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2012 Ford Focus

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  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    Nicely done, akirby !
    ;)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I was just trying to be helpful and clarifying a point which had been raised. Unfortunately I wasn't mindful of which discussion I was in at the time. My bad. :P
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Let's Focus. :(
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Elantra I 30 HB limited. Where is every body?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    Probably over on the Hyundai forums and not on this Ford Focus forum.
  • jbonham1001jbonham1001 Posts: 1
    edited January 2012
    Having same problem. Bought new 2012 Focus SE 5-speed manual early January 2012 with sport package. Averaging 19 mpg city and 26 mpg highway. Extremely poor performance for such a small car. The 2002 Civic EX I traded in was doing 28 mpg city and 37 mpg highway. Complained to salesman, he advised to drive it a few hundred miles more. If it doesn't improve, I'll take it in. I'm happy with the car otherwise.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    Hello. Looking at small, safe sedans for $16k or so (prefer new) and looking at the new Focus S with automatic. Sticker is $18,390 and they quoted $15,390 plus taxes & fees. I know the rear windows are manual; but, it's got all the safety stuff I'm looking for and the only real "luxury" I really care about is keyless entry--and this has it. I'm not impressed with the messages I'm reading here considering all the praise this new Focus is getting in the media. My first choice would be a 2012 Sentra 2.0 S with convenience package. Sticker is close to $20k and they're selling for a little over $15k, but its IIHS scores are keeping me away. Thoughts?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    The odd thing about the Sentra is that the IIHS side impact score for 2011-12 is lower than for 2007-10--and it's the same overall design!

    I think you'd enjoy how the Focus drives better than the Sentra. The Sentra's ride is smooth enough, but the steering feels somewhat disconnected. The Sentra has more interior room and more features than the base Focus.

    If the ride/drive test isn't enough to sway you to the Focus and you would buy the Sentra if it were not for the IIHS score, one thing to consider is to get a slightly used 2010 Sentra S. It's pretty much the same car as for 2012 except ESC was optional for 2010, so you'd want to be sure the car has that option. Also the side impact test results are better--apparently Nissan redesigned the side airbags for 2011, and not with good results!

    Another very safe car to consider is a used Impreza (since a new one would be over $16k). Good crash safety plus the safety of AWD.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,042
    The odd thing about the Sentra is that the IIHS side impact score for 2011-12 is lower than for 2007-10--and it's the same overall design!

    Didn't IIHS change the rules for 2011?
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    What specifically has turned you off?

    For 15ish it's not bad; 3k off MSRP seems like you're doing pretty good.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    I think you are thinking of the government crash tests, which got tougher in 2011.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    The back seat is cramped and the S sedan has manual rear windows. That just looks like an effort to be cheap. How much could 2 power window motors have cost? What else was done in an effort to be cheap?

    I am also worried because it's brand new and they don't seem to be selling very quickly (where I live). If you want a 2012 Elantra, you have to search the web for an area dealership who even has any Elantras on hand and then they sell them for above sticker as quickly as they can. I went to a Chevy dealer and asked about the current incentives on the Cruze and he pointed to the total price on the bottom of the sticker and said "That's the price they are. No rebates or discounts." When I said I was just looking around, he told me to have a nice day and walked off to find the next person to sell to. The Ford guy calls me every other day wondering if I'm going to come buy the car today. They marked it down $3k when even edmunds says they should cost more than that. That makes me nervous.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    I was talking about the IIHS test scores.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    I know you were. I was replying to robr2's comment about a change in the methodology for 2011. I don't think IIHS changed, but the government did toughen their crash tests starting in 2011.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    You 'could' move up to an SE for more options and with rebates be close to the other prices.

    Not like I'm trying to persuade you into a Focus...but didn't the Sentra you mention also have a huge discount on MSRP?

    I wouldn't necessarily come to the conclusion that a vehicle is inferior because they offer rebates...maybe they were too aggressive with the MSRP or underestimated the competition.

    I really liked the Focus SE Hatch with sport package and 17" wheels. It was approx 22.5k MSRP but with TMV and rebates I could have had it for around 19K; but then I drove a new VW beetle (the man beetle...) and I liked it better even though on paper the Focus was a better vehicle.

    I suppose you need to drive all in that price range (with rebates) to discover the best for you; with your criteria for IIHS, etc.

    I don't see a dud in this category; they are are competitive and compelling for their own reasons.

    For the salesman that walked away from you...many years ago I was at a Porsche dealer and the salesman didn't give me the time of day (I was in my 20's)...I left and the next day drove in with my new Audi...I told him too bad he didn't want to sell me a car and then drove off...his loss
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Part of the problem is that more people seem to be opting for Focus SEL and Titanium Hatchbacks rather than S/SEs or sedans. There are plenty of SEs around here but not that many SELs or Titaniums. I think the dealers were used to selling the Focus as a cheap car so that's what they ordered. The incentives are temporary to move the current excess inventory. If necessary Ford will just cut back on production.

