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2012 Ford Focus

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  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    I drive my Focus like a typical old man (easy starts/stops and nothing over 70mph)

    I believe driving the Focus's DCT like an old man is detrimental to it in the long run. It wants to be driven aggressively for optimal performance. The couple times I have had a shudder and sloppy shifting develop over the past 11k miles, I've taken it out to a country road, done 5 full throttle 0-60 accelerations in a row and then driven real aggressively for a while, and the shudder goes away for good.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,676
    I think in the olden days it was referred to as the "Italian tune-up" :P

    Yes officer...I needed to clear the carbs... :shades:
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    An unnamed family member claims that the local police and highway patrol used to do that with an older lady who had an older jaguar that was always breaking down in the street because she only drove it to the store and back at low speed. They offered to take it out on the interstate and "blow it out" for her every once in awhile. It's good to be da king.......
  • Kam327: Maybe that is what I am missing. I always wonder if I ever really broke in the clutches on this thing by driving it easy. The only time I do what you said (blow the carbon out) is when an unsuspecting BMW or Lexus pulls next to me at a red light and thinks they are going to blow by me to get on the highway. I have not got beat yet but we are talking 300 yards before the on ramp and I know when they see the Focus with the old man (49) sitting next to them they probably figure they can send out one more text message before taking off but I don't care.
  • maniac4maniac4 Posts: 41
    I have noticed that too old timer. Im a old timer. drove and drive similiar fashion.Thrash that tranny. Nail the go pedal and burnish in them clutches............It acts right after that!!!!
    it worked ;) for many others as well
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,750
    edited January 2013
    Drove one today at my new job and did not like it at all! I knew going in that the auto tranny was gonna be a bit weird, and the other guy warned me about it also so i was prepared. The car had only 1426 on it and it was very herky jerky and when I had to pass on the expressway, it was not awe inspiring. The seat fabric is also terrible...just felt and looked so cheap. The new Altima I drove later on in the day had much better seats with grippy fabric and very supportive chairs, something the Focus lacked. I so wanted to like the Focus.

    I will say the hatch is definitely a looker and I did like the SEL trim, except for the seat fabric. And if they address the seats and the tranny, I would definitely buy one for my next ride though I would really want one with power seats if they made such an animal. I'm really not a Ford guy...the one we had was pure garbage and the Lincoln's were nothing to write home about. But, if they made the above changes to the Focus, I would buy one in a heartbeat!

    Also drove a Ford Edge...very unimpressive but more on that later. Hopefully will try the Fuzion next time. I am looking forward to that!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    That's funny, most report that the Focus seats are among the best in the segment. Certainly the leather seats are and I didn't think the cloth seats in the SEL has any less bolstering than the leather. The seats in the base SE can be expected to be much less comfortable however.

    Maybe the car you tested did not have the latest tranny software. It's possible.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,750
    I prefer a cloth more like what the Altima had but that's just personal preference. And since I have spinal issues, I'm very particular about the driver seat. But I really liked the hatch, my daughter has a Versa SL hatch, and think it looks way better than the sedan on this car. As my past posts have shown, I'm definitely not a Ford lover, though I do own some shares of the company. But this car is one on my short list now...seriously!
    Am hoping to drive the new Escape at my job soon, as it is spectacular looking really...prefer it now to the Mazda equivalent...job well done Ford!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • maniac4maniac4 Posts: 41
    edited January 2013
    Indeed at first there were a ton of complaints on the early build dates of the ford powershift............................WERE. I think the bulk of complaints was due to no body knew what the bejesus it was......................Are you for certain it had the 137b updated flash?. Just asking.

    Cause its cool as all now. Either you love a dual clutch or you hate the dual clutch. there is no middle ground, Sorry about the back injury .That aint no joke.best wishes. I dont know what you can do..........whatever makes your back feel good is all that matters. right? Regardles which year make or model.
    maniac4
  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    Indeed at first there were a ton of complaints on the early build dates of the ford powershift............................WERE. I think the bulk of complaints was due to no body knew what the bejesus it was......................

    To be fair there are still complaints of grinding and shuddering, even with the '13s. My Dec '11 built car (i.e. NOT an "early build") has had shuddering and a clutch failure, but now at 12,000 miles is operating acceptably.

    But the complaints do seem to be getting to a smaller and smaller percentage of cars sold. Some owners approaching 50,000 miles on the car have reported perfect operation. And one guy with over 100k on a '12 already reports while the DCT has been a little funky, there have been no mechanical failures.
  • maniac4maniac4 Posts: 41
    100 thousand miles..................dang! lots of miles. :)
  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    100 thousand miles..................dang! lots of miles.

