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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    I'm highly skeptical any time I hear a dealer who says that. Remember the spiff check I mentioned? If the dealer sells it to you at the X plan price without a X plan pin that means they just gave away a $500 check from Ford. Why would they do that? It almost always means they're making more than $500 elsewhere in the deal. Doc fees on X plan are limited to $100. How much are their doc fees without X plan? Most places charge $400 or more. Without X plan they can charge you additional fees and force you to buy aftermarket add-ons with huge markups. They can also keep all or part of the incentives including dealer cash. With X plan that is strictly prohibited.

    The only way to be sure is to get an itemized buyer's order showing the vehicle price and all of the fees and add-ons. It's called Out the Door pricing - everything included. Then you can see the price and all the extra stuff and you can easily compare that to the X plan price.

    I recommend getting the X plan from Gary as offered - that way you know exactly what you're getting and you won't have to worry about hidden fees or waste time. Unless the dealer is desperate there's no good reason for them to go below X plan pricing on such a new and popular vehicle.

    Caveat Emptor!
  • pg822pg822 Posts: 12
    Allen

    Thanks for all of your advice.... I appreciate it. The Doc fee they are charging for a non-X Plan is $156, so that seems reasonable. I had them provide an "out the door" quote and everything matched up to the $100 over invoice price that I calculated with the exception of the dreaded "advertising fee" which I have never been able to get out of. This matches the X-Plan price. Overall, I am very pleased with the deal, especially since it is a new model. If they make a little money on the back end from Ford, I don't really care. I went into this process with the intention of getting a price close to invoice. I got that so I am not going to worry about what they are or aren't getting on the manufacturer. Based on your advice, I will verify from them again that there are no other "add-on" charges before I place the order on Saturday. I am looking forward my dark gray Limited! Should be a fun ride!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    If you're sure there are no add-ons or extra fees and the doc fee is only $156 then that's a great deal. The advertising fee is part of the dealer invoice and is already included in the X plan price. It's a legitimate charge to the dealer.

    Just keep your eyes open and make sure nothing extra gets slipped in. Should be dealer invoice + $100 plus $156 doc fee plus tax, tag, title or any other gov't required fees - nothing else. Good luck!

    Just for grins - ask the dealer why they would sell it for the X plan price without a X plan pin and why they would give up the spiff check. Just curious.
  • pg822pg822 Posts: 12
    Thanks... I will ask that question. Thanks for the advice/guidance too!
  • Yes I am late to the party, but for the genious who mentioned the tape measure for quirky cargo shapes/sizes (berri?) i can't agree more. You didn't happen to jot those ford explorer 2011 measurements anywhere??? I haul paintings which are not flexible at all.....
  • mojaymojay Posts: 8
    Anyone know if there a way to get captain's chairs in any model other than Limited? I don't need/want the extra "stuff" on the limited but want captain's chairs. Think they could be special ordered and installed by dealer?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
  • mojaymojay Posts: 8
    for a 2011?? Sorry if I wasn't specific.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I doubt if the seat tracks/mounts have been revised since the Ford FreeStyle came to market.

    I put RX300 seats, w/memory even, in my E350 MH
  • Hope everyone had a fantastic weekend :) Just wanted to share some great news with you all! The 2011 Ford Explorer has won the 2011 North American Truck of the Year Award!! Woot Woot!

    Check out Mark Fields acceptance speech here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx5mndPLDj0
  • Allen,

    If you have a pin, is there a way of checking vehicle price without going into the dealer? I have Vin, dealer zip etc.

    Thanks Ryn
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    If you got the pin from a Ford employee you should have been given access to the friends and neighbors website which will give you access to dealer inventory and x plan prices. Ask the employee that gave you the pin.

    If you got it through the Ford Partner website you can get them there. Go to the pricing page and do a Dealer Inventory Search.

    If that doesn't work email me and I'll see if I can help.
  • Thanks Allen
  • When will production begin of the 2011 Explorer with the I-4 EcoBoost Engine.?
  • scottphillipscottphillip Posts: 249
    edited January 2011
    I am looking for a new vehicle and presently have a large V8 car. I thought I would try a CUV. I like a smooth ride and cutting edge technology. Does the Explorer ride as well as the Flex? I do not need the passenger room, but I like good-visibility and a comfort. The Flex seems as comfortable as the MKT to me. My dealer doesn't have a loaded Explorer LTD for me to drive. MyFord seems intriguing inspite of the lackluster reviews. BTW, I am also a Ford stockholder.
    I'd prefer to spend less than $50,000. :confuse:
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,822
    Well they've only been out barely a week so you may not get much feedback on the ride. Give it a couple of weeks for more stock to roll in.

