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2012 Ford Focus



  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited October 2012
    The lateral support of the ST driver seat extends so far forward that I can use it as an elbow-rest, so I can effortlessly rest my left hand on the steering-wheel spoke & operate the turn signal stalk full time.

    Due to the low height of the door armrest, the Golf VI is really bad in this area, while the new Jetta is even worse.

    No matter how much I hated my folks' Chevy Caprice & Chevette. At least they have high-enough door armrest for supporting the driver's elbow. Today, I wonder why only the Volvo C30/S40/V50 is truly thoughtful in this area, while the Mazda3 w/ same C-1 platform had an annoyingly low door armrest.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626
    ??? What point are you trying to make here??

    The "Confused Sandman" :confuse: :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Now people are forced into cheapers cars in order to avoid the "confusing center stack".
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I don't find the Golf to be all that cheap, and its controls are very clear. Ditto the Impreza... really straightforward.

    The Focus is proof that even an inexpensive car can have confusing controls.

    Awhile? It takes less than awhile fiddling w/ the read outs before you crash.

    Best to fiddle with controls while stopped... as I did with the Focus. In contrast, the Elantra GT has intuitive controls on the steering wheel to change and adjust the readouts.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited October 2012
    I paid under $20k (befored tax) for a '12 Golf 2.5 4-dr auto w/ Convenience package. It's quite inexpensive even when comparing to the Focus. Even though the interior feels rather high in quality, the smell of the plastic under long-term exposure to sun light doesn't. My '84 Jetta does not have this smell problem.

    Can you imagine what's gonna happen to the modular-platform Golf VII, which costs about 20% less to manufacture than the Golf VI?

    For 2013, the Golf 2.5 w/ moonroof also includes full remote buttons on the leather steering wheel.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I paid under $20k (befored tax) for a '12 Golf 2.5 4-dr auto w/ Convenience package. It's quite inexpensive even when comparing to the Focus.

    That's at least $2k more than a comparable Focus hatch, based on pricing I've done in the past year. Still a good deal though.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    How about the '13 Golf 2.5 w/ std rear A/C ducts. Does the Focus or the new (U.S.) Passat have it, even as an option?

    You'll probably gonna say it's pointless, as there's hardly anyone gonna hop into the back seat of the new Focus anway.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    Some people seem to really want rear ducts and it is important to them. IMO, if a small car has an adequate A/C-heat system it should be adequate to cool/heat the entire interior. Rear ducts are something that is nice but certainly not needed. Went 40 years without them and nobody was that bad off in the back seat. In a large luxury vehicle it is a different story....not only expected but probably needed for the comfort a luxury buyer demands.

    If a car has them fine, if not it's not big deal to me. It's certainly not something I even look for when buying a ca. But, like you say, I don't have back seat passengers all that often and when I do it is for fairly short distances.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited October 2012
    Sorry for the gripe, but my parents in the front seats of the Chevy Caprice got mad at me everytime when I asked them to turn up the A/C fan for us back-seat passengers, as that'll make them too cold :mad:

    Yeah, only those very few w/ short legs would bother hopping into the new Focus' back seat.

    Wait a minute. That means the roomy Golf is one-size larger than the new Focus! Boy, isn't the Golf truly inexpensive? (& not "Jetta" cheapo)

    No wonder by the 2014 Mk7 model, the Golf will no longer include the multi-link rear suspension as std feature! Otherwise, it'll make the Focus look really bad :P
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    OK, forget about the rear accomodation. Let's talk about the front-passenger comfort.

    So people are going for SUV/Van in order to get those chairs that aren't "too low for my taste"?

    How many thrifty (read reliable Japanese) cars out there offer seat-height (plus lumbar) adjustment for BOTH front seats, besides those RWD premium models such as the Lexus IS?

    The truly inexpensive "Focus-priced" Golf 2.5 does, while beats most Toyota's for reliability (per CR).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I was talking about the driver's seat.

