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2011 Ford Explorer

Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,032
edited December 2010 in Ford
The 2011 Explorer is set to launch and Ford is in the house! Please post your questions and comments here. A representative of Team Detroit will be providing more information and answering your questions.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,942
    We're going unibody. Same platform that's used by the Ford Flex so it should ride more like a car than a truck.

    Spy Photos: 2011 Ford Explorer Spotted in Dearborn (Straightline)

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    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • no more lift packages and less durable :mad: thanks ford!
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,047
    What's going to be the main differences between the Edge, Flex and Explorer? It seems like at least two of these are going to be so close...why have two?
  • vrmvrm Posts: 303
    When will the 2011 Explorer show up on the dealer lots?
    Has Ford announced any dates yet?
  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    Edge and Explorer will both be SUVish crossovers, with some mild off road ability. Edge with five passengers, Explorer with seven.

    Flex is a pure family hauler, with no off road pretensions.
  • nextmoonnextmoon Posts: 386
    I spoke with a representative from Ford at the NY Auto show and he saids it's to debut in summer time. It will not be at a auto show but at some event. He didn't have any more info then that as he saids corporate was tight lipped about it.
  • Any word on what advanced safety features like adaptive cruise control, pre-colision systems, blind spot information, cross traffic warning, heads up display and other devices will be available on the 2011 Explorer?
  • berriberri Posts: 4,270
    So what's everyone's verdict? Now that I've seen the whole vehicle I'm not sure about the back third. I guess I'll have to see it in person so I can better understand the proportions. The grill is a bit like an electric razor, but the car doesn't seem bad overall. The two issues I'm wondering about is whether the driver foot well will have the same kind of cramped feeling as the new Taurus (can't really tell in the pictures) and how much usable hauling space. I had a '99 and it didn't really hold much more than a CRV. I think this is a noticeably larger vehicle though?
  • vrmvrm Posts: 303
    Lets get the model year straight first. This is a 2011 and not 2100. In the year 2100 the Explorer will not use fossil fuel to power its engine.

    The vehicle looks great and puts both Honda and Toyota on notice. It boldly announces that there is a new sheriff in town. I predict that the Explorer will win back market share from the Pilot and Highlander.

    The Nissan Pathfinder will have to find a new path soon. Nissan better redesign the Pathfinder. The Pathfinder performance & gas mileage are lame when compared to this vehicle.
  • tangmantangman Posts: 127
    Does the 2011 have a transfer case for low 4 wheel drive. Or is it just an AWD car that has an SUV look? Anyone see what the 4x4 version weight?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    No transfer case, no 4X4 low.

    Most buyer never make use of 4X4 low so no big loss there.

    FWD or F/awd like the Escape and Venza.

    Hazardous in the very conditions for which many of us have learned to rely on more functional 4WD systems, R/awd systems, OLD Explorer and 4runner, for instance.

    Ford = IDIOTS.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Don't start your crap here. It's not hazardous at all.

    Ford sold 52K old explorers last year. They'll sell at least 100K of the new ones - maybe 150K. It has everything that modern consumers want - SUV style and looks, mild off-road abilities, great fuel economy and lots of gadgets plus a very nice interior.

    Tangman - it's a FWD/AWD system just like the Flex, MKS, Taurus, etc.but it has more sophisticated controls which combine changes to throttle response, torque distribution, etc. to handle sand, mud, snow, etc. It also includes hill descent control and more ground clearance than your traditional crossover.

    It's still a soft-roader - but looks like it will be one of the best. And since that's what sold the vast majority of the original ones I think it will be a hit.

    Pay no attention to wwest - he lives in some alternate reality world where the laws of physics are reversed.
  • fawltytowers44fawltytowers44 Posts: 58
    edited July 2010
    Strange comments by wwest: The AWD/4wd system is excellent and serves 99.8% of everyone's needs including those of BOF Explorer owners. There are other fine Ford vehicles available for the 0.2% who believe they need them.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Anytime you drive in adverse wintertime road conditions while relying ONLY on the front wheels for drive traction, engine braking, AND stearing control you will be at risk moreso than even a simple RWD vehicle.

    "...Ford sold 52K old explorers last year..."

    Yes, and EVERY one of those represented a much more safe platform than the new one can ever hope to be.

