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2012 Ford Focus

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  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    I think it's fair to state that even in this economy, the prevailing mentality here is still that bigger is better, with respect to cars. Hopefully, this will continue to shift with more premium c-class models out on the roads.

    The MSRP range for the Focus is $16,500 to $22,700k. The MRSP range for Fusion is $19,850 - $29,000. So yea, there is a pretty pronounced difference across the lines. Having said that, the difference shrinks as you move up. A fully optioned Focus Titanium pushes close of $30,000. A fully loaded Fusion tops out at around $33,500. I think this is because while the Focus has shifted upscale, the Fusion has not really shifted to account for the new Focus.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,284
    include, but not limited to:
    1) lighter weight
    2) better handling
    3) better FE
    4) easier to park and fit into tight spaces (parallel park)
    5) less cost
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    edited August 2011
    Lots of exceptions but typically.....yes.
  • krunr4krunr4 Posts: 1
    I have a mystery I need help solving. When I set the passenger temp at ...say 74 degrees, turn the car off to go shopping, then get back in and start the car...the passenger temp magically moves up 1 degree. I have just started experimenting, but so far, I stopped the engine and restarted it 3 times and sure enough, the temp went up a total of 3 degrees. Anyone having a similar problem and finding a solution?
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Alot of buyers of this SE Focus sedan are women and I guess they do not get the SFE pkg.the dealer doesnt push it, or they aren't on the lot.
    However, they opt to have a moonroof put in at a none dealer shop.They do push that.I'm not saying the Focus sedan is a chick car,but I see more women driving them than men. It's probably, because women are more frugal than men.I think a guy would go with a HB more.
    The above being said, I go on alot of European motor car web sites.Skoda(never heard of them) and VW is coming out, or have with an 8 spd tranny w/80 mpg.I mean is this possible and if so how come we can't get these 1.2l.1.4l ,or 1.6 l in a diesal?Oh, what's TCi engine?The Brits have cars that avg 40 to 45 MPG.They have to because petrol is double our gas.
    I don't know how your portfolio is doing,but I 'd like to see more of the above cars on the market here.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "The Brits have cars that avg 40 to 45 MPG.They have to because petrol is double our gas."

    Keep in mind the Imperial (British) Gallon in about 16.5% larger than the gallon we use here in the States.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Shipo,
    I'm in Maine now and and within a ten mile radius gas ranges from $357.9 to $379.9 and thanks for the reply.
    However, I do not understand the mind set of Ford, Dodge(Fiat) and it's Durango that's been improved in Germany.
    I drive my BMW all summer here using Mobile 93 octane and now Mobile is leaving the state and is selling their stations to Citgo.So, now I'tryin' to find a Shell station . I think the country will not recover from the financial situation we are in for a few years ,if it does. So why does't Ford or GM send it's high milage cars here. It's bad enough you have to option the vehicles out ie: you want lumbar support in a Focus ,you updrade to an SEL witl a 302A pkg.It reminds me of what Toyota used to do ,or still does.Fiat isn't selling here .I read their prospectus this morning.If I was a CEO of an European company I'd ship over here cars equipped or optioned out like the Mini, only the size of a Focus ,or Cruze. The Astra a few years ago almost had it right in HB department.
    Well, the wife wants me to get rid of the VW with only 8k on it and when we get to Denver,pick up a Subararu that's a Turbo and to stop tryn' to buy American.She's probably right.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited August 2011
    It seems that about the only car makers these days that allow you to pick and choose your options ala-carte are BMW and Mini (there may be a few others), other than those two, packages (with restrictions) are the name of the game. My initial criticism of the Focus surrounded the requirement of opting for an autotragic transmission if one wanted the Titanium package. Of course when I actually got in to a new 2012 I found that not only did Ford shrink the usable interior space compared to the previous generation, they shrank it so much that it now has even less overall legroom than a Mazda2 and something like three inches less than the Mazda3.

    While my wife and I have yet to rule out the Focus for our next car, the inability to use it for any of our frequent family trips is a serious drawback compared to the competition (which on our short list includes the 2012 6-Speed Mazda3 SkyActiv-G (or even the 2013 SkyActiv-D) and the 6-Speed Golf TDI).
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    It's not just that Euro gallons are different, the Euro test cycles are also not the same as the U.S. EPA tests. Also emissions are different. That means a 65 mpg vehicle in Europe might only get 45 in the U.S.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited August 2011
    I doubt if any of the Fiesta/Mazda2 (or Scirocco/Corrado) can match the new Focus' overall leg room, 'cause I repeatedly sat in them back & forth at the LA Autoshow. The new Focus is still a joke in this area, especially when comparing to something cheap like the Nissan Versa.

    I was only a little kid when barely sat comforably inside the Mk1 Scirocco front & back, but it's still no match for the air-cooled Beetle's high-chair back seat (both leg & head room).