    If you want to talk (endlessly at that) about the Golf, there's discussions for that.
  • 1st post here, but I have almost 10,000. miles on my 2012 ford focus it has been back to dealer 4 times, for grinding, shifting, sputtering, shuddering etc, had up date done, fixed another problem, but each time they make adjustment my car gets worse gas mileage, so I now get 27mpg on hwy and I still have all the same issues. We have meeting with GM at our dealer Sat. Hope they do something or i guess its time for lawyer and lemon law! They try to tel me nothing is wrong, but... when it gets me killed because it wont accelerate, or it shudders and stops at a light, then maybe they will finally really address the issue!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    Yours is obviously defective - try another dealer. Those aren't normal symptoms.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited November 2012
    OK, neither DSG nor DCT are truly fully developed. But we can still continue w/ the reliable manual transmission.

    It's "the Focus vs the old Focus vs the Golf" in terms of driving pleasure, & that's what sets it apart from Hyundai's, etc.

    See what AUTOCAR said: (1:57-3:20)
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    I bought a 2012 Focus SE auto hatchback for less than 20K. This car came with the sport pkg, Sync, moonroof, winter package and convenance package. I also have the auto shift, which once you learn how to use it correctly its a hoot to drive. I test drove all the competition and by far the interior of the Focus was head and shoulders above the Golf and Elantra. The only competition for the Focus is Mazda3 right now. The Mazda was the only car that even came close to interior fit/finish/materials. The Dodge Dart is the new kid on the block. I am going to test drive one this weekend. I read its interior is also of high quality/soft materials.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited November 2012
    About half a decade ago, I picked the Mk1 Focus 2.3 ST sedan, partly b/c the driver's door handle is not located annoyingly far aft like in the Mazda3 & Rabbit/GTI or even the
    S40/V50/MkII Focus. Now it's the other way around:

    MkIII Focus



    By the way, you sure the upper inside door panel of the Focus SE is better finished than Golf's?
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626
    Funny how we all have different opinions about this...I thought the Jetta/Golf had the nicer interior and the Focus and Elantra were pretty even on this score. I was very impressed with the SEL hatch I drove in that the leather seats were quite comfortable with a nice grade of leather and I loved the hatch. Didn't like the way it drove though but I'm sure it's something one could get used to. But it was a real looker though the price was way too much to pay for what one got. And not sure how the car would hold up. I've had my Civic going on almost 7 years now and I still get asked if it's a brand new model.

    Plan on having the wife drive one again just to make sure that it's not on her list anymore. Her '05 Mazda3 s just went over the 113k mark so it's just a matter of time now before we'll have to finally purchase her a new sled. Am very pleased with how it has held up over the years. Also, I really like the C-Max and I would look seriously at one if the price came in at a reasonable price.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Yeah, Ford needs to provide the C-Max version of the Focus in order to compete in rear leg room...

    So how competitive can the handling be w/ a higher roof like that?

    Like the C-Max, the new Jetta is unreliable, w/ lots of rear leg room & available hybrid powertrain. Unlike the C-Max, its roof isn't too high for sporty handling :P
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    Agreed, my DCT has been fine since re-flash. Go to another dealership. Sounds like the one you are bringing it to doesn't know what they are doing. You do know there is another flash that came out for this transmission right? I had mine re-programmed at about 3,000 miles and it stopped the rollback on a hill scenario and it smoothed out the lower end shifts. Plus, Americans are not used to this type of technology/transmission combination. I am a strong believer there is a learning curve in knowing how these transmissions work and behave.
  • OK I have had my 2012 Focus SEL for 6 months now and about 6500 miles. Overall I love this car. I am 49 years old and wanted something fun to drive. If you google Doug Hacker from Milford Ohio you will find an article that interviewed me when I was picking out a new car. I really wanted to buy a corolla S but I just could not pull the trigger. The Focus started out great. I feel really good about buying a Ford because of the history of the company and they did not take the Big 0 bailout. Shortly after the purchase the transmission and Mytouch really pushed me to the limits but after the 5000 mile mark the "fussy" transmission has settled down and to be honest the my touch still has its flaws but I know that Ford will not give up and with a few more updates I believe it will be great in the long haul. I could of bought the bullet proof Corolla but I can tell you the the Focus is a blast to drive if you can understand the fact that it is a automated manual and not a auto you will love it too. I agree with the person that said its only competitor is the Mazda 3. I have been getting 33 mpg on average and it has not been back 1 time for warranty work. If you look at the reliabilty websites it is getting bad reviews because of the My touch and the misunderstanding of the transmission. This is a really cool car and by the way I got it for $5500 under sticker which puts it in the right price range.
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