    The average price of a new Focus was $20K compared to $16K for a Civic. I expect the Cruze is closer to $16K as well. Ford may not sell quite as many Focii but they're sure making a lot more money on them than they used to.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    There are plenty of SEs around here but not that many SELs or Titaniums.

    All the better for folks like me who want an SE (hatch, please)!

    I see quite a few SEs on lots but NOT with the 5-speed... despite reviews like those from C/D which recommends the SE 5-speed as the best choice in the Focus lineup (no MySync, no automatic).

    Or maybe it's just that all the SE 5-speeds are already in the hands of happy owners? I pulled up alongside an SE sedan 5-speed in a parking lot the other day. So they DO exist.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "Or maybe it's just that all the SE 5-speeds are already in the hands of happy owners? I pulled up alongside an SE sedan 5-speed in a parking lot the other day. So they DO exist."

    When my wife and I were car shopping for her new ride a couple of months back, the Sales Associate we were talking with told us his dealership has a hard time keeping the manual SEs on the lot; this in spite of the fact that they order nearly 40% of their SE models with a stick. He also said they've lost quite a few sales to folks who wanted a manual transmission (preferrably a 6-Speed manual) and lots of goodies, and that his dealership is constantly recommending to momma Ford that they start offering manual versions of the Titanium.

    Long story short, yes, they do exist. :shades:
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 703
    Well, it's true that everything is regional. Here in my neck of the woods, the Chevy dealer is selling the Cruze at $1,000 below invoice, as they aren't selling too well.

    And the Elantra is flying off the shelves here, too.

    Though, Ford seems to be selling their Focus at above invoice, but below MSRP.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 797
    The 2012 Focus SE's MSRP is just $1000 more than the S. There is also a cash incentive of $2000 for the SE vs. $1500 for the S, narrowing the gap to less than $500 OTD. You get a lot of nice extras for those relatively few bucks-

    Steering wheel radio controls
    Compass
    Carpet Mats
    Power rear windows
    Trip Computer
    Seatback pocket
    Front center armrest
    Automatic exterior lights w/ Delay-off
    Illuminated entry
    Fog lights
    P215/55HR16 vs. P195/65TR15 tires

    My other suggestion would be to take a look at the 2012 Mazda3 i Sport 4-door. MSRP is $18,490 but it is selling for $15,950 locally (Atlanta) after $750 Cash Rebate. It has almost every feature included on the Focus SE...just a thought! =)
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    Although 2012 Focus has not had as many problems as the original Model of over a decade ago, (no recalls) I'm sure that Ford had hoped for better results, specifically, the incentives would not have been necessary.
    About 2 years ago, as information became available of the 2012 design and upgrade to world Focus, I anticipated being one of the first out the door with this new model to replace my '04 Focus ZTS which currently has 115 k and is still is fun to drive and feels substantially new.
    When I took a Test drive of an automatic SE model some months ago, It was probably unrepresentitive. I drove it in traffic and the sales rep was just to much in my ear and it was a bad experience. These sales people should know better, throw me a key, stay out of the way and let me drive the car. That is how I bought the last Focus.
    Long story short, although there are certainly other considerations, I am now looking forward towards the launch of the 2013 Fusion 2 liter eco-boost with the paddle shifters.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    Not sure if this "extra" rebate is included in your numbers...

    but when I requested a mailed brochure I received an additional "personal" $500 rebate that could be applied to any other rebates...it Excluded the Focus S though.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited January 2012
    Replacing your '04 Focus ZTS? The Focus III's rear leg room's not gonna cut it. No wonder you have to consider the new Fusion/Mondeo instead.

    & your '04 Focus ZTS most likely has the reliable Mazda drivetrain (2.3 w/ slushbox automatic) to begin with.

    This new Euro-designed Focus III built in the US seems to warp more & more as it ages under the sunlight?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUXNNe1C9i0

    & I am not even talking about the DCT tranny or MyFordTouch...

    Forget it! I just placed an order on the "end of cycle" Mk6 Golf 2.5 made-in-Germany w/ "the unique-for-2012 luxury option like extendable front center armrest & rear adjustable A/C vents" & the (now "rare & precious") slushbox (but w/ frequent lock up) made by Aisin/Toyota. I call this car "proven technology" similar to Toyota/Honda (i.e., no turbo/supercharger, no direct injection, & no dual-clutch automatic) but w/o being boring-to-drive or bumpy riding :shades: Peace of mind...(beats 40mpg lemons)
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited January 2012
    Civic: (Note: Euro Civic's these days don't come w/ multi-link rear suspension)

    "Road noise is better isolated from the cabin than before, but Honda claims the biggest improvements have been made to the driving experience, and to the ride comfort in particular. Here, at least, the company has been successful.