    I would bet you good money that if the new Explorer F/awd model doesn't already have the ability to disable TC, Traction Control, in order to get up and moving on a slick roadbed, or even UNSTUCK, it soon will have.

    While it is really nice that these new F/awd systems will PRE-EMPTIVELY engage the rear drive at the most likely times of need (acceleration from a stop or low speed) the flip side of all that is that you will find yourself "dead in the water", completely so, should the front wheels slip due to drive torque subsequent to rear drive engagement.

    These days with the technology so common, readily available across the market, and reasonably inexpensive, no manufacturer will risk loss of control due to loss of traction on the front wheels, FWD or F/awd.

    So, for safties sake, today's FWD and F/awd vehicles will INSTANTLY dethrottle the engine while simultaneously using the brakes to alleviate the possibility of loss of directional control once front wheelspin/slip due to engine torque is detected.
  • cohenfivecohenfive Posts: 85
    i think ford is doing the right thing by designing a vehicle that meets the needs of 95% of potential buyers...the other 5% will be 'relegated' to the bigger pure trucks in the lineup. the interior and exterior looks good to me (not sure about the rear third yet), and we'll see how it stacks up in terms of fuel economy vs the competition but it sounds like it should be at least on par. i can see getting one of these in a year or two to tow a small camper trailer which we don't yet have....:) you have to like what ford is doing as a company these days!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Most Fords now have electronic traction control whether they're FWD, AWD or RWD. They apply brakes to the spinning wheel to transfer torque to the other wheel. If that doesn't work then it will cut engine torque. Every vehicle also allows you to turn off Traction Control when you need wheel spin such as going up a snowy hill.

    There is nothing dangerous about FWD only in the wintertime. Take your crusade and incorrect information somewhere else.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    But they'll now be going up against the Toyota Highlander, MDX, etc.

    I admit that I like, really like, everything I see about the new Explorer with the exception of the drivetrain, the lack of a DFI engine, non-turbo DFI engine, and the apparent loss of the Sport-Trac.

    And one really does wonder that since the Escape is experiencing so many PTO/PTU failures with this very same drivetrain design has the Explorer version been beefed up enough mechainically, made more robust, to not only overcome those failures but in a much heavier vehicle to boot.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Sorry, no...!

    While I wish, sincerely wish, you were correct the facts differ in a significant way.

    You are correct in that once wheelspin/slip is detected the brakes will be used, moderately applied, in order to sustain engine torque at a fairly high level for any wheel(s) that remain with traction. The bad news is that with FWD or F/awd the potential for loss of directional control in this instance is so great that the engine is also fully dethrottled simultaneously.

    So there you sit, "STUCK".

    Toyota has already adopted a TC disable PB for just this very reason. If the driver is involved, makes a conscious decision, to risk an accident or even injury via disabling a safety function then that alleves the manufacturer of liability, at least somewhat.

    Many RWD and R/awd vehicles now use TC in much the same manner with the exception that engine dethrotting is delayed for a few hundred milliseconds to give the driver an opportunity to react by "feathering" the throttle. Since with RWD or R/awd wheelspin/slip there is no real threat to safety the brakes are only used, differentially, to simulate an LSD or to prevent overheating of the brakes in case the driver is an idiot.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    So where does the safety risk come in? Allowing a FWD to spin the wheels or not allowing it to spin the wheels?

    As long as you're moving traction control helps you maintain steering control.

    If you stop, turning off traction control lets you dig through loose sand or snow to find traction. You only start moving once you get traction and if you have traction then you have steering control.

    Driving a FWD with TC turned off is no different than driving FWD with no traction control which we did for decades.

    You have no idea what you're talking about. Why don't you share with everyone else what vehicle YOU drive and how you think summer only tires are better in the wintertime.
  • fawltytowers44fawltytowers44 Posts: 58
    edited July 2010
    This wwest post would be just humorous if not for the misinformation, disinformation and contradictions relating to driver safety it contains. Instead the post could be dangerous for people not familiar with the real world safety enhancements of AWD. Best to ignore essentially all of wwest posts as the noise of a prankster.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...So where does the safety risk come in.."

    If you're stopped, stuck, or moving only very slowly there is, basically, no risk to a FWD or F/awd vehicle operating on a slippery surface. On the other hand if you at a speed, and road conditions, wherein momentum will be a serious factor in maintaining, helping to maintain, or worse yet, adverse to directional control then you quite clearly need the entire traction coefficient dedicated to lateral control. So, as you can readily see, a slipping or spinning front drive wheel or wheels can almost instantly result in loss of directional control.

