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Toyota Sequoia vs Chevy Suburban, Chevy Tahoe, GMC Yukon XL

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  • cmuehlenbcmuehlenb Posts: 1
    If you have to tow 7600 lbs thru mountains, which would be better?

    I am a stickler for quality and think Toyota has the best made high production vehicles in the world. However, I wasn't considering the Sequoia because I thought it would be too whimpy. Anyone know what a Sequoia 4x4 will tow? Anyone know what the K1500 Yukon XL will tow to compare?
  • nboylenboyle Posts: 3
    The decision to buy one vs. another, in the end, comes down to personal preferences. I've got a good basis to compare the two. I've got a Yukon XL (4WD, 1500, SLE) and my brother-in-law and co-worker have a Sequoia.

    I bought the Yukon because i've got 6 kids and need the interior room. The third seat in the Yukon has foot wells vs. the Toyota being a bench without a well for feet. there's no question that the Yukon has more room for a growing family, including the ability to get 9 passenger seating, more room behind the third seat.

    My brother-in-law/coworker bought the Sequoia because he perceived there to be a quality difference. I encouraged him to look at the Yukon/Tahoe (not Yukon XL/Suburban), but he didn't even test drive it. He owned a GM product 15 years ago and will never own another. He uses the Toyota to tow a horse trailer and is somewhat disappointed that his Toyota didn't come with adequate trailer wiring (and the Toyota dealer wouldn't install it), and the truck doesn't have the towing capacity that the Yukon XL 1500 has.

    I've driven both trucks and frankly prefer the Yukon XL ... it has much more room at the drivers seat (I'm 6'6") and the seats seem to adjust more. The Toyota seems smoother accelerating and braking and you can see better out the back window from the drivers seat.

    The bottom line is that if i had it to do over gain i'd still buy the Yukon XL/Suburban and he'd buy another Sequoia. Personal preference.
  • My wife is pregnant with our third child and I haven't room for a third child seat in our current vehicle. We'll need to upgrade this fall. I owned a Mini-Van once, but prefer a full size SUV. I have been looking at the Sequoia, Yukon and now '03 Expedition. They are approximately the same price with similar options.

    Anyone want to factor the newest Ford Expedition into this debate?
  • pschreckpschreck Posts: 524
    As far as size, if you need the room, the Sequoia is not as large as the Sub/XL. These vehicles really shouldn't be compared for this reason. I own a Sequoia and absolutely love it. But if your main criteria is size, then it can't compete. However if you want a highly reliable SUV with a Full Time 4WD system (can be run in any conditions including dry pavement), Vehicle Stability Control, plenty of second and third row leg room, great safety ratings and a smooth as butter engine, then be sure to check out the Sequoia.
  • fanman8fanman8 Posts: 65
    Thank you Therube for that articulate synopsis of these SUV's.
  • raddboy41raddboy41 Posts: 249
    He'll go away. He's shown up in a couple other forums baiting people into responding to his inarticulate postings.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,184
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  • dratnoldratnol Posts: 2
    I purchased a Toyota Sequoia and it was a huge mistake. This is the biggest piece of crap ever made. I have taken this vechile back to the dealer five times now and it still runs like crap. It also doesn't handle worth a dang in the snow. The Suburban is by far a much better ride and is actually built. Don't buy this tinny piece of junk called a Sequoia. I wish I hadn't!!
  • 2heeldrive2heeldrive Posts: 87
    It's ok, everyone screws up now and then. Your mistake is trying to trash an excellent vehicle that has a well documented history of reliability. Are you getting paid by the post? You have posted the same worthless message on every board that discusses the Sequoia.
  • nodefectnodefect Posts: 26
    Latest customer satifaction ranking from JD Powers.

    1. Toyota
    2. Honda
    3. GM

    Enough said !!!!!!!!!!!!
    Ford, Chysler ? a bit farther down the list.

    It's said isn't it ? A country as big and powerful as ours cannot build the best and safest cars in the world ! It is joke !!!!!!
  • jaw2000jaw2000 Posts: 133
    WHere do you think the Toyotas and Hondas are assembled?

    ANd was this for all vehicles or just SUVs?

    By the way, many GMs are assembled in Mexico too, as are Fords.

    Just wanted to add those small details.

    One more thing, if memory serves, Mitsubishis are assembled in Illinois, Hondas in South Carolina, Toyotas in California (?).

    Customer satisfaction also has much to do with brand loyalty.

    On that note, I say I cannot imagine ever owning another 'American' car, but I also cannot imagine ever owning another 'Japanese' truck.
  • nodefectnodefect Posts: 26
    Boy! I did not know my Sequoia was built in Indiana, and my Accord in Ohio and the Tacoma in California and the MDX in Canada. C'mon tell something I don't know. I also did not know my 94 Grand Cherokee had a Mitsubishi transmittion. Cars are made all over, from plants all over the world. Please ! everybody knows that.

    It all has to do with the company and their company standards. It is not the workers fault American cars stink ! The American workers are great ! It is the company heads who skimp on their vehicles to increase their profits

    Here's the ultimate difference ! GM takes Chevy parts and puts them into their Cadilac. Toyota takes Lexus parts and puts them in to Toytota.

