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2012 Ford Focus

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  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    Here's a comment from autoblog, supposely by the writer or the original Forbes article about Ford's fleet sales:

    "Joann Muller
    As the author of the Forbes story that started this thread, I thought you should know it is indeed the 2012 Focus that went to fleet in great numbers. Production started in spring 2011, and as many as 90% of the first cars produced went to fleets. I'm told it was because of contractual obligations. Also, there weren't a lot of cars produced initially because of launch problems (bad dashboards, so they had to fly some in from Europe, and transmission complaints). As the year wore on, and production improved, that % gradually went down. In the third quarter, for example, it was 34%. For the first nine months, it averaged 45%. Fourth quarter registration data's not out yet. So it could be lower. It's still unusually high, especially for a new car right out of the chute."
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,730
    The rebates would only apply to a 2012 model but yes you could order one the way you want it and still get rebates. However, it depends on the dealer whether they're allowed to lock in the rebates at time of order or if you have to wait and take whatever rebates are in place when you take delivery.

    I assume part of the fleet sales were commercial and not all rental sales, but it appears that Ford made a conscious decision to send a lot of the early builds (that sometimes get held for weeks) to rental fleets rather than customers.

    I know there was not a glut of vehicles on dealer lots because I had to order one for my daughter back in June and that didn't change much until the last month or two.

    You won't see high rental fleets going forward - I'm sure of that.
  • Thanks Akirby! So the 2013 Focus is coming out early in the spring? and the Titanium manual comes out in the spring too, right? I wanna make sure I'm getting all of this right. Any word on the 1.6t going into the Focus SEL or Titanium? Thanks in advance...I appreciate all the info!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,730
    Not sure on the date for the 2013 but that may be right. I know Ford is trying to move most product debuts to Spring or earlier to be closer to the big auto shows. I don't think the Focus gets the 1.6 eb yet but I could be wrong.
  • gone2gone2 Posts: 1
    The 2012 Ford Focus came out in early spring 2011. You will note the new Elantra that came out shortly thereafter that everyone was comparing with and against this Focus was actually a 2011. So in the fall of 2011 the 2012 Elantra came out but the 2012 Focus was out six months or more early.

    Expect the 2013 Ford Focus to make it's appearance as most other cars in the fall of 2013 not the spring of that year.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,018
    The 2011 Elantra you are talking about hit the dealers in Dec. 2010 and that is why it was called a 2011 model and not a 2012 model. If it had been introduced in 2011 they could have called it a 2012 model like Ford did with the Focus which hit dealers about two to three month after. The 2012 Elantra came out about the time that most new car introductions which is the fall. But, that tradition seems to be a thing of the past with new model introductions taking place earlier and earlier in the year. I actually think the carmakers are spreading out their debuts to generate more buzz all year long rather than just a short time frame like the old days.
  • I'm aware of when the Focus came out...Titanium with manual transmission is supposed to be available in the Spring of this year...so when I asked about rebates and ordering Akirby mentioned the current rebates being only available for 2012 models which made me assume the 2013 was coming out soon.
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    Should the sticker price of the Titanium Focus w/ Manual Tranny be considerably less than the automatic model ? Typically A.T. will add $1,000 to the sticker price.

    Here is another question: Is Ford actually reacting to the desires of auto enthusiasts with this decision ? :D
  • I think the DSG in the Focus is a $1095 MSRP option...$953 invoice...I would't be surprised if Ford does a "No charge" option type deal...my 07 Accord is an excellent car...no need to trade at the moment but I REALLY would like a Focus Titanium with a stick shift, though I'd prefer it were a 6spd and not a 5spd.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,730
    Akirby mentioned the current rebates being only available for 2012 models which made me assume the 2013 was coming out soon.

    No, it doesn't mean that. That is always the case - the current incentives only apply to the current models regardless of when the new one arrives. Meaning you won't see 2013 incentives until the 2013s are actually on the lot for sale.
  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    Just took delivery of my red candy SEL with stone leather seats last night. Drove 50 miles last night and another 20 today. So far, I love it. I made sure the dealer applied the latest transmission software before I took delivery, but I have no transmission problems! There is a slight delay accelerating from a stop, akin to turbo lag. But once you get used to it it's fine, and the benefits of this transmission far outweigh that slight initial lag. It has continuous power delivery during acceleration, not even the slight interruptions you get with true automatics. VERY quick shifting. And passing power above 3,000 rpm is impressive and smooth. Handling is fantastic, given this is a mass production compact car. I'm not very happy with the rebates now continuing to April or the large percentage of these cars sold to fleets, both of which will hurt resale. But I got such a great deal on this car (the dealer clearly took a huge loss) that I'm not overly concerned with that.

