is not a domestic desgin to begin with!

    Then I called another Ford dealer near by & mentioned that the "recirculate mode" should seal off the exhaust smell from the car in front of me, but my Focus doesn't do that. & he told me, "(this is normal) it's not suppose to." I almost wanted to say to him, "What kind of sh*t head are you?" They have the nerve to tell "a repeat Focus owner like me" what is or isn't normal/defective?

    Anyway, I insisted turning the car into Torrance dealer's service department, & the real expert did find the whole unit defective & replaced the whole thing.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,684
    These are only "estimates" on a perfect driving scenario while most real world driving is nowhere near that. And many cars need a certain amount of miles to reach their set mileage figures. So folks just need to relax and enjoy their rides...these folks wanting to sue are really misguided individuals who just need to take a chill pill if you will. I didn't reach the EPA figures on my current ride until well past 10k miles so there is hope. Just relax and enjoy the ride!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

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