    It’s instantly obvious that the rigid set-up of the old car has been banished and there’s now far more give in the suspension. Nasty potholes still upset the Civic a fraction more than the other cars and the suspension doesn’t cope with expansion joints as well as the Ford or VW, but the newcomer rides well.

    There is a price to pay, though, as the changes have blunted the old car’s sharp responses. Make no mistake, the Honda still handles well, but the chassis and its reactions feel a fraction softer. Grip remains strong but there is less front-end bite than in the Focus and Golf.

    The steering has also lost some of its precision and, compared to the Focus in particular, there’s less feedback, leaving you with little sense of what the front end is doing. Yet there’s no faulting the light but snappy gearshift action, and the Honda recorded the shortest stopping distances in our brake tests."

    Focus:

    "Driving the Focus is a different story, as the beautifully weighted controls soon help you feel at one with the car. The steering is accurate and delivers plenty of feedback, while the slick gearshift, progressive brakes and positive throttle response also impress.

    The Ford has the most responsive turn-in of the trio, plus plenty of front-end grip, and its balance through a corner makes it fun and reassuring in equal measure. Plus, on the standard 16-inch wheels fitted to our test car, the ride is supple and comfortable."

    Golf:

    "Road noise is well isolated from the cabin, while the composed chassis and taut suspension set-up deliver a comfortable ride and excellent body control. In corners there’s plenty of grip, and vice-free handling makes the Golf reassuring and relaxing to drive. Plus, all the controls are well weighted and help the car communicate feedback better than the Civic."


    This comparison test by Autoexpress are on diesel models only.
  • Hi all! I am a newbee here!! I would like to get your honest opinion in order to help me make a decision. For financial reasons, I will have to quite downgrade my lifestyle in the near future. This means going from my Infiniti G37x techonology package to a less expensive one, such as Focus 2012, Elantra or something like that. As of the last few weeks, the focus seemed to be the best choice, i.e. I was looking for technology close to the one I have with infiniti like rear camera, leather, automatic parking, nav, xmradio, etc. and also, I wanted to get the one that has the most punch in acceleration (considering that it is indeed a 4 cylinders and the focus seems to have more power punch than the Elantra?).

    However, having read the issue with the transmission hesitation and the confusing usage of the center console technology, I am quite hesitating now!

    What would be your suggestion? Also, is the focus as reliable as infiniti? (I barely had any issue whatsover with my infiniti in the past)

    Many thanks to all of you!

    Daniel
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    yes you are :)

    it's not "new...bee" but "newbie" :shades:

    Have you driven one yet? (pun in there...)

    I like the tech interface...you need to spend some time with it to see if you can live with it. It's not that unfamiliar to your Infiniti interface...

    I don't own one but for the test drive I didn't mind the auto transmission...I liked the manual better though (only a 5spd :mad: ).

    I didn't drive the Elantra but did drive the veloster (same engine)...it is really...really weak. NOTHING under 4k rpm...literally...you hit the gas and the tach swings up to 4 and you slowly creep ahead. I wouldn't buy it just for this reason.

    If you have to downgrade for financial reasons I'd go really cheap. I don't see a huge monthly difference between a G37 and Titanium Focus. So if your safety margins are that tight I'd just go get a used Nissan Versa for 10K to give the finances the ole college try...

    Obviously you know the numbers so if you go for the Focus make sure you get all the rebates...there's a number you may qualify for.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    There have been some minor issues with myfordtouch on the focus but a rewritten version is right around the corner so no worries there.

    For 2013 you'll be able to order a Titanium with a manual trans if that matters to you.

    The trans issues have been overblown to a degree. The latest software seems to have resolved 90% of the reported issues. My daughter has a 2012 SEL hatch and the only thing I've noticed with the trans is that it feels different at low speeds and when reversing, but it's not "bad" different, just feels more like a manual (which is what it really is).

    You'd really need to drive one to be sure since some people are more sensitive about it than others, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy one personally. They're great cars.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    edited January 2012
    Just read that 45% of 2011 Focus sales were to fleet buyers. Wow, that can hurt resale values. Who would have thought that possible?. Was it end of year sales of the 2011 that went into fleet or is it also the 2012 ongoing? Either way that's a lot and the Forbes article also said that Ford topped all automakers in fleet sales last year.
  • since the Titanium model is adding a manual transmission in the spring and Ford has rebates of up to 2K in my area, would it be possible to take advantage of the rebate if I had to order a Focus? I ask this because I'm sure it will be hard to find a Focus Titanium the way I'd want it on the lot (RS401 pkg, sunroof, winter pkg, navigation, kick plates)

    Thanks in advance folks!
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    Wow, I was going to post both about the fleet sales and the manual availability. I got scooped on both points!

    Anyway: 45%! That's astounding to me. Ford couldn't have wanted that. Is this because people are fleeing from mytouch, which Ford delivered in too many vehicles? Or is it because Americans are not ready to pay for a premium small car?

    I sure hope it's the former.
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