    Keep in mind that as a shareholder you get special pricing. Contact shareholder services to get a PIN number. IIRC, it's about $100 over invoices and you get all incentives available.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    It should ride as well as the Flex if not better. Of course you'd have to drive one to be sure.
  • This is a fabulous site, thanks Ford. I spent about two hours examining and sitting in the Explorer at the 2011 LA Auto show, along with a handful of other Gear Heads and we were all impressed beyond expectations by the design and build quality as well as the quality of materials used. It is also an exceptionally well thought out vehicle, and for me one of only three vehicles where I am comfortable in the driver's seat, the other two being the Sequoia Platininum, and the Volvo XC90 - pretty good company. This is the first time in 30 years that I have been motivated to buy American. I will be renting one from my local specialty rental agency to drive for a couple of days once they get one in - there is a waiting list to rent one already!
  • Glad to hear your comments. We are down to a one car household in my anticipation of buying a 2011 Explorer with the EcoBoost I-4 engine which will not be available until later this quarter. Sold a 07 Yukon with 116K miles not wanting to take the hit using it as trade-in. I haven't even seen a new Explorer on the road here in Houston...only in the rail yard where most of the cars arrive before being trucked to the dealers. I have read everything I can about the car, tried pricing it out but no cost yet posted for the I-4 engine, and have had some contact with the local dealers. Would be interested in your evaluation after you drive one..
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Expect about a $4,000 to $7,000 price "boost" for an Explorer with an EcoBoost engine. That's the way it seems to be priced on other Ford models for which it's already vailable.
  • @fawltytowers44 Thanks so much for sharing your first hand experience in the car! It's awesome to hear your all your feedback!!!
  • guy27guy27 Posts: 3
    Has anyone towed with the new Explorer? Now that it has a unibody (car) frame, I am concerned that it will have a "bouncy" ride when towing. I tow a smaller camper, about 3000#. The power should be enough with HP and torque, but what about the ride?
    Thanks.
    Guy
  • Has anyone checked if you can put 4 golf bags in the read with the 2nd row seats up. I'd like to carry them parallel to the rear axles.
  • tap24tap24 Posts: 7
    edited January 2011
    I tried new XLT today without a sunroof. Love the car's ride and looks. Big improvement in headroom over version with sunroof I tried last week (probably 2-3" difference). I am 6'2" with long torso and I sit very upright. I fit a little better in the Flex, but am not into its looks or clunkiness. Also looking Buick Enclave, but not sure about quality of GM (all prior cars Acuras and Infinitis). My only issue is whether I am too high on the windshield in the 2011 XLT. The 2011 Ex. seems to have a more angled (toward horizontal) windshield, thus making it shorter from top to bottom. I feel that the visor is close to my line of sight -- even with seat all the way down. Anyone else feel this way? Enclave seems to have a slightly taller windshield. Any input appreciated.
  • bretebrete Posts: 8
    What are the current incentives ford has on the explorer?what are the current lease rates, (money factor and residual value) on a 24 and 36 month lease?

    Thanks
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,699
    There is a leasing forum where you can get the answer.
    It's probably better to ask your questions there.
  • @brete Great question! For incentives and info on lease rates, it would be best to check with your local dealer.

    You can head over here to check for incentives! You can put in the vehicle you are looking to purchase and your zip code: http://www.ford.com/incentives/

    On the http://www.ford.com/ site, you can select a vehicle and click the "Pricing Tab", which lists Best Lease Offer. There's an option to request a local quote there too!

    Hope this helps :)
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited January 2011
    Marielleleigh;

    Did you ever answer may question about driveline component cooling...?

    The Ford Escape and Mercury Mariner F/awd system has suffered through premature PTO and/or rear diff'l failures for many years now. While Mazda seemingly had the good sense to provide water cooling for the PTO on their otherwise virtualy duplicate F/awd system.

    At the Seattle auto show it looked to me as if Ford might be providing water cooling, engine coolant, for the PTO and the rear diff'l. Is that the case, either, or...??
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,699
    We have 2 Escapes (04 and 09). I also follow some Escape websites.
    I'm not sure what this PTO/rear diff problem is. I have not heard about it before.
    Can you provide some more details?
  • steevosteevo Posts: 331
    Does the lease calculator on your website use the current Money Factor and residual percentages based on zip code, or is it just high end estimate?
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