    GM trickles junk up, Toyota trickles quality down.

    Sorry I cannot agree with you because I would like to. The Big 3 have earned their crappy reputation. I refuse to spend my money with a company that refuses to build a better vehicle. They flat out REFUSE ! They have taken advantage of the American consumer long enough.

    I am sorry I refuse to spend $40,000 on a vehicle that has no road feel, poor workmanship, poor reliability, poor customer service, poor paint job, poor fitting panels etc. etc. etc.

    They are in fact more powerful, I give you that! but that's as far as it goes.

    Buy a Chevy buy the best, drive a mile walk the rest!

    Now I know why thery equip their vehicles with OnStar. You need it to be located when your vehicle quits.
  • jaw2000jaw2000 Posts: 133
    What makes you think that parts are parts. In other words why would Toyota desire to reduce profits by making a part that for a Lexus now fit a Toyota?

    I suspect that a part is a part, if it happens to work in multiple autos then glory be to the mfr who just saved money in design by making one thing work in more than one place.

    I further suspect that all makers have % of lemons, my sister owned a 80 something Celica, it was of all the cars in my lifetime the absolute worst vehicle any of us can remember.

    Conversely, I owned a thrice used 78 Olds Cutlass Supreme, I got it a 87,000, and I rolled it over to a new total of 217,00 before I got rid of it, I did get the tranny overhauled/rebuilt that was it.

    So I maintain that owner loyalty has more to do with 'who is best' in today's environment than anything else.

    In fact (if my economics classes were at all correct), now all the auto makers employ a design through to manufacture and sale philosophy that is very similar to the Japanese model that resulted in savings to design and build.

    Anyway, enjoy what you have, as I know I will, but I doubt seriously that you (or I) would come back and admit that what we have is crap -- even it proves to be so.

    That is not human nature.
  • I just bought my '02 Suburban, and I love it!. I drove, compared like models, and priced them all. I got 0% for 60 months at a price below dealer invoice (and well below Edmunds TMV). Loaded LS Leather, towing, ect., for under 35K....did I mention 0% for 60 months?

    We family road trip every weekend for soccer tournaments, second row buckets are a must. We definitely got the dark gray carpet because of mud.

    I loved my Tahoe, even with the minor problems you get with any car and the price was right for the upgrade. The burb actually priced lower than the new Tahoe. My wife LOVES it AND that means much more sex for me! (I really really like that part of the deal)

    Jeff
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,900
    I have a 99 Suburban that is 4 years old and not one trouble.. I have a 94 Toyota PU that is a total piece of crap... Clutch at 12K miles not covered by warranty, engine at 90K while up in the Sierras, cost me a fortune.. I'll never consider another Toyota... Oh and I bought a new Toyota Landcrusier in 1964 it had lots of engine troubles...I thought after 30 years they would learn how to build an engine, wrong... Toyota is over rated...
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    You really should learn to express your true feelings and not repress them! ;-)

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  • thibberthibber Posts: 1
    People who think the garbage pumped out by american automakers in the 80s is indicitative of todays GM vehicles are living in some kind of blind Japanese manufacturing worship myopia. GM is bumping on toyotas door in the latest JD power surveys, and the differences in the top ten automakers makers is marginal. Toyota quality is still the best, but the gap is becoming statistically insignificant marketing hype. It is no longer a primary differentiator in vehicle selection except for the ignorant, those who can't let go of old scars from the 70's and 80's, and those who just like to bash American manufacturing for the fun of it. Get the facts straight about current GM quality before going off half-cocked about some god forsaken oil buring Chevette you owned in 1976...
  • nodefectnodefect Posts: 26
    I just drove my friends 2001 Tahoe with 20,000 miles on it to his home from the airport. WHAT A RATTLE TRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!! The steering was extremely loose. Sorry! the gap has not closed as much as you think ! Typical Big 3 shotty workmanship.

    The Big 3 has the technology and work force to build the best cars in the world, they just flat out refuse to do it.

    The only reason they are now TRYING to build a better car is because the Japanese (mainly Toyota) has kicked our butts as far as design, workmanship and production.

    I hate to feel this way believe me ! But I will spend my hard earned money on a vehilce that will be traded in when I want to trade it, not because I have to trade it.

    The Big 3 has gone out of their way to earn their reputation, now they will have to go out of their way to earn my business again. At this point they are nowhere near that level of quality.

    Cars are too expensive to have it breaking down at 36,000 miles. I will buy Toyota until the Big 3 can prove to me they will build cars at that level of quality.

    Today's drive just reinforced my opinion of the Big 3.
  • My problem with Ford & GM right now, is that they claim they will be able to return to or sustain profitability through.... cost cutting. Any time you embark on a cost cutting mission, quality suffers. To maintain profitability, Ford and GM need to endure some short term losses, truly get the quality of their interior components (I think their drive trains are okay by and large), raise prices, and make money.

