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2012 Ford Focus

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  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    The Forte will probably be due for some major changes by then as well and who knows what Kia will come up with.

    I already saw it! The tail lights look very much like the new Focus III sedan's. Rest of the car is quite gorgeous, & seems to be sharing the same platform as the new Elantra. But, remember, beauty is only skin deep. Have you seen a Korean car w/ good steering feel???
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    Have you seen a Korean car w/ good steering feel???

    Good is in the eye of the beholder. I dare say that 95% of the people buying them would say they have good(not great) steering feel or they probably wouldn't buy them. I don't particular like their iteration of EPS but it is fairly new and I would expect both that and their handling to improve over time. But 2012 Focus, from what I read, seems to have the best combo of ride and handling. Mazda3 probably handles better but it has a pretty stiff ride.

    My first car, a 2dr 1960 Ford Falcon w/ 3spd stick on the column had 13" rims as did my 3rd car, a 2dr 1963 Tempest 2sp auto. It was 14" and upwards from then on until today where I have 17" on all 3 of my current rides, a midsize car, a full size p/u and a midsize SUV.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Anyone else remember when 13" wheels were standard on compacts? Yes, I know, I am dating myself.

    Lemmi tell ya, the original Golf GTI from the '70's had 13" in Europe, even some of the '84 Mk1 Jetta GLI 1.8 here in the U.S. & they can make almost all of today's cars' steering feel numb by comparison!
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited February 2011
    When it was pouring several weeks ago here in S California, I was driving my '07 Focus ST cruising on the fwy confidently & all relaxing w/ just "a finger & thumb on the steering wheel rim" at 70mph, faster than anyone else including a Porsche 911, b/c my hand could sense how much my tires are gripping the road! I still remember seeing this poor girl in her new C-class sedan having both hands grabbing tightly & nervously on her steering wheel crawling at much slower speed than my $15k German-engineered Focus ST w/ pure hydraulic pwr steering.

    I remember even the Mazda RX-8 w/ EPS steers confidently,
    "It’s wonderful around corners. There’s no slack in the feelsome steering, gearchange or pedals and you can feel every bit of g-force build through those big wheels. There’s no need to fear turning the heavy-handed stability control off – the RX-8 is so well balanced and predictable that you can confidently exploit its limits. "
    more so than the BMW 1-series:
    " It’s neat, crisp and controllable, although the chassis isn’t as talkative as the Mazda’s."
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    "I don't particular like their iteration of EPS but it is fairly new and I would expect both that and their handling to improve over time."

    We've been saying that for a long time about Hyundai/Kia now. Do you really think it will ever come true? They are simply not going to be able to compete on all levels and maintain their low costs. However I will say that their steering and handling is about the only thing they do not compete well with right now so who knows.

    I would still take the Focus or the 3 over anything Hyundai/Kia will put out in the next 2 years based on their histories if nothing else.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    edited February 2011
    We've been wondering for a long time when a great Focus would come along too. Like I said, I like to keep an open mind. Right now Focus appears to be best. Two years from now, who knows. At the rate the Korean twins have been improving they might challenge more. Mazda is coming up with a lot of knew powertrains including diesels and start/stop tech. Who knows, even Mopar could come out with something special. I really believe with gas prices rising and mindsets changing accordingly, this segment is going to be very competitive quickly.

    Who knows what Corolla will be like but I too have severe reservations. It is still their top selling car the way it is so why spend a lot of money changing it for enthusiusts when they probably won't even look at it anyway. It hasn't been enthusiusts buying it. Sometimes we car and driving lovers forget that we are in the minority and that most people just want economical, reliable transportation...not a corner cutter. I know sales don't equate to "good car" but sales do influence what is offered.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Have you driven the new Elantra? I haven't yet, but the reviews I've read indicate its handling is quite good. But I haven't driven a 2012 Focus yet either (who in the USA has??) so I can't make a direct comparison.
  • I agree with backy. The Sonata cracked the 2011 Car and Driver 10 best. Would anyone have guessed that a Korean car would be on the C&D 10 best a few years ago? I don't see why they can't do a similar job on the Elantra.