    Yep, apparently they use it in a delivery service. So pretty much constantly on the road.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    In addition to the problems mostly fixed by the latest software there were also some legitimate mechanical problems that are probably still occurring to a small number. I think these are being misinterpreted to be more widespread based on the early issues.
  • Funny about the Focus seats, I test drove a SE with the standard cloth seats and thought they were terrible but my SE with the upgraded sports pkg. seats are some of the most comfortable I've ever had.
  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    In addition to the problems mostly fixed by the latest software there were also some legitimate mechanical problems that are probably still occurring to a small number. I think these are being misinterpreted to be more widespread based on the early issues.

    Yes, some cars have had seals that allowed gear or engine fluid to get on the dry clutches and affect operation. And my car had an improperly disengaging clutch that required replacement. These mechanical issues appear to be few and far between and Ford appears to be fixing them.

    Funny about the Focus seats, I test drove a SE with the standard cloth seats and thought they were terrible but my SE with the upgraded sports pkg. seats are some of the most comfortable I've ever had.

    Yep the Sport Package on the SE included upgraded bolstering similar to the higher trim levels. The Sport Package is gone for '13 but I think the Appearance Package includes the upgraded bolstering. But they only come in leather. I don't think you can get cloth seats with the upgraded bolstering in '13.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 701
    Either you love a dual clutch or you hate the dual clutch.

    I think it's more of a 'either you love a clutch or you hate a clutch'. IE: the feel of a 'manual' clutch in the shifts... or the feel of an 'automatic' torque converter in the shifts.

    With so many never feeling the shifting action of any sort of manual, it stands to reason that they'd find it 'wrong'.
  • maniac4maniac4 Posts: 41
    edited January 2013
    Well thats what I really meant, Thanks for straightening that out. I did drive a conventional other brand car today and, I think the dct beats it by a long shot!.I had forgotten how doggy they were/are. Ill keep the dct. this sure does remind me when front wheel drive came around Nobody wanted one, fast forward and.............................perfection.The powershift should work out fairly well. The reviews are getting better. Im glad for ford that the are being better recieved by the populous. Dodge really dont know how much they helped the focus prevail with the dart. ! any thoughts ?
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    It seems that not all fixes are achieved by software upgrades. Human nature tho to have wishful (simple fix) thinking, but yours might be one of the ones with a leaking seal. I think that what kam posted about that might have gotten by you?

    Any updates since Nov?
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    A manufacturer has to take responsibility for the sales and reputation of their vehicles and their decision to bundle them with tech that is so advanced, it is prone to glitches and far from perfected. We are the guinea pigs that provide the road (read $) to pursuing that perfection (or even just basic as-promised function).

    IF Ford wants to get the attention and hoopla from choosing to offer the (so-called) perks of MyTouch, then they also have to own it (it; as in.. its reputation) if it does not perform properly in the hands of those who sprung the extra bucks to get it.

    The same can be said for DCT. It is Ford's responsibility (as is any mfr) to ensure a purchaser is INFORMED of potential operational differences over what they might have been accustomed to in the past.

    I know you are a Ford guy and indicate a lot of fairness in your posts, but I still say let 'em (Ford) reap what they sow..
    If they want the attention from new and improved and are rolling out new product as fast as Steve Jobs was, then they also have to endure a bit of bad press when they find they didn't actually get right, and when you have the number of issues (recalls etc) for some serious issues, as they are stacking up lately, then maybe it's a good lesson to them that a little slower and surer wins the race. The older I get, like anyone else, the more vehicles we have owned over the years, and I for one am getting damn tired of being their unpaid tester of premature product releases. We are their guinea pigs essentially. And ironically...not only are we not paid to do this...we pay them!!
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Was not the reason they use the DCT in it, for the fuel mileage? From what I've been reading, they sorta failed..and that was even using the (more efficient) dry clutch as opposed to the wet in EU.

    And apparently, according to build dates and issues still being reported, can we still attribute all these issues to driver difference learning curves of the DCT? I think your 95% number is a little optimistic.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Good post.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    The VW 6 sp auto Techtronic is a Toyota trans?

    I liked it when I drove one with the 2.5 a year ago. But it is an expensive tranny/car to own maintenance-wise. It seemed to be a magnetic fiend for needing to go back to the dealer for the requisite maintenance schedule dealer stamps. And gosh, they aren't cheap. I really liked the car and still haven't replaced or added to the fleet yet, but that maintenance schedule really put me off..
    Well...I shouldn't say put me off yet, but has caused me some reservations.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    One thing I'm curious about is, where does the dust go from the dry clutch wear? Perhaps the clutch paks are vented to the outside..i.e. Not actually an internal trans component? If so, then it would at least make them more affordably $erviceable than having to go inside. I think VW's in EU are on the inside, and replaced as a unit when troublesome. Weren't they like 5 grand or something just for electronic clutch pak assembly..not counting the gear assembly of the actual trans?