    Now @ 5'11", I'm too big even for the new Focus' back seat.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I bought a new Gen 1 Scirocco in 1979 and loved that car; what a blast to scream around corners/curves on three wheels. :shades:

    Funny thing about the Mazda2 versus the 2012 Focus, the dealership where I bought my Mazda3 is a combination Ford and Mazda dealership and I had the opportunity to compare a 2011 Mazda3, a 2012 Focus, and a 2011 Mazda2 side-by-side-by-side, and I was so shocked that the Mazda2 seemed to have a bit more legroom than the Focus that the first thing I did when I got home was to look it up. Sure enough, the Mazda2 has 42.6/33.0/75.6 (Front/Rear/Total) inches of legroom versus 41.9/33.2/75.1 inches. To be sure, both cars are too tight for fitting my family so I guess the point is moot when the Mazda3 has so much more room (42.0/36.2/78.2).
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    edited August 2011
    Maybe, I'm getting old or something ,but I've been on this site for 15 years ,they have me down as 2 years.
    Anyways Himler, Spyder and Nippon Only had the answers for our Integs and GSR'splus the RSX.
    My problem is I have a short list made. .The Ford Fiesta SE HB because of the SFE pk and you can get a moonroff etc; as you can't in the Focus. I have to step up to the SEL HB to get get lumbar, and some other stuff. I never use the backseat in any of my cars and I don't care if they fold flat or not.The Fiesta is about 3k cheaper than the SEl Focus .
    Now, the TDI Golf has every thing the Fords do not offer except ,if you get a moonroof I think you have to get navigation also. and the price is maybe $2300.00 more than the Focus.
    Now, the Fiesta acording to the dealer w/SFE will get me 40mpg, the Focus 36 mpg I can't get anything out of Mazda on their Sky engine dieasal for milage or price.Oh, I forgot I don't care about rear seat room. Oil is $85.38 a barrell today ,but I wouldn't put much stock in it.
    Lastly, I was driving home @ and stopped at a dealers lot and they left a Mini unlocked and I sat in it and it fit like a glove,however I locked my self in it and it was dark out so I called the police and they got me out. They saw my purple heart plates and one was a Marine so they laughed at the situation. I like the Mini, but living in snow country forget it.
    Ok, which car would you buy,bearing in mind diesal cost 50- 60 cents more a gallon?Also, we just got a new governor that has changed the car tax system as no one pays MSRP. So forget bringing the sticker to pay your excise tax and sales tax.Excise tax is $50..00 a thousand of cars value and sales tax is5 %. Thanks Puffin
  • ecotrklvrecotrklvr Posts: 519
    You've picked three good ones there. I'll offer up a possible fourth. Kia Rio 5. It's brand new this year, 39 mpg, 5-door hatch. I'm 6'4" and can fit in it!

    Best of luck with whatever you get.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    I currently have a 2010 Fusion Sport. 40K on the clock, Car runs great, handles great, rides great, but Fuel economy sucks. 21.6 MPG. Now that it is out of warranty, of course something broke. The drivers door handle cracked where the spring is, and apparently this is a common thing from 2006 on. You would think they would have improved that.

    Just in daily driving to and from work, we spend about $90 a week in gas. I'm considering downsizing to a Focus, if it gets 32 MPG in DD, that would save us roughly $118 a month in gas alone. If I get it for $450 a month or less then I would be saving an additional $50+ a month. We put on 500 miles a week to and from work plus what ever weekend driving we do. At a minimum $168 a month savings might be seen, but going down a size in the car, plus we have 2 car seats in it, I am not sure if it is worth doing. Our family car, when we go out with the whole family is a 2010 Flex, and that is a great car, but it gets 18 MPG, so it is even more expensive to drive daily, But oh so much fun, its Ecoboost, and QUICK!

    What kind of MPG can I expect in rural driving, mixed of Country highways and city? As a comparison, a 2009 Camry Hybrid got us 38 MPG, and a Prius 53 MPG. I like driving the Sport, but the FE on it is just not that good.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,653
    What Fusion do you have 4 or 6?

    21.6mpg is about exact for the average EPA on the 6...if you have the 4cyl and you're getting 21.6mpg...that's like the city mpg.

    So I'd compare what you get now compared to the Focus EPA.

    Fusion 4cyl @ 21.6mpg (you're getting city mileage) = Focus 27mpg (city)
    Fusion 6cyl @ 21.6mpg (you're getting average) = Focus 31mpg (average)

    I used http://www.fueleconomy.gov for these calculations/comparisons.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    He says it's a Sport. That is a 6 cyl.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    The Fusion Sport is a 6 cyl but not the more common 3.0L. It's the 3.5L instead.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    I know....your point?
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,653
    Sorry, didn't realize the 'sport' was more than an emblem or pin-striping...the way they used to add 'Sport' to Chrysler mini-vans :)
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    It's the whole package on this one. Suspension, seats, handling, engine, trans. It used to get over 23 MPG then I replaced the tires with ones that actually grip the road, and it dropped.

    I test drove the Focus, and the back seat doesn't look like it will cut it. I have two kids still in car seats, one in a booster, and the leg room is too tight for either of them, my son would have to curl his feet to keep them off the seat back. Other than that the car drove rather well, though the engine is loud, and it is a bit of a slug compared to what I drive now, but is something to take with a grain of salt considering the difference in MPG. The other thing I did have a problem with is the center console, my knee presses right against it, and to alleviate that I had to move the seat back a bit, which used up more rear leg room. I was considering the Titanium package, the one I test drove was an SEL base, so maybe the seat would be a bit more adjustable in the Titanium. I still have to put the car seats in and see how the kids fit before writing it off. If this doesn't work, I could always look for a used Fusion Hybrid.
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