    A spinning or slipping rear wheel can also prove to be detrimental, especailly to a driver inexperienced with driving on adverse or slippery road conditions. But again, and anyone can see, directional control is easily, more easily vs FWD or F/awd. maintained.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Unfortunately he's not a prankster - he actually believes what he says.

    We've had the same discussion on multiple forums but he still thinks he's right and everyone else in the world is wrong.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Can you tell me why you insist on attacking me personally, in a global" sense instead of using your intelligence, logic and obvious knowledge to refute my thoughts and logical positions...?

    Why not, instead, advise everyone, in detail, what, where, and how I'm wrong??

    "Instead the post could be dangerous for people not familiar with the real world safety enhancements of AWD."

    How so..?

    No one is denying that there are safety enhancements to "AWD", even F/awd.

    But ALL have limitations, some more detrimental than others.

    Would you much rather that everyone be blind to the shortcomings of the differing, VASTLY differing, "AWD" systems out there in the marketplace today? Maybe so, since you seemingly insist on continuing to use the "AWD" term generically rather than even adopting the more definite F/awd or R/awd terms.
  • vrmvrm Posts: 303
    The Range Rover will give you the options you are looking for. However, it will only cost $35,000 more than the Ford Explorer.

    Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is??
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I would first buy the 4runner.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...Why don't you share with everyone else what vehicle you drive.."

    My daily driver is a 2001 F/awd RX300.

    Also have a 1994 R/awd Ford Aerostar for "planned" excursions into wintertime conditions, snow skiing, etc.

    2001 Porsche 911/996 C4 that remains garaged throughout the winter.

    And yes, I am of the firm belief that on ice and packed snow a summer tire with more surface contact area will always outperform most any specialty winter tire. For those "in between" conditions I always have a set of tire chains on board the RX, two sets in wintertime. First set for the rear wheels and second set for the fronts if need be.

    I do live and work on the Seattle eastside so I more often go to wintertime conditions rather than have them come to me.
  • They are dominant when it comes to sales and they are the dominant SUV in North America.The new 2011Ford Explorer is seems an updated version of the Taurus X, which is a good one........., one of my friend had one for last 3 years and love it. I hope this new Explorer 2011 should be great, looking forward to getting the first one that arrives at our dealer. So atleast I can get to drive it once.................. :)
  • I must be one of those few folks hat is not willing to compromise on safety when I moving around the Blue Ridge Mountains here in Virginia. What I am looking for is the full-time all-wheel-drive mid-size SUV that MINIMIZES the chance of EVER losing traction, anytime, anywhere.
    I don't care about F/awd, R/awd, TC or any other cheaper way of getting the job done for the 95% solution.
    Does any current AWD system in a mid-size SUV or crossover (other than Range Rover) offer at least some torque full-time to all four wheels?
    This sounds like Subaru to me but what about Ford, GMC, Jeep?
    Do those of you who know more than me have any suggestions without telling me I ought to be satisfied with that 95% solution?
    Thanks.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Subaru, Jeep Grand Cherokee are probably your best bets.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited August 2010
    I am of the understanding that the Toyota 4runner has a full-time R/awd system that uses a "Torsen" center torque sensing differential ("transfer case") to dynamically allocate engine torque to the front driveline. It also has the ability to lock the center differential for a true 4WD "part-time" mode.

    I don't remember if it has a true 4X4 mode, granny-grunt low range, but I consider that useless for my purposes anyway.

    Once the 4runner V6 gets DFI and a 6(9) speed automatic it will be a real contender for my next SUV purchase.

    Now that the Explorer has gone over to the 95% market, FWD or F/awd, the 4runner is likely to have the 3rd seat row market in it's class all to itself. On the other hand we might soon see the 4runner shifting over toward the 95% market using the new electrohydraulic clutch system but to couple in the front drive dynamically just as Porsche now does with the new 911/997 C4 and C4S.

    Unlike the Torsen the new electrohyraulic coupling system could easily reduce the torque drive to the front incrementally as lateral, turning, G-forces build up.

    A 4runner with a DFI V6, 6 speed, and electrohydraulic, dynamically coupled or LOCKED front drive (no weighty transfer case), and I would dump my RX300 IMMEDIATELY.
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