    Overall, very happy with this car (so far)!
  • Had a 2006 Diesel Golf which ran great..... when it wasn't in the shop. I loved the acceleration (5 speed manual) and the 40 mpg (even with my lead foot) Bought the loaded Focus SEL hatchback in October and have 8600 miles. The MyTouch has yet to function properly and has been into the shop repeatedly. The dealership reflashed the memory and upgraded the software several times, has replaced one piece of hardware and the navigation chip, and I am now awaiting a new antenna. The MySync concept was fabulous and will probably someday work. I'm not a real techie but am sharper than most and this is a Beta system.... I bought the Focus because of it high degree of luxury and all the technological wonders. Unfortunatley, this system is too advanced for techs at the dealership who have to frequently call or email headquarters for troubleshooting advice. The acceleration is what you would expect from a computer controlled 6 speed that is programed for good miliage. It struggles to find the proper gear in stop and go traffic and when you need to pull out into traffic quickly you had better put your foot in it. In town I frequently leave it in sport mode. The ride is comfortable and it handles quite well. I would like a bit firmer feel so I was thinking about aftermarket sport suspension upgrades. Despite Mfg claims, I get on average 28 mpg combined city/highway commuting. I get a little better on long highway trips. The exterior, trim and leather seats are beautiful. I was willing to accept the shortcomings in acceleration, shifting and fuel economy for the degree of luxury, handeling and the MySynch technology. However, since Ford is talking about software fixes not until the 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2012 and I have paid for functions that I have not received, I would love if Ford would buy this thing back from me. Ford has not delivered what was promised and I'm tired of having my dealership on speed dial...
  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    “The acceleration is what you would expect from a computer controlled 6 speed that is programed for good miliage.”

    Consumer Reports testing shows that the Focus has the best acceleration of any of its automatic-equipped direct mainstream competition (Cruze, Elantra, Jetta, Corolla, Civic, Mazda3), beating most by a half second or more. It also holds its own on fuel economy with 28 mpg overall, beaten slightly by the Elantra (29), Civic (30) and more significantly by the Corolla (32). But everyone seems to agree the Corolla is about as enjoyable to drive as an ice cream truck.

    That’s actually pretty impressive that it gets the best acceleration and gets only slightly lower economy than the slower cars in the group. The Jetta for example is a half second slower and only gets 25 overall. And the Civic gets 2mpg better economy but takes a full second longer to get to 60!
    Personally I readily accept a 1-2mpg hit for a car that rides and handles this good. Mine was built in December and I have no issues with the transmission.

    I don’t have Myford Touch so I might be less enthusiastic if I had to go through all that hassle but the standard stereo system in my SEL is much much better (great LCD graphics and usability) than what I’m used to in my other Fords or what I’ve seen in the Focus’s direct competition that I’ve rented for work in the past year.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,730
    MFT is still on target for 1st Quarter - not sure where you got the 2nd or 3rd quarter estimate from.

    Ford won't allow fleet sales to affect resale value. That only happens with fleet dumping to rental companies and that's not happening.

    Focus sales for January were the best since 2003 and up significantly from 2011.
  • The 2013 Focus will be introduced in late summer, not spring. Sources say order cut off for the '12 is April 27th, 2012
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    Well, I did it. I sold my 2006 Ford Fusion SEL V6 and went into a 2012 Ford Focus 5 door Hatch. I bought a Focus SE with sport package, winter package, convience package and sunroof in Oxford white. Car just feels solid and handles great. I am hoping for at least 35-40MPG after about 5K miles. Only have 40miles on the car so of course not much going on. I plan on tinting windows, adding splash guards. I may put a sunroof wind guard on, I don't know yet. New car! Yahoo! Support America folks! Support American products and services! :shades:
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,027
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  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    EVO's opinion:
    "As with the petrol version, the TDCI Zetec S suffers from slightly empty-feeling electric power steering. You get used to it over time, but it still takes the edge off the driving experience."

    But then, does the Focus have to worry these days?