    Ford, GM, and Chrysler all underprice their products compared to foreign competitors, and the demand for Toyota and Honda products continues to increase. Instead of worrying about quarterly profits, spend some money on developing higher quality components, and people will be willing to pay for it.
  • pschreckpschreck Posts: 524
    Interesting. I know it's JUST his tranny, but I find it hard to believe that he's still "proud".

    #2545 of 2552  New Owner w/Question by tom213  Aug 18, 2002 (08:50 pm)

    Friday night I became the proud new owner of a Tahoe (Redfire Metalic)LT, 4WD, with a lot of other goodies and now have a grand total of 101 miles on the odometer. I couldn't pass up the end of model year deals and 0% financing deal going on. Anyway, I noticed a, for lack of a better term, a jerking motion when I was on the turnpike today. The engine was running smooth (RPM steady) and tow/haul mode was off, transmission seems to shift fine, and autotrac was not on (2HI light ON). I also took it on a highway that was recently paved to rule out it being caused by road flaws. When I got home, with the engine still running, I checked the transmission fluid and it was right at the very bottom of the cross-hash marks, so maybe this is the cause?? So I'm stopping by the dealer after work tomorrow to get some fluid added to see if this does the trick. Has anyone else experienced anything similar? It's not a severe jerking motion, but it is noticeable as speed increases.
  • nodefectnodefect Posts: 26
    Buy a Chevy, buy the best.
    Drive a mile, walk the rest !

    I heard that GM has another limited time offer !

    Buy any GM product and not only get 0% financing for 60 months; act now and receive a free tow truck.
  • I agree that toyota builds a superior product. I've only put gas and oil - and brake pads in both my camry and 4runner. However rust is taking it's toll. My camry I replaced with a '00 bonneville and have had no problems after two years. Needed bigger car and saved 7,000 over an Avalon. Now looking to replace the 4 runner and 45000 for a Sequoia (that's all I've seen on local lots) vs 30,000, after discounts, for a Tahoe/Yukon seems like an easy choice. I'm willing to put up with some trips to the service dept to save well over 10,000. I don't think it really costs toyota that much more to build their vehicles. I feel they are trying to take advantage of their loyal customers.
  • nodefectnodefect Posts: 26
    My Sequoia listed for $45,371.00, I paid 40,260.00. The Yukons and Tahoes I looked at were right there in price. The 03 Expedition was more and the Envoy XL was $40,000.00. I do not see where Toyota is taking advantage. The Toyota has much higher resale!!! So in the life of the vehicle the Toyota is probably cheaper to buy. You already know it is more more reliable.
  • suvjoe3suvjoe3 Posts: 3
    I've read up on the Suburban, Expedition, Sequoia , Escalde etc. Is the Surburban piston slap issue a real issue or a group of unlucky consumers ? I checked and their is serious complaints across the board on all these SUV's , what am i to believe? Any advice ?
  • suvjoe3suvjoe3 Posts: 3
    Correction Suburbans torque rate is 325@4000rpm & Seqouia is 315@3400 , the weight difference is right at 253lbs ,roughly one fat guy. I think they are right about equal .
  • pschreckpschreck Posts: 524
    What serious complaints have you read about the Sequoia? Just wondering, because my reading of the GM boards tells me that they have serious problems while the Sequoia board mainly has inconviences.

    If you need the size or towing capacity of a Suburban, then you need a Suburban. The Sequoia can't compete in those respects.

    If you want a quality built, highly dependable truck, then you go with the Sequoia. GM can't compete in those respects.

    Just my observations after owning several GM trucks and one Toyota truck.
  • xyz71xyz71 Posts: 179
    Go to Edmunds new car site- look up Surburban or Sequoia - click on true cost to own -

    Some interesting info

    The resale of the Surburban (after 5 years) is higher than the Toy - even though the original purchase price is lower.

    Overall cost of Surburban (over 5 years and 15K miles per year) is about $2,500 less.
  • pschreckpschreck Posts: 524
    Did they factor in the fact that the Toyota has a better and longer lasting warranty?
  • xyz71xyz71 Posts: 179
    Yes - the repair cost is only for items not covered by the warranty.

    Go take a look for yourself - it shows all the details - including insurance, interest & taxes

    The thing that is a little bit of a shock - total cost per mile is $.66 for the Sub /$.69 for the Toy - not the $.03 difference - but I never really calculated the total cost per mile - Oh well can't take it with you!
  • suvjoe3suvjoe3 Posts: 3
    I checked the "Problems & Solutions" on the Sequoia , just skimming but I came across a few on Piston Slap issues with their V8 , and major A/C problems ... I have owned 1st & 2nd generation 4runners, trucks, loved them , 2 camrys wonderful , taurus crap ,saturn crap, and a dodge ram 4x4 loved it . I have a family of four ,a 21ft fishing boat and I'm 6'2" ...Toyota is too small and too expensive. I know several GM owners who have had very few problems with their silverados and suburban . This piston slap thing is new to me , I'm planning on buying used in november (2000 model). I'm with you on the toyota dependability/warranty thing , but I think I need bigger and cheaper . UNLESS I can get a 2001 Sequoia for around 26K ??? Set me straight !
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