    And I wouldn't count out Honda and Toyota (this is in response to baggs). Honda is the king of making understated but fun cars. Toyota may simply make an appliance, but there's a big market for people shopping for appliances on wheels and you can be sure that at a minimum, Toyota will get the basics right.
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    edited February 2011
    I had a new (2,000 miles on odo) 2010 Forte as a loaner vehicle for about a week last Summer while my wifes truck was in the shop. I think it is an impressive car from a value stand point. It has a much better warrantee than Corolla and it is subjectively a step up appearance wise inside and out. I tried to take an assessment of this Kia against my '04 Focus ZTS (100 K on odo). This exercise gave me a new appreciation for my Focus. Indeed the Kia had some design features on the inside which had some comfort advantages and apppeared to be larger dimensionally than my ride. But my old car was more satisfying to drive because it had superior dynamics even though everthing is original in the chasis and steering ( I did have the power steering flushed at 60 k )
    I purchased my 04 Focus in Nov. 03. mostly based on a Test Drive that the dealer insisted that I take, when we were considering purchasing a small truck.
    I am looking forward to driving the 2012 when the arrive this Spring. This market segment is hot right now and getting hotter as gasoline prices become so unstable. Prices for a model equiped the way I like it might approach a Base Level Mustang with almost twice the horse power. It will be tough to decide because I always wanted that American Icon
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    But I haven't driven a 2012 Focus yet either (who in the USA has??)

    I know you probably mean regular consumers but I'm basing my first impression of the new Focus drive on auto writers. I've seen many first drives and reviews of the new Focus and they indicate the Focus handles and has better feedback than the rest of the segment. Obviously I haven't driven one but many of those same reviewers recently reviewed the Elantra too so they have a fresh comparison to go by.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    Prices for a model equiped the way I like it might approach a Base Level Mustang with almost twice the horse power. It will be tough to decide because I always wanted that American Icon

    I hear you. I had a 1968 Mustang 2dr, 289 V8 with the a 3 speed stick on the floor(used to be called that as versus column) that I bought after my first stint in the military. I had been tempted by the new 2011 Mustang as well but after sitting in it and really thinking about driving it on a daily basis it just wasn't a good fit to my life. Plus living in Chicago area even with snows and traction control there are many winter days where driving it would be too much of an adventure if you know what I mean.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    I did read a review by Automobile Magazine (March I think) which to my knowledge is the first comparo of the new Focus and Elantra. They seemed impressed by both cars and in fact anointed them the top 2 cars in the class.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    Was that a comparo between just those two cars? I'll have to find it. From what I've read and after sitting in both I would tend to agree that they seem to have the most pluses and fewest minuses of the bunch.
  • Fellow Edmunders (ites?)

    Been in the market for a sub compact lease and almost settled on a Cruze before the deal fell through. Given am already at the end of Feb and not in a tearing hurry to get equipped with a car, am happy to wait for the Focus 2012 to be available at dealerships (April?) as it sounds like a winner.

    Wondering what you think Ford's strategy would be as far leasing is concerned - do you think I can expect some aggressive deals (with low MF and high RV) early on? The biggest thing am concerned about is whether banks would offer higher RV on the Focus 2012 taking note of the strides Ford has taken over the past few years.

    Given these are likely going to fly off the dealerships, am hesitant about whether I would find reasonable lease deals during Focus 2012's early availability. Your thoughts?

    Cheers.
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    Hot! Hot! Hot! Hot! Hot! Hot! Hot! Hot!

    Ummmm.

    The girls that sing that song really do the Hot! Hot! thing accurate and fast, was it Sista Sledge that did that song? Look at the hatch in silver. That's what's caught me, is the European-inspired looks of the 2012 Ford Focus.

    I want to see more consumer driving views of this car, and it's not out yet. I read mid-February it will be in dealer lots. Hey, it's February 23, 2011, people! Anybody seen a '12 Ford Focus in a dealer lot yet? :D

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    All good points on the competition guys and gals but they're off topic in relation to the start of the conversation. The question is will the OP's current choice of the Focus be swayed by a competing model in the next two years? I still say no because:

    1. The new Elantra is out and the OP picked the Focus.
    2. The new Civic has been unveiled and still the OP picked the Focus. It's just a refresh, and a bad one, anyway.
    3. We all know the Corolla will be the same old melba toast car with a pointier nose. yeah, it'll still sell and we'll all continue to wonder why. :sick:
    4. The next Forte will probably be a refresh because I doubt Hyundai/Kia is now in the business of developing new platforms every 4 years (which is shared by the new Elantra BTW).
    5. The Mazda3 is the wildcard to me here. It could at least sway me from the Focus if Mazda gets back into the game with their styling but I just don't see it happening based on their showcars. The new Mazda5 is probably a good indication of what the 3 will look like soon.
    6. Does Mopar even make a small car anymore?
    7. Oh, almost forgot about the Cruze. Point proven for that one then. :P

    I'll keep an open mind as the years go by too but I'm not seeing anything great on the horizon that would change the OP's mind.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    edited February 2011
    As far as the OP goes, you assume he has done a solid comparison against those other cars. I don't. It's possible he has but I try not to assume things. He may just not like the looks of the others which is a totally subjective matter.