    The king of steering feel -- Mazda3 -- is also ruined in the Skyactiv form...
    Winding Road's opinion:
    "To be fair, I’ve driven some great EHPAS systems, and in general prefer them over full electric units. For some reason it just hasn’t worked for me in the Mazda. It’s a fast steering rack to be sure, but in becoming so quick to turn, it’s sacrificed any real heft from the rack. Feedback is also hurt, as I just couldn’t get a great idea of what’s going on through the wheel. To be fair, suspension feedback is still quite good, but I’ve always appreciated Mazda’s ability to instill its steering systems with a very rich communicative experience.

    Pros

    Skyactiv powertrain is a huge win for the 3, with better power and econ
    Communicative suspension makes for confident driving
    Very little body roll and good stiffness (without harshness) from the suspension

    Cons

    Super-light steering is distracting
    Automatic transmission isn’t the best choice for enthusiast drivers
    Competition from the Focus is stiff indeed"
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,759
    I was told by a Ford sales rep awhile back that the hatch has a flat-folding rear seat--vs. the not-at-all-flat folding rear seat in the sedan. Great, I thought. Until I checked out a Focus hatch at my local auto show today. Nowhere near "flat", in fact it sticks up much more than on most other compact hatches. So that moves the Focus SE way down my shopping list for my next car, since it doesn't have any major advantages over the Mazda3i Touring, and several disadvantages.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    Were the rear seat bottoms pulled up? If the seat bottoms are in place the seat back will not be close to flat. Stick your hand between the back of the seat bottom and the bottom of the seat back and pull up on the seat. The seat will pull forward and sit vertically behind the front seat back, then remove the headrests and lay the seat back down. I took my headrests out and leave them out to improve visibility and I fold the seat down often. A lot of salesman still don't know how to do this and it's very sad.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,759
    Thanks, someone else mentioned this on another discussion. I did look for some way to lift the seat bottom, because my Elantra GT has this feature as does my 2010 Sentra. But those cars' back seat works differently than the Focus'; on those cars, you pull up on the FRONT of the seat bottom to unlatch it, then swing it forward. So I looked on the bottom front edge of the rear seat for some way to pull it out, and finding nothing, I gave up. (Also I couldn't see any Ford representative around to ask about it.)

    I prefer a seat that folds flat in one operation, ala the Impreza or Mazda3, but at least the Focus' seat DOES fold flat.
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    The sedan also has this split flip up seat bottom feature, but it is only found on the SEL and higher trim level models. All Hatchbacks have this feature, perhaps partially accounting for the higher price on the hatchback.
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    Well, its been about a month with my Focus. I bought a 2012 Focus SE hatchback with sunroof. I also have the sport package and the winter package along with Sync and Sirrus Package 203A. I just had the windows all tinted, I put all 4 splash guards on also. I ordered some painted to match body side moulding. Car handles great and is fun to drive. I only have abou 800 miles so I have not pushed the car hard. I am going to wait until after my first oil change to see how quick the car really is. I am seeing more and more Focus around each day. I believe the Focus will take number 2 spot in hot sellers in this segment by the end of this year. As more and more people drive one and see the quality/fit/finish of this vehicle. :)
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    edited March 2012
    A few details with my Focus. The first one is the an asthetic item. I think Ford could have spent the extrat $20 bucks to put on a chrome tip exhaust on all Focus models.
    Also, when the car is shut off the windows lock and I cannot roll them down! There has to be a fix for this.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,759
    I don't understand your last comment. Are you saying there is no retained power in the electrical system so you can move a window up or down for awhile after the engine is off? Not all cars have that feature, although it's pretty common nowadays. Or are you saying that if you turn the key to the "on" position (not "accessory", but "on" such that all the idiot lights on the dash light up), you can't move the windows then? THAT would be unusual.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,676
    Are you sure it's $20? I know on my car I paid $180ish (two of them)...plus the installation.

    I agree...it would look better.
  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    Not true on my SEL. All windows still operate with the key off. They may stop operating after you open the door, like the radio. I'm not sure.

    Also on the SEL and Titanium all windows have 1-touch auto up AND down. Great feature!
  • rfkfsfrfkfsf Posts: 1
    Still looking for info from a 2012 Focus owner who previously owned a 2008 Honda Civic hybrid? Let me know.

    Regards,
    Ron
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