    And does the Focus and Fiesta use the same DCT or are they different but identical design? i.e. Is the Fiesta DCT also dry clutch?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,771
    I thought the 6AT Tiptronic in the Rabbit/Golf is an Aisin unit. Aisin is part owned by Toyota and supplies trannies to Toyota, but is not Toyota.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Was not the reason they use the DCT in it, for the fuel mileage? From what I've been reading, they sorta failed..and that was even using the (more efficient) dry clutch as opposed to the wet in EU.

    They don't seem to be working out all that well in general, possibly because they're being sold as automatic variants, which they aren't. If they were sold as quasi-manual transmissions, which they are, the low-speed roughness might be a little more expected and acceptable. And if they'd program the things to shift faster. And not upshift in manual mode.

    Dodge's DCT isn't all that well accepted either, nor is the one Hyundai is using in the Veloster.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited January 2013
    The VW 6 sp auto Techtronic is a Toyota trans?

    I liked it when I drove one with the 2.5 a year ago. But it is an expensive tranny/car to own maintenance-wise. It seemed to be a magnetic fiend for needing to go back to the dealer for the requisite maintenance schedule dealer stamps. And gosh, they aren't cheap. I really liked the car and still haven't replaced or added to the fleet yet, but that maintenance schedule really put me off..
    Well...I shouldn't say put me off yet, but has caused me some reservations.


    VW 2.5 5-cyl non-turbo (& even the GTI 4-cyl turbo engine in the Tiguan) uses the Aisin Japanese 6-sp auto tranny. Of course, the programming was requested by VW & not Toyota. Despite being a slush box, the lock-up mode is often. & when this big-displacement 5-cyl kicks off in manual mode through the low 1st gear off the line, it leaps forward way ahead of the traffic every time the light turns green :shades: & all I needed to do is using the "manual mode" for the first second, then shift back into "auto mode" for rest of the low-rpm torquy acceleration! So I did not regret for not having the 5-sp manual, which has an annoying long-reach clutch travel!

    Only we lucky North Americans get to have this naturally aspirated version of the semi-"Lamborghini Gallardo 10-cyl engine", which uses timing chain (which saves timing-belt related $ for the owner).

    Further more, unlike the DSG double-clutcher, this auto tranny requires zero factory maintenance!

    The only thing costly, if at all, is the consumption of regular (& not premium) fuel in city driving.

    We are talking about a low-price car that provides near limo-like cushy ride w/o a numb steering!

    FYI, the wagon version (Golf in Canada; Jetta in U.S.) imported from Mexico is based on the "costier to build" Mk5, so therefore even more reliable. & I like the wagon's rear-seat comfort way better!
  • kam327kam327 Posts: 115
    Was not the reason they use the DCT in it, for the fuel mileage? From what I've been reading, they sorta failed..and that was even using the (more efficient) dry clutch as opposed to the wet in EU.

    It does seem to be working for fuel mileage. Consider the Focus has over 10hp more than the Corolla, Elantra, Civic, etc. and that it gets to 60mph a second quicker or so than them (from several sources), but still gets within 1-2 mpg average of those slower cars.
  • Just bought a used 2012 Ford Focus with about 34k on it. In short, love this car! I heard all the horror stories about the trans prior to buying it. The truth is that it has a different "feel" to it. Does not feel like a traditional automatic, but also does not feel like a manual. I have owned many of each type. This is a hybrid transmission and it has its own feel. Just because it feels different does not mean it is defective. I noticed a slight shudder when I first accelerated during the test drive, which many would equate with a "missing" transmission and therefore a problem. That is not the case with Powershift, it is just the way it works.

    You will always hear anecdotal stories from every type of car owner on the planet about whatever particular horror story they are having. The same is true with the Focus. I have read about stalling, missing gears..., but so far I have had none of that. I may eat my words if mine craps out or I get a recall notice from Ford at some point, but right now loving it.
  • Glad you got a good one, Mine was sooo bad I traded it in and will never own a Ford again, Got a dodge Dart and I love it! Good luck with your car!
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    That's interesting..Dart, eh? Is it a the dual clutch auto? I sat in one and was impressed with how much seat bottom length they gave it. So many seat bottoms lately are just too short to provide support under your lower thighs unless you're a slight build.
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