    I would probably agree that the Corolla will not challenge but again, do "we all know"? No, we don't. We can guess like you but we don't know.

    Regarding Forte, I don't believe the only way you can drastically improve a car is by completely changing platforms. What if they substantially upgraded the suspension/handling and put in the 2.0T with 270+ hp. Probably would create a lot of excitement along with tweaks to the exterior and interior. Not a whole new platform but a lot different car. I'm not suggesting it would happen but, again, an open mind.

    Glad you agree on the possibilities that Mazda3 may present in the near future.

    Like it or not, Mopar is doing some good things right now with their new bosses from Fiat. Things are changing and Fiat has said they will introduce a new compact/subcompact models to Mopar.....no timetable though. I wish them the best as competition is a good thing.

    Nothing wrong with the Cruze. Nice interior, decent looking and handles well, good mpg. Not quite as many pluses as the Focus IMO but still a nice car that could be made better given two years time.

    As far as knowing whether the OP will change his mind over the next two years? I'll let someone with a crystal ball do that.

    I will give you this though, IMO it is better than even odds that no better compact car will be available within the next couple of years.
  • leeswleesw Posts: 2
    CD’s short-take road test on the 2012 Focus is up. Their tests showed the 0-60 is 7.6 seconds with the automatic, which is darn good for a car that gets 37 mpg. I think unheard of for the C-segment. CD seems only mildly warm on the Focus, yet they raved over the current Mazda 3, which the Focus meets or exceeds in almost every category. Go figure.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    "As far as the OP goes, you assume he has done a solid comparison against those other cars. I don't."

    I don't either. The OP said the Focus was his/her choice and no assumptions are necessary as that is a plain fact. The rest of my post did contain my assumptions on why the OP may have come to that decision. Since those are my opinion they really have nothing to do with the fact that the OP chose the Focus already. I was just providing food for thought.

    "Regarding Forte, I don't believe the only way you can drastically improve a car is by completely changing platforms. "

    I agree with you and Kia could do something drastic to make it an excellent car out of it. One thing keeps me from believing that will happen though. Hyundai/Kia still like the role of the bargain, bang-for-the-buck brands and it's getting harder for them to do that. For example, the new Elantra is a really nice car I have to admit. But A/C is an option on the base model (one of the two available trims). Really? In 2011 A/C is optional? Their cost cutting methods are getting more deperate so they can keep the quality of everything else on par with the competition and still keep prices down. An Elantra Limited is nearly identical in price to a 2012 focus SEL sedan all things being just about equal wiht features and specs.

    Upping the game would hurt the bargain pricing they like to offer and I just don't see it happening in two years.

    "He may just not like the looks of the others which is a totally subjective matter. "

    Subjective, but totally relevent. However that is the one thing that does change through the years and is probalby the one thing that could make someone change their mind on what to buy over time especially if it is their only criteria for choosing.

    "Like it or not, Mopar is doing some good things right now with their new bosses from Fiat."

    I agree with you there. They still have too many "new" models that are the same old same old with new interiors though. A compact Fiat would probably be a worthy adversary to the Focus and its like given their European heritage.

    "Nothing wrong with the Cruze. Nice interior, decent looking and handles well, good mpg. Not quite as many pluses as the Focus IMO but still a nice car that could be made better given two years time. "

    There's also nothing really right about it either. It sits in the middle and knowing GM will stay there until it's time to change the name again. Cavalier, Cobalt, Cruze... The saga continues. Reminds me of Freestyle, Taurus X, Flex... (I currently drive a Flex BTW)

    "As far as knowing whether the OP will change his mind over the next two years? I'll let someone with a crystal ball do that. "

    That's one way to go about it. ;) I don't think anyone cares if the OP changes his/her mind but I can see how one would think that way. Obviously you and some others didn't and that's a valid argument too. I don't think it's right to say the OP should keep an open mind though because we don't know the criteria his/her choice was made on or what other factors may have been involved in the decision. Know what I mean?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited February 2011
    Is yours w/ the Mazda developed 2.3? That's the only 2.3 Focus available w/ auto tranny, which is also made by Mazda.

    Think about it. Like the Mazda3, it's got the Control-blade German-designed platform coupled w/ reliable Japanese-designed drivetrain -- can't think of a better car out there b/c the Mazda3 rides rough.

    I don't consider the new Focus as a small car anymore, not w/ that 6-ft overall width. Too bad the Fiesta got no multi-links.

    The Mustang is no comparison -- it still got Pinto's rear suspension...

    I'm gonna keep my excellent '07 Focus ST 2.3 stick for a very long time. The only thing I don't like about it is the smelly dashboard when exposed